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Can i just disagree that im a weirdo though but nice post vag 

(also if you suggest an idea to me and i say 'that soudns cool, i'll try it' chances are i'll never get aroudn to it .. haha.)

why not just use a type of paint that can be rubbed off, paint the rim with it or with any sort of ink or coloured liquid and then measure to see how much above the wrist the rim touched. 

You win the prize for most complicated solution to the simplest problem. 

I still maintain that Maxents strange whining and humble bragging about how he can't measure his vert cause he is just soooo damn high is not something we can solve by giving him tools... I think he secretly doesn't want to...

He's been given a billion solutions, wrist, backboard, using his head, recording with his phone and using physics - goddamn his name was entropy 5*(fall time)**2 is a pretty simple way to know your jump height in meters!!

The Kebeya video I posted is literally the highest two footed jumper I have ever witnessed in person.  Higher than anyone by far.  When I'm jumping well I'm in the air for an extra beat - this guy is in the air for an extra two beats... truly nuts.  He measures using his head and the backboard...

As far as vags point... Two things.   Thanks for admitting that just cause you aren't good at something that doesn't make it unathletic... second... interesting that you can't get up on the backboard, I think it's cause u use your left hand...  What I have noticed is this:

1) If I want to be as generous as possible to myself when measuring my two footed running vertical I need to jump on hardwood, w a vertec, LR plant, and left handed touch.  I can get up far far higher like this...

2) However, this is rarely available.  So I can do an alternative.

1) I can jump for the square.  If you notice the video acole posted of me, I do a left handed square touch and a right handed, the left handed is significantly shorter.  That's because when you do LRL you touch w your hand "behind your body" which makes the contact of the backboard a really hindrance ok your jump.  When you jump LRR you touch with your hand reaching up in front of your body and are barely affected. 

But I just said my best jump is LRL but I have to do square jumps LRR.  Ok, so you got me I guess I can't truly do a ME jump for the square... but who cares.  It's about testibility.  The square is 11'4-11'6.  My reach is 7'9.   If I really need to satisfy my ego I can post "hey guys, touched the bottom of the square today which is 44.5 inch jump (43" + 1.5 inch bonus because it's non optimal and I could have touched on object that high w a LRL jump)...

2) Additionally I can measure my vertical w my head.  I bang my head against the backboard.  I have never hit my head on the rim.  I have grazed my hair on it when my fro was pretty big and have seen it on tape.  I know that if I legit hit my head on rim it's 49 inch jump cause I'm just under 6' in shoes.  If I increase my vertical and am fearful of the rim I can always put a foam roller on top and hit that... I tried it but I was a legit 4-5 inches away as it sits on top of the rim and so it was too hard of a target for me to aim for at my jumping level... I would have to improve to even go for it as. Target...

Is head touching optimal?  Not at all.  I have a 7'8.5 reach... if I cheat like people do on a combine it's 7'7.  If I go fairly it's closer to 7'9.  If I truly dislocate my shoulder to stretch as hard as possible with momentum and swing (like I do in the air) it's probably more like 7'11...  I can't really do this with my head... so, again I could give myself a bonus inch or two for any object I touch w my head but that isn't really necessary because the bottom line is:

All you need is measurability!!! IMO the most impressive gains on the board belong to KF and LBSS.  Two dudes who do not fuck around when it comes to measurability.

KF doesn't even mess around with anything but standing vertical jumps cause there is too much variation and risk. Sure he dunks but only cause he thinks it looks cool.  He makes no claims from dunks but just does standing vertical jumps to a vertec on hardwood and posts clear video.  He doesn't say "hey guys how high did I get up?  He says that's a 38" inch jump.  He gets feedback for how big he jumps in repeatable testable way.

LBSS posts look like: 15 ME jumps, best 37", worst 32, mean 35, variance 3", coefficient of variation of 0.2, Cauchy distributed, moment generating function estimates gamma.

This is good data!  LBSS can take this data and know when he jumps well, poorly, etc. 

This is the sad thing about maxent being afraid to test his vertical... in the end all the excuses hold him back.   This is a jumping board, not a squatting board.  Jumping workout data would allow him to train 100x better even if it's just off by a consistent two inches cause he is doing an absolutely unathletic maneuver like touching the square!

why not just use a type of paint that can be rubbed off, paint the rim with it or with any sort of ink or coloured liquid and then measure to see how much above the wrist the rim touched. 

lmfa0o@#@!

Quote from: seifullaah73 on September 22, 2016, 04:18:15 am

why not just use a type of paint that can be rubbed off, paint the rim with it or with any sort of ink or coloured liquid and then measure to see how much above the wrist the rim touched. 

