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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3525 on: February 09, 2017, 10:38:03 pm »
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will be doing a variety of exercises whenever i feel like it, without worrying about not wrecking my muscles for a scheduled lifting session. to a point anyway. like it makes no sense to avoid doing pushups or jump rope cos you have to squat or bench that day or the following day or what have you, it's just a recipe for mediocrity.

^^^ this. I'm beginning to think work capacity is king. Once you get over that initial adaptation period it will help you in the long run (that's what I keep telling myself anyway  :D)

for real. i walked up a staircase today that ive gone up hundreds of times (maybe less tho lol) for the first time in a while and i felt unusually strong and stable. cross training has it's benefits. the sprints, weighted ones, etc, bball on hard court, treadmill work, i think it's made my joints stiffer. dont feel as beat up after a game now either!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3526 on: February 09, 2017, 10:47:22 pm »
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BW: 77.75kg (PR; AM)

Finally broke 78 in the morning. But lets be clear, this is likely an artefact of low carbing not like i lost mad fat overnight. So my goal was to be 77.5kg by end of diet, which is today and tomorrow. I can realistically get there considering im still holding water etc. Whatever the scale reads tmr, that's what im going to try maintain off-diet. I think i can be a strong 77kg. And i should be a lean one at 77kg before I start gaining weight (down the line)
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3527 on: February 09, 2017, 11:18:44 pm »
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will be doing a variety of exercises whenever i feel like it, without worrying about not wrecking my muscles for a scheduled lifting session. to a point anyway. like it makes no sense to avoid doing pushups or jump rope cos you have to squat or bench that day or the following day or what have you, it's just a recipe for mediocrity.

^^^ this. I'm beginning to think work capacity is king. Once you get over that initial adaptation period it will help you in the long run (that's what I keep telling myself anyway  :D)

for real. i walked up a staircase today that ive gone up hundreds of times (maybe less tho lol) for the first time in a while and i felt unusually strong and stable. cross training has it's benefits. the sprints, weighted ones, etc, bball on hard court, treadmill work, i think it's made my joints stiffer. dont feel as beat up after a game now either!

right on.  :highfive:
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3528 on: February 17, 2017, 09:14:50 pm »
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Back after a week holiday in Singapore and Thailand. Was pretty cool if not exhausting. Haha. I actually got into the best shape of my life (category 2017) on Sunday morning. And then eventually holiday mood won out and i started eatingkeemore and more. All good. So gna try get back to where I was. I picked up a fitness band, cos i think those things really helped me achieve better results when i used them while cutting. In fact im using everything ive learnt to make this as successful as possible:

0. Fasting 18hrs a day
1. using EC stack
2. using low carb dieting
3. using activity monitoring (6-12k steps per day)
4. cardio 
5. and of course being super rigid and strict to my diet

so day 1/10, i weighed in at 81.0kg (!!). Don't have a bodyweight goal right now, it's too depressing to think of that haha. I just want to be leaner, stronger, faster, fitter. I am gonna focus on the goal of running 2km in 10mins on the treadmill first and foremost and once i have achieved that (with incline of 1 or 2), will put that on maintenance and bring up vo2max via sprint intervals and whatnot. in fact i will start sprints today and commiting to 1x a week. And loads of fasted walking. After 10 days, go to maintenance a while and then do another 10 day cycle. But that's it, 20 days of cutting and no more.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3529 on: February 18, 2017, 12:37:48 am »
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glad you got into the holiday mood because the food in singapore is UNREAL in my admittedly limited experience. did you go to one of the mall dim sum places?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3530 on: February 18, 2017, 01:39:47 am »
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glad you got into the holiday mood because the food in singapore is UNREAL in my admittedly limited experience. did you go to one of the mall dim sum places?

