Author Topic: chasing athleticism (Read 1463176 times)

maxent · « **Reply #3330 on:** October 11, 2016, 10:09:37 pm »

Pretty sure the body wont waste nutrients like that! Any food energy source is good energy regardless of whether it's coming from amino acids or lipids, it will find a use for it. If my overall caloric intake is below maintenance, i'm not wasting anything on a cal deficit.

Tbh theres only 3 variables to manipulate, fat grams, protein grams and carb grams. im keeping fat low (~50g) so that leaves carbs and protein, i can manipulate carbs to facilitate protein sparing (more carbs you eat, better nitrogen balance etc) but protein needs go up cos a)training and b)protein requirements when on a deficit. Like i said, it's temporary, i can't stand eating roast chicken and normally dont bother with beef, so im not gna be able to maintain this forever even if i wanted to (and i dont).

maxent · « **Reply #3331 on:** October 11, 2016, 10:11:10 pm »

BW: 82.5kg

Feeling pretty sore. Hopefully i can get 6x2x140kg squats tmr and feel like this week wasnt a waste of training. Also have a 2nd game for this wk on thursday with my old team

maxent · « **Reply #3332 on:** October 12, 2016, 05:03:38 am »

a coupla thoughts

1. eat for the body you want, not the one you have

2. 110kg warmups now feel how 70kg warmups used to feel. or how 100kg warmups felt when i was a bigger and fatter and stronger me

i may bump my warmup slightly, maybe to 115kg once im using 140kg worksets, not now tho. i feel like that's the way forward. what i can normalise as a regular warmup that i do every squat session is prob an important part as any acute PRs one sets. Maybe more. I imagine that when im using 150-170kg worksets for volume then 140kg will feel the way 110kg feels now.

maxent · « **Reply #3333 on:** October 12, 2016, 05:09:35 am »

Eats (3/11)

1600 - 2 chicken breasts, shake, beef slider
2300 - 250g beef, 3 wholemeal bread, 1 cup rajma, shake

yikes, ive already had over 3L of fluid today and will prob reach 4L by end of day. Hot day and i insisted on wearing full body compression gear for recovery.

maxent · « **Reply #3334 on:** October 12, 2016, 11:13:07 pm »

BW: 82.5kg

backs a bit stiff, right vmo, left hamstring are sore. i took a hit to the hamstring in tuesdays game. what its worth, look leaner but scale hasnt registered yet, hopefully by end of week

BS 3x2x140
Push Press 6x70(PR), 7x70(PR)
Bball game

injury on the 62.5kg push press warmup .. neck/cervical spine area .. yikes. sad

eats 4/12
1330 - wholmeal bun, 165g beef, slice swiss cheese, shake
1530 - periworkout gatorade (30g)
2300 - burger as before, 4 chipolatas, shake
done

maxent · « **Reply #3335 on:** October 13, 2016, 05:55:02 am »

Starting ro recover frm sundays but not there yet :/ wtf is beastie boys? google play let me down today. usually the songs are at best inspirational but otherwise non offensive. Was stripping the bar when beastie boys came on and overwhelmed my senses with what i can only descibe as evil noise and milleseconds later, i cut my hand on the sharp edge of my plates tree. google play, we need to talk. thumbs down.

i looked it up and actually my previous PR is 4x2x140kg. I prob wud have got it today but id rather be recovered well for sunday than not, so deferred to recovery than forcing a meaningless PR

i thought it would be an easy game .. but we actually played a really good team. one of the guys ive seen play the top league finals at the other stadium .. i actually backed him down into the post and scored on him .. my only bucket but was kinda sweet cos he's bigger and stronger than me. tbh i think he was trying to play within himself cos he's too good for this comp and he cud get thrown out. I am really disappointed with myself, you always wanna play your best against good competition and i must confess iw as completely shithouse. spent as much time on the bnech as i cud but we were outsized and outplayed by a bigger more athletic team with chemistry. these are junk miles that i doint need, they dont help my athleticism or sports specific ability .. i wish i had passed on the season but we're here now.

T0ddday · « **Reply #3336 on:** October 13, 2016, 12:38:54 pm »

Quote from: maxent on October 12, 2016, 05:03:38 am

1. eat for the body you want, not the one you have

Dunno, if this is original given your propensity for unearthing amazing rants from the nethers of the internet without citation... But... It's pretty decent thinking, looks like your finally getting ahold of pretty sound diet principles!