You win the prize for most complicated solution to the simplest problem. 

I still maintain that Maxents strange whining and humble bragging about how he can't measure his vert cause he is just soooo damn high is not something we can solve by giving him tools... I think he secretly doesn't want to...

He's been given a billion solutions, wrist, backboard, using his head, recording with his phone and using physics - goddamn his name was entropy 5*(fall time)**2 is a pretty simple way to know your jump height in meters!!

The Kebeya video I posted is literally the highest two footed jumper I have ever witnessed in person.  Higher than anyone by far.  When I'm jumping well I'm in the air for an extra beat - this guy is in the air for an extra two beats... truly nuts.  He measures using his head and the backboard...

As far as vags point... Two things.   Thanks for admitting that just cause you aren't good at something that doesn't make it unathletic... second... interesting that you can't get up on the backboard, I think it's cause u use your left hand...  What I have noticed is this:

1) If I want to be as generous as possible to myself when measuring my two footed running vertical I need to jump on hardwood, w a vertec, LR plant, and left handed touch.  I can get up far far higher like this...

2) However, this is rarely available.  So I can do an alternative.

1) I can jump for the square.  If you notice the video acole posted of me, I do a left handed square touch and a right handed, the left handed is significantly shorter.  That's because when you do LRL you touch w your hand "behind your body" which makes the contact of the backboard a really hindrance ok your jump.  When you jump LRR you touch with your hand reaching up in front of your body and are barely affected. 

But I just said my best jump is LRL but I have to do square jumps LRR.  Ok, so you got me I guess I can't truly do a ME jump for the square... but who cares.  It's about testibility.  The square is 11'4-11'6.  My reach is 7'9.   If I really need to satisfy my ego I can post "hey guys, touched the bottom of the square today which is 44.5 inch jump (43" + 1.5 inch bonus because it's non optimal and I could have touched on object that high w a LRL jump)...

2) Additionally I can measure my vertical w my head.  I bang my head against the backboard.  I have never hit my head on the rim.  I have grazed my hair on it when my fro was pretty big and have seen it on tape.  I know that if I legit hit my head on rim it's 49 inch jump cause I'm just under 6' in shoes.  If I increase my vertical and am fearful of the rim I can always put a foam roller on top and hit that... I tried it but I was a legit 4-5 inches away as it sits on top of the rim and so it was too hard of a target for me to aim for at my jumping level... I would have to improve to even go for it as. Target...

Is head touching optimal?  Not at all.  I have a 7'8.5 reach... if I cheat like people do on a combine it's 7'7.  If I go fairly it's closer to 7'9.  If I truly dislocate my shoulder to stretch as hard as possible with momentum and swing (like I do in the air) it's probably more like 7'11...  I can't really do this with my head... so, again I could give myself a bonus inch or two for any object I touch w my head but that isn't really necessary because the bottom line is:

All you need is measurability!!! IMO the most impressive gains on the board belong to KF and LBSS.  Two dudes who do not fuck around when it comes to measurability.

KF doesn't even mess around with anything but standing vertical jumps cause there is too much variation and risk. Sure he dunks but only cause he thinks it looks cool.  He makes no claims from dunks but just does standing vertical jumps to a vertec on hardwood and posts clear video.  He doesn't say "hey guys how high did I get up?  He says that's a 38" inch jump.  He gets feedback for how big he jumps in repeatable testable way.

LBSS posts look like: 15 ME jumps, best 37", worst 32, mean 35, variance 3", coefficient of variation of 0.2, Cauchy distributed, moment generating function estimates gamma.

This is good data!  LBSS can take this data and know when he jumps well, poorly, etc. 

This is the sad thing about maxent being afraid to test his vertical... in the end all the excuses hold him back.   This is a jumping board, not a squatting board.  Jumping workout data would allow him to train 100x better even if it's just off by a consistent two inches cause he is doing an absolutely unathletic maneuver like touching the square!

lmfao!@$)(!@)$!@)(

also, Kebaya has probably shown us the best use for a foam roller so far.. absolutely ridiculous. The first jump in that video you linked, side angle, is absolutely incredible.. he is getting up ridiculously high. 

Am i taking crazy pills or is the idea of smashing ones head against anything (be it backboaerd or rim or the roof of a 20ft building) not at all enticing?!

it's scary at first but once you do it, it's actually kind of fun.. it's not like you'd be hitting it that hard, especially if it's some variation of a 10' backboard. I actually hit my head on a few signs at a shopping mall, that was less fun, but still fun.

fwiw, here's a few backboard jumps I did:





i remember the first time i hit my head on that first backboard (which is a much lower pad/backboard, goes down further). It really took me quite a few attempts because I was somewhat scared to hit it, then when I finally hit it, was not very eventful. Didn't hurt at all, the pad is thick and when you're hitting something so near you're peak, the physics of it doesn't make it too intense (i don't think).

