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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3060 on: July 17, 2016, 12:57:04 am »
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went up a bit, binged this weekend .. but i shud be good for a good 12 week run now, all i have going on is writing code, lifting weights and  balling. No mo emo.  Lets go.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3061 on: July 17, 2016, 06:15:16 am »
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Well fuck. skipped lifting this weekend and after resting yesterday and eating loads, i went to ball today. And beasted. I had more dunk attempts in the pickup games i played today than game dunks tries my whole life combined before that. I missed some good dunks .. holy shit one was on a big guy and i almost dunked on him!!!! my wrist was in the rim and somehow the ball didnt go in but i almost dunked on someone!!!! then i landed my first one and it was so defiant .. everyone decided it was time to end the game, they said dont know what the score is but that's enough lol. The whole situation was so organic and natural .. everyone nodded in acceptance.

i realised what was different about the make from the misses.. in game time dunk situations you're trying to rush the dunk .. which is understandable .. however it's a FUCKING DUNK .. you have to allow yourself to reach peak height .. and trying to rush thru the move will result in misses... so paradoxically the secret to dunking in games .. for me at least .. is to take it slow ONCE IM IN THE AIR. but of course into the move you wanna do it as fast as possible. Im prob gonna get more dunk attempts in games now..

btw the only reason i was so fresh was rest and eatin .. so ya .. if i priotise basketball good things do happen .. not just a theory it's tested true. i think i had a total of 6 dunk attempts in game which is a workout in itself
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3062 on: July 17, 2016, 06:28:28 am »
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Forgot to mention when i was dunking between games i got up .. got a really sweet tomahawk felt so good ... wish i had it on video but also i dont care, prob wasnt as good as it felt lol
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3063 on: July 17, 2016, 07:42:22 pm »
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Great stuff. Good to see you getting some validation from your efforts.

Also, nice on the in game dunk too. Must have felt unbelievable.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3064 on: July 17, 2016, 10:35:59 pm »
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Quote from: Coges on July 17, 2016, 07:42:22 pm
Great stuff. Good to see you getting some validation from your efforts.

Also, nice on the in game dunk too. Must have felt unbelievable.

I dunked with both hands and pulled myself up to make the moment last longer. Felt amazing.  I think now i figured out the reasons for the misses, i will get more makes next time. More attempts too, when om fresher im quicker, enough to setup for dunks. So exciting.  Longer post incoming when i find a keyboard.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3065 on: July 17, 2016, 10:57:17 pm »
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Everyyy single game dunk ive ever attempted (i mean competitive games) and theres only been a few 3 or 4 attempts total, i got rim checked hard AF. it never made sense why i cud dunk 100% and easily in practice or in rest times in games -- but i was missing dunks during games. WHy?? you'd think with teh adrelenenin i'd fly even higher etc. But like ive realised, it's cos im rushing the dunk once im in the air, i wasnt waiting to reach the apex of the leap before throwing down! it makes so much sense now but it never occured to me previously..

yes yesterday i got loads of attempts but it's pickup .. where the defense is much easier .. but that's ok, if im dunking easily in pickup games i can transfer that to one or two makes in teh right situation during competitive games.

and who cares about dunks in games? i do! it's like that saying where something doesnt matter unless you're not getting any then it's everything. when you've never got your first dunk then getting a dunk is everything. that might be your first dunk ever in the case of acole or lbbs or my first game dunk ever .. it's the same thing practically cos you've never done it and you know what it means to finally bridge the chasm ..

part 2 is where i describe what went right in terms of training and mindset to precicipate this progress
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3066 on: July 17, 2016, 11:06:47 pm »
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recap of my current state. im not the leanest ive ever been (im practically obese). im not the strongest ive ever been (ive been weaker only when i weighed under 75kg and im at ~80kg right now. reminder im 6'3" barefoot...). im not the fittest ive ever been (was losing my breath in 1/4 court pickup games ffs). im not as balanced ive ever been, between running and jumping, not sprinting regularly (prob 3 weeks since i last sprinted) or dunking regularly (movement eff) or lifting regularly.. only just got my first legit tomahawk yesterday. in terms of lifetime peakineess this is pretty average. im also the oldest ive ever been. mental state isn't great either .. mood below average..