If I may quote myself from an earlier response to your journal...

Quote

1) The "Rippetoe method". Eat everything. Squat. You will get huge, strong, and fat. You can lose the fat later. This method works. Really well. Surplus calories are better than steroids. It's great if you want to be a heavyweight lifter, hate being small, etc. Maybe useful for hardgainers starting out who just can't seem to get unstuck at a plateau. But personally I don't like it for athletes I don't like it for you...

2) The "maxent" method. Constantly try and lose weight. Make gains while cutting as a fat beginner. Become an intermediate athlete. Still make goals that involve new PRs at lower bodyweights. Totally possible. Not most efficient.

3) The middle ground. First get lean. Whatever, lean is for you. You wanna be sub 80kg, so you make a goal of hitting 77kg. Try to maintain your squat when you reach that goal. When you are lean and have achieved this... Stop thinking about your bodyweight AND start thinking about your diet! Is this hard? Yes. But it's a million times more efficient. You get to 77kg. You now eat a consistent diet (no binges!) that will allow you to get stronger. You fuel yourself at a level optimal for you. You tell yourself, I am going to eat at approximately maintenance level +5% and I am going to achieve a squat of 150kg in 12 weeks of this. I'm not going to binge at all. I'm also not going to look at the scale. Most importantly I'm not going to binge, see 82kg and then fast for two days to get back to 79 kilos. I'm eating might fuel level of optimum nutrition and getting stronger. Twelve weeks later you will squat 150kg. How much will you weight? Maybe 78kg? Maybe 79-82kg? Can't be sure, but you will weight the optimal amount for adding functional strength quickly...

Looking at your recent posts... I see your squat is climbing... And you have let your bodyweight slide up to 82-83kg... Looks like your doing method #3.

Nice job. Eating to allow yourself to build strength rather than eating to build strength (method #1) or starving yourself to constantly get leaner (method #2). Remember, only exceptions to this are someone who has been traveling and working but not training and let themselves go a bit (like myself) who should suffer through some method #2 or someone wants to get bigger at all costs and should use method #1 (ie a weight-class athlete like a boxer or lifter who wants to move up a class or a football player changing positions from linebacker to lineman or cornerback to strong safety who is willing to lose relative strength in favor of bulk and absolute strength)...

Since your a dunker/basketball player lets hope you never fall for the trap of method #1 and lets also hope you stay injury free, lean and diligent such that you don't have to do method #2 again! Lets keep seeing you moderately gain small amounts of bodyweight while getting WAY stronger... Just make sure to add some real measurables besides squat that you can push up during this time!

maxent · « **Reply #3337 on:** October 14, 2016, 12:15:18 am »

BW: 81.9kg (LPR!)

Aw yis .. skinfolds down, scale down .. i'll take it

Settings PRs and getting in shape at the same tyme.

Injury report: better than expected, i shud be ok in a coupla days i think. it's barely noticable now...

Quote from: T0ddday on October 13, 2016, 12:38:54 pm

Quote from: maxent on October 12, 2016, 05:03:38 am

1. eat for the body you want, not the one you have

Dunno, if this is original given your propensity for unearthing amazing rants from the nethers of the internet without citation... But... It's pretty decent thinking, looks like your finally getting ahold of pretty sound diet principles!

If I may quote myself from an earlier response to your journal...

Quote

1) The "Rippetoe method". Eat everything. Squat. You will get huge, strong, and fat. You can lose the fat later. This method works. Really well. Surplus calories are better than steroids. It's great if you want to be a heavyweight lifter, hate being small, etc. Maybe useful for hardgainers starting out who just can't seem to get unstuck at a plateau. But personally I don't like it for athletes I don't like it for you...

2) The "maxent" method. Constantly try and lose weight. Make gains while cutting as a fat beginner. Become an intermediate athlete. Still make goals that involve new PRs at lower bodyweights. Totally possible. Not most efficient.