I was never able to hit the second backboard (second pic). I should have tried more, I would have liked that footage/pic.

I also created a head-height vertec at some point which was pretty fun.. I was just trying to hit some copper stick which didn't scare me at all. I used that in my backyard for a while.

I definitely prefer wrist height touches though.. if hitting your head on something is kind of scary, there's some inhibition you have to fight through.. There should be no inhibition on a wrist/hand height jump though, and it's pretty accurate - ESPECIALLY if you are recording.. there's obviously +- 2" of error or so, depending on where you jump, if your arm is angled etc.. but you can get a very good estimate using this measurement, that's what i'd go with.

And to what T0ddday said about holding yourself back ... it's definitely a legit concept. For myself, I hold myself back by not testing certain running distances 100% etc.. Once I start thinking about it, I can psyche myself out and all of that weird mental crap. It's pretty similar to not testing vert. As athletes we need to crush that shit.

pc!

I guess i'm just not wired that way, i have done my fair share of ceiling  head jump touches ..which is softer.  but a backboard seems too solid a target to aim for.. we're not goign to agree bout this haha. i hurt my cervical spine last year and it sucked. i dont want to bother it again ever, esp with a meaningless vertical test.

last night i did go to the court to do some dunks and i noticed on the side beam supporting the hoop/backboard  complex, i cud mark out a milestone that corresponds to 36" and 40" respectively and try to touch it. however, i have no idea how i wud go about measuring it. tape seems too unreliable unless i use string with a weight suspended at the bottom. will look into it .. maybe the best alternative yet. i cud mark out 28"-32"-36"-40" milestones along the beam, it's slanted so it can be done.

i just wanted to report that i did 2 dunks and on the 3rd my ankle noped out and i couldnt jump anymore. sad. may need to fix it up before resuming jumping proper.

BS 6x5x127.5 (PR)
OHP 6x4x60(LPR)
WCU 5x5x99.3(PR; 84.3kg+15kg)

BW: 80.8kg / 178.1lb

Notes:
Yup thats a lifetime PR at 127.5kg. I've done 5x5x127.5kg before (with old bar so slightly under that load irl) when i weighed around 92-95kg at the time and im not 100% (tried to look it up in the logs) but i may have used a (velcro) belt for some of those latter sets. Anyway, i smashed it by doing 1 more set, all rawdog. So i can start to write PR instead of LPR now. Fuck ya. vids up on my insta if you're interested.

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just wanna give a shoutout to Leonel .. there was a moment when the 6x110kg warmup felt heavy/hard that i may have wussed out but i remembered i had some ppl to prove wrong! I havent decided what my worksets will be next saturday, either go for 5x5x130kg or 5x5x132.5kg depending on how ambitious i am. I know i need to be at 5x5x150kg @80kg eventually, so there's no point dwelling instead of making progress towards that milestone. It's 2 cycles away btw, 6x6x132.5 <-> 5x5x140 and 6x6x142.5 <-> 5x5x150. I'm almost ready to start the 6x6x132.5kg cycle.

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Confession: I havent sprinted in forever. I must admit that it's prob the only thing which i noticed carry over to my basketball ability. I felt i cud accelerate and drive so much quicker when i was sprinting regularly. It must be a staple of my training. However. Bad weather and daunting workouts has meant it has fallen by the wayside. In future i think i need to dedicate an entire block to sprinting. And an entire block to conditioning. My conditioning is probably the weakest part of my organism right now and (probably forever). Lifting might hellp me jump but it does almost nothing for my edurance and conditioning which is super important for the stupid aerobic sport of mine.

I'm impressed. Strong work. 

Real talk, i tested my vert against the rim before the game and cud only manage just under the wrist which is what 29"? something like that iirc, but i think i did svj on that jump, maybe im misremebmering, it cant be more than a drop step anyways. later i was able to jump higher, i think, maybe, given i was doing svj dunks, or maybe not, maybe im just super efficient at svj dunk lolz. anyway fk it. my legs are torched after that game, did a lot of running, im treating bball game as a conditioning workout so it's not a complete waste of my time. trnya be the first one to sprint back on d, etc. fk evertything bout this game tho. it's a ms game, and with my level of accumulated fatiue and lack of efficiency / athleticism im pretty mediocre to say the least at hte game of tbasketball. dont care, dont care, not even bothered.

feel fat, unathletic and useless. need to start sprinting again. at least i have an excuse, weather is complete shit