yeps! i ate so much hahah but also walked a ton so it evened out. didnt get real fat, i think that's the way to do it. bkk was also raell good for food, was there during valentines and it really was a special place .. they get it right without even trying. also, the hottest chicks there arent even. how does that work?
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Re: chasing athleticism (day #1/10) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3531 on: February 18, 2017, 07:15:45 am »
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BS 5x110(PR; paused), 0Fx127.5kg, 6x3x110(PR; paused, failed 1 rep tho when i hit the pins, will lower them from here on)
BP 4x83.5(LPR), 2x85(LPR)
Back Xtn 3x9x70(PR; 10kg vest+3x20kg)
Back Xtn 2x12x30(PR; 35 degree, 10kg vest + 20kg plate)
CND - 2km in 3 sets (so bad but i was spent from lifting)
Total jump rope for today ~250reps
Total activity: 12k units at 2125 (goal met)

BW: 81.0kg (LPR heaviest 2017)

Notes:
Suprisingly good squat day. I'll take it. I wanna master 110kg for volume paused before adding weight (prob go up to 120kg). Happy with training considering all ive had today is 2 shakes. Im doing a proper PSMF atm, not fkn around, just straight up keto with minimal fat (just fishoil).

re jump rope -- im going to try to measure this with my activity monitor cos counting reps messes up my performance loll. so if i take a reading before and after, that shud be a good way to measure how many units i did? thoughts? i dont have to be super accurate just a way to make sure im improving over time and doing a decent amount of work.

Cardio was shit ... but it's ok, i think i need a dedicated training day to get my goal of sub 5 min per km pace. which might be thursdays, im happy to just lift 2 days a week tbh, as long as they're quality sessions. will see.

bring on day 2, will try to get 6k units/day of fasted activity around EC doses for the next 2 days, "rest" days. no actual training tho. just keep the fat burning going..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3532 on: February 18, 2017, 10:20:49 am »
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«just straight up keto with minimal fat» lol that's one of the biggest contradictions in itself I've read on this forum so far.
A ketogenic diet is high in fat moderate in protein and very low carbs. 

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3533 on: February 18, 2017, 10:55:17 am »
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«just straight up keto with minimal fat» lol that's one of the biggest contradictions in itself I've read on this forum so far.
A ketogenic diet is high in fat moderate in protein and very low carbs.

psmf is zero carb, zero fat, high protein. kinda a keto diet on steroids, or a pure keto diet. i had rice and beans for dinner tho, wanted to recover from training today, carbs help. but tmr and monday, i'll go for psmf macros. tuesday, prob ckd macros, weds & thurs, psmf, and finally saturday's training session i think i may force a refeed cos i dont wanna have a bad workout. im still going to abstain from eggs for the whole 10 days though. the only fat im eating is in the fish caps and whatever is in extra lean meat & what i use to cook it.
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Re: chasing athleticism (day #2/10) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3534 on: February 18, 2017, 11:03:28 pm »
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BW: 79.7kg
Waking HR: 64
Activity: ~10,000

bball (shooting and pickup)

Down a kilo overnight. good thing tho is im a lot leaner this time around than when i cut to sub to 80kg last time. Hoping to get sub 78kg by day 10 but that might be too optimistic. Gna give it my best shot.

Wud do more fasted walking but it's hot here today (35C) and dont really feel like moving ha
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3535 on: February 18, 2017, 11:37:38 pm »
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Why mess around with psmf? It's a risky diet even for the short-term. Technically you're meant to meet with a GP every two months to monitor kidney health. This is straight from a 2014 review*:

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The PSMF is indicated only for adults with a body mass index (BMI) of at least 30 kg/m2 or a BMI of at least 27 kg/m2 and at least one comorbidity such as type 2 diabetes, hypertension, dyslipidemia, obstructive sleep apnea, osteoarthritis, or fatty liver.12

If you're 80kgs/193cm then you have an approximate BMI of 21, and yes, BMI is flawed, you're skinny fat and all that. It's still a huge gap from what's recommended. Have you ever tried just eating a standard diet for training athletes (1.3-1.7g protein/kg BW, ~50-65% carbs, ~10% fat etc., surplus vits/minerals from vegetables, fruit etc) and eating 200-500 calories under maintenance?