3) The middle ground. First get lean. Whatever, lean is for you. You wanna be sub 80kg, so you make a goal of hitting 77kg. Try to maintain your squat when you reach that goal. When you are lean and have achieved this... Stop thinking about your bodyweight AND start thinking about your diet! Is this hard? Yes. But it's a million times more efficient. You get to 77kg. You now eat a consistent diet (no binges!) that will allow you to get stronger. You fuel yourself at a level optimal for you. You tell yourself, I am going to eat at approximately maintenance level +5% and I am going to achieve a squat of 150kg in 12 weeks of this. I'm not going to binge at all. I'm also not going to look at the scale. Most importantly I'm not going to binge, see 82kg and then fast for two days to get back to 79 kilos. I'm eating might fuel level of optimum nutrition and getting stronger. Twelve weeks later you will squat 150kg. How much will you weight? Maybe 78kg? Maybe 79-82kg? Can't be sure, but you will weight the optimal amount for adding functional strength quickly...

Looking at your recent posts... I see your squat is climbing... And you have let your bodyweight slide up to 82-83kg... Looks like your doing method #3.

Nice job. Eating to allow yourself to build strength rather than eating to build strength (method #1) or starving yourself to constantly get leaner (method #2). Remember, only exceptions to this are someone who has been traveling and working but not training and let themselves go a bit (like myself) who should suffer through some method #2 or someone wants to get bigger at all costs and should use method #1 (ie a weight-class athlete like a boxer or lifter who wants to move up a class or a football player changing positions from linebacker to lineman or cornerback to strong safety who is willing to lose relative strength in favor of bulk and absolute strength)...

Since your a dunker/basketball player lets hope you never fall for the trap of method #1 and lets also hope you stay injury free, lean and diligent such that you don't have to do method #2 again! Lets keep seeing you moderately gain small amounts of bodyweight while getting WAY stronger... Just make sure to add some real measurables besides squat that you can push up during this time!

yep doing method 3 is working really well. im hoping to get the lifting gains out of the way so i have an ENTIRE summer ahead to just work on peaking athleticism. I do not want to be cutting and trying to push up my lifts during the summer AND playing bball .. it's too much and i end up being a master of none. Right now im sacrificing game performance for gym gains but once ive fnished up with repping 150kg for sets of 5-6 reps i'll put it on maintenance and focus on other areas, including skills but esp the other things you've advised to focus (throws, agility/quickness drills, bounds, sprints, ...) for athleticism specifically. exciting times ahead

maxent · « **Reply #3338 on:** October 16, 2016, 03:54:16 am »

Can't recover for shit without eating more food. Wanted a begrudging 6x6x130kg, failed the first set on rep 6. At bw of 81.8kg for what it's worth, im sad now. guess recovery hasnt happened yet

maxent · « **Reply #3339 on:** October 17, 2016, 12:43:30 am »

BW: 82.2kg

ate a ton yesterday, including a 2L tub of icecream! So all things considered, its fine. getting impatient tho. overreached and recovery hasnt occured

AGC · « **Reply #3340 on:** October 17, 2016, 02:20:54 am »

Quote from: maxent on October 17, 2016, 12:43:30 am

BW: 82.2kg

ate a ton yesterday, including a 2L tub of icecream! So all things considered, its fine. getting impatient tho. overreached and recovery hasnt occured

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maxent · « **Reply #3341 on:** October 17, 2016, 03:14:25 am »

macros for the icecream: 1611cals, 43g pro, 43g fat, 270g carb

i cud easily eat more tbh .. icecream is sooo good

Coges · « **Reply #3342 on:** October 17, 2016, 07:56:03 am »

Kingfish · « **Reply #3343 on:** October 17, 2016, 10:29:23 am »

you are under a lot of stress to be craving so much carbs. take it easy before you bloat up, get heavy and lift weaker. then you go mental.

maxent · « **Reply #3344 on:** October 18, 2016, 04:46:54 am »

BS 3x2x140, 4x1x140
BP 3x90

BW: 82.1kg / 181lb

Notes:
That's double digit volume with 140kg . a PR .. yay. But it took me 7 sets and 4 singles to do it which is nothing to celebrate. Progress is progress tho. That last single felt decent, not defeating but i felt stronger after, so im on the right track, just have to keep chipping away and give my body a chance to adapt to this 'heavier' weight. I will eventually use the same 140kg for sets of 5-6 reps but right now even getting 4 doubles is an unmet challenge...

Game tonight, im going to try to spend as much time on the bench as possible. last wk i did too much and it cost me squat progress, not repeating that blunder.

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