but yesterday i nevertheless made some decent PR level progress. and the only thing i can think of is that i layed off the squatting. only lifted once last wk, and it was tuesday. only balled once and it was thursday. rested friday and saturday and balled sunday. saturday was a shocking day in life terms .. so all things considering.. it was amazing that sunday i balled so well

from here on im thinking 3 days of HARD HIGH QUALITY sessions per week is the way to go. no more stupid submax shit in a fatigued state, it has to be quality .. not worth doing unless im kicking ass. this goes for basketball, sprinting, bounds, squatting, dunking whatever.

tues: lifting
thurs: bball skill workout OR if feel 100% fresh --  dunking workout / conditioning /play a competitive game
saturday: lift OR /
sunday: pickup bball (if i feel fresh from resting saturday)

and that's it, no more no less. but i gotta make sure i go haard TUES .. get squat or bench PRs, get some quality food in, grow some muscle, lose some fat. rest is important so i can keep performing at a high level when im not resting. and keep recomping. 77.5kg but with more muscle is a good measurable goal.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3067 on: July 18, 2016, 12:13:30 am »
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It's funny when you talk about a dunking mindset. I've never thought about dunking during a game except on the fast break or from a tip in (my only in game dunk ever). This changed for me last week as I felt super energetic during the game but I know it will take while to actually attempt in traffic dunks. I like your mindset though on not rushing though. Also, it probably clicks and you get the feeling once you actually do it for the first time.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3068 on: July 18, 2016, 12:24:03 am »
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Quote from: maxent on July 17, 2016, 10:57:17 pm
and who cares about dunks in games? i do! it's like that saying where something doesnt matter unless you're not getting any then it's everything. when you've never got your first dunk then getting a dunk is everything. that might be your first dunk ever in the case of acole or lbbs or my first game dunk ever .. it's the same thing practically cos you've never done it and you know what it means to finally bridge the chasm ..

Thank you for thinking of the shorter guys! I for one appreciate it.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3069 on: July 18, 2016, 08:19:47 am »
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Yep! you got it coges, it's all in the mind, if you think you have enough time you can make it work, overthinking or mentally defeating before even trying is how you never dunk in trafffic. Speaking of, i know you need a good pass and a decent cut and window to make it happen but i do think if you put yourself in situations where it can happen, that it can be a reality. So today i had a game, i wont go into it too much but in the last few seconds of the game, big guy on my team was on a fast break, defender on him,1v1, he goes for a layup or dunk (i cant remember) and he misses, the defender getrs the rebound, game over. Motherfucker i was right there behind him, all he had to do was do the typical pass to the trailing player and i wud have thrown that down hard ... i prob even take on the defender and dunk on him cos he had his back to me .. and he was under the rim, omg .. i said to him bro i was right htere, and he said usually no one follows me on a fasta break .. so he didn't bother looking .. whatever, gutted i missed a chance to get my first game time dunk.

i got a nice alley oop and a pinpoint no llook pass into a player right under the rim, it was beautiful .. even the other team were in awe.. i played well. not many minutes but im happy for a day i didnt wanna ball at all
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3070 on: July 18, 2016, 05:09:29 pm »
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Quote from: acole14 on July 18, 2016, 12:24:03 am
and who cares about dunks in games? i do! it's like that saying where something doesnt matter unless you're not getting any then it's everything. when you've never got your first dunk then getting a dunk is everything. that might be your first dunk ever in the case of acole or lbbs or my first game dunk ever .. it's the same thing practically cos you've never done it and you know what it means to finally bridge the chasm ..

Quote from: maxent on July 17, 2016, 10:57:17 pm
Thank you for thinking of the shorter guys! I for one appreciate it.

Agreed...  It's also height and competition dependent...  I'm not trying to look down on entropy... But at his height (6'3'' - 6'4'') in most of the circles I play in it's more of an embarrassment not to be able to dunk than it is to be a badge of honor to be able to dunk.  It's sort of like a question someone will ask a guy of that height (can you dunk?) and if the answer isn't yes it's a shameful sign of being a poor athlete...  The 6'3 guy throwing self lobs between every game of pickup to barely throw one down is not well liked where I play...

However... most of those 6'3'' guys who "can dunk" don't actually get dunks in games.  IMO at that height if you want to do something impressive you can either become a show-dunker (BTL, 360's, etc) OR actually throw down in games.  When a player of any height gets a nice in game dunk you have to take your hat off to them...  Show dunking is cool but it's not gonna make you a better player - so adding in game dunking to your resume is a must! 

I'm just under 6' so at lower levels people are impressed by my ability to dunk and ask me to dunk outside of game situations and on a good day I can throw down a windmill or 180 but it's nothing like dunking in traffic in a game...  At higher levels most everyone approaching 6ft can do something resembling a dunk but few actually dunk in games...   I can't down non-in-game dunks because TBH I'm simply not that good at them and I'm sure if I could do BTL dunks I would do them all the time... But my athleticism and strength is to the point where I far more enjoy my ability to dunk in a game than try and do some dunk I miss 4 out of 5 times over and over again - since I dunk with just 1 step I can do things a lot more impressive in a game than not in a game...



Quote from: maxent on July 18, 2016, 08:19:47 am
Yep! you got it coges, it's all in the mind, if you think you have enough time you can make it work, overthinking or mentally defeating before even trying is how you never dunk in trafffic. Speaking of, i know you need a good pass and a decent cut and window to make it happen but i do think if you put yourself in situations where it can happen, that it can be a reality.

This is one of my favorite things about dunking...  If you get good enough dunking without speed you can actually use it to become a better player.. When I was very first able to dunk it was all I wanted to do and it made me much worse at basketball...  I could barely dunk off one foot and I neglected practicing my game and instead just wanted to dunk...  When I would play I would try to dunk in games but I needed such a far run up that my only chance was a extreme fast break and I would cherry pick to try to get the chance and usually miss the dunk...

However, if you can dunk off two feet with just a few steps and try and get in game dunks you realize how much easier it is to get dunks off the cut... The first dunk I got on somebody was where a player drove left around the elbow and I circled around him and he dropped it off behind him to me as I cut to the hoop and and rose up and dunked on the help...  Realizing that this was basically the way to get dunks made me start moving without the ball and stop playing as much one-on-one type ball in games... Dunking has both ruined my ability and revitalized my ability to play basketball..

Really all dunking is cool... I'm biased partially cause i am so terrible at throwing self-lobs (thinking of paying Andrew to fly out and give me a lob clinic lol) but for now I really favor the in game dunk...
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3071 on: July 18, 2016, 11:17:36 pm »
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Holy shit i'm so tired of telling people 'wait til i get in shape' and giving tenous ETAs '12 more weeks'. I want it NOW! Yes i'll jump higher, move quicker, last longer at full tilt and ball harder, it will happen, im just getting impatient now lol. I forgot to mention yesterday i got complimented for my effort to get open and cut for some easy baskets. I think the guards appreciate it when their forwards give a fuck and dont just camp at and wave for the ball at the elbow. It's more exciting when you're being proactive about things ... i love it. THe scary thing is im getting so good at finishing now even with contact, i still score, i know the fouls rarely get called when you're perceived to be a 'big' (nevermind im lighter than average on the court lol) but ive taken it on myself to finish even if somoene swipes hard at me.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3072 on: July 19, 2016, 07:18:34 pm »
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Quote from: maxent on July 18, 2016, 11:17:36 pm
i know the fouls rarely get called when you're perceived to be a 'big' (nevermind im lighter than average on the court lol) but ive taken it on myself to finish even if somoene swipes hard at me.

This is great. I've taken the stance that I'm almost playing schoolyard ball where no one calls any fouls and just focus on finishing regardless. That way if you get a call it's a bonus but you don't worry about trying to draw a foul and just make the play. 
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« Reply #3073 on: July 20, 2016, 05:14:58 am »
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BS 5x120(LPR), 1x127.5(LPR)
BP 6x70, 1x90(LPR), 1x80 (yikes), 8x60
CURL 5x50(LPR), 2x6x48.5(LPR)
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« Reply #3074 on: July 20, 2016, 09:23:34 am »
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so i dont know where that 120x5 LPR came from ... i found 70kg warmups felt heavy on my back cos it's been 10 days since i had a bar on my back. But i still forced an LPR even tho 110x6 was a ME effort as a warmup. FML. I wanted to triple 127.5kg, so you can imagine how that went..

anyway, big news, that kid i talked about .. ive got a basketball date with him tmr, we're shooting around. I dont know if will be 'fresh' enough but ive put down a double KFC burger