*http://www.mdedge.com/ccjm/article/96116/diabetes/protein-sparing-modified-fast-obese-patients-type-2-diabetes-what-expect
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3536 on: February 19, 2017, 04:40:31 am »
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There is nothing wrong with a standard moderate deficit diet but im sick of #forevercutting and want to get it out of the way asap. Did the slower approach since Nov anyways, not like i wasnt patient but im keen to stop cutting now. The PSMF generates big deficits and gives the most fat loss in the shortest amount of time, that's good enough for me, esp for 10 day cycle. Will do another 10 dayer later down the line when im good and ready and then no more, ever..

also think it works better somehow, teaches my body to utilise bodyfat stores more efficiently than plugging along at a moderate cal/carb diet. but a huge missing piece in all of this is how ive neglected cardio as a way to get leaner and stay lean. thats the key once im done with these 20 days. people just give all this bad info out by simplifying too much (cals in vs cals out, etc).  the point of cardio isnt the tiny amount of cals you burn during the exercise, nor is it about afterburn (which is also neglible) or whatever, it's about teaching your body to use bodyfat stores for energy -- which is what happens when you make cardio a regular feature of training. i caught on too late on to that :( but transforming your body into a machine for better utilising bodyfat for energy is what im hoping to achieve long term. i just want to do the hard work now in these 10 day super cuts via diet and then finish the job via training long term.
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Re: chasing athleticism (day #3/10) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3537 on: February 19, 2017, 09:51:53 pm »
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BW: 79.1kg
Waking HR: 63 (PR)
Activity: 6000 units

Down ~1kg overnight .. i love how rapidly this thing is working. Maybe i can get <78kg by day 10. Didn't  do zero carb last night, im still pretty fkn sore from saturday's training so i thought i should help recovery a bit and had rice and beans. Aiming for 1.5xbw in protein. 5 scoops of whey, 300mL lowfat milk and 1 cup rice & beans shud get me to ~120g.
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Re: chasing athleticism (day #4/10) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3538 on: February 20, 2017, 08:28:35 pm »
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BW: 78.4kg
Activity: 9300 at 2123
Waking HR: 59
Sleep:  1hr:14min deep sleep, 3hr:50min light sleep (feel like shit lol)
TM walking: 20 mins

Finally .. a training day. As of today I am a gym member for 7 days, will use the rower mainly but also perhaps db.

Training / Activity
C2 Rower 5mins / 730m (PR; new exercise)

OHP 5x5x52.5
DB OHP 6x20, 5x22.5, 4x22.5, 5x20
C2 row 5min / 800m (PR)

BS 3x110(p13)
Jump rope ~ 500 reps (PR)
TM run 0.8km @ 12.5km/hr(PR), 0.9km @ 11km/hr, 1.0km @10.5km/hr

Notes:
Mental fog is heavy but im keen to get thru today and punch in the clock. While running my heart rate went crazy, hovered over 160bmp and got up to a max of 214!! so idk, either im really unfit or theres measurement error or both.

Nutrition
After that shocking squat sesh, i decided to refeed. Total food intake for the day: ive had 6 scoops of whey, 45g of powerade powder, 300mL lowfat milk, 2 roti, cup (or more)  rice, cup (or more) red beans, 1 mcdonalds hamburger w/ extra patty. That's the lot. Shud get me nice and recovered by tmr.
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Re: chasing athleticism (day #4/10) -- yet another comeback
« Reply #3539 on: February 21, 2017, 06:08:57 pm »
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Mental fog is heavy but im keen to get thru today and punch in the clock. While running my heart rate went crazy, hovered over 160bmp and got up to a max of 214!! so idk, either im really unfit or theres measurement error or both.

Of course your HR would have nothing to do with the PSMF I guess  :ninja:

I don't want to sound like a prick and half the time I'm not sure I even know what I'm doing but seriously mate, you start a no carb/no fat diet, have a shitty workout and then go and smash some maccas to make yourself feel better. Because #recovery. Stop thinking in terms of 10 day cuts and mini cuts and mini bulks and whatever else. It's so frustrating to sit here and see you spin your wheels. You say you're unathletic/obese but I call bullshit. You've got great ability, dedication, super long arms and when you train and eat in a sane fashion you get great strength gains too. Fix your relationship with food first and everything else will take care of itself.

(yes I realise this is a case of pot/kettle given how I train but fuck me it's so frustrating to see someone else do it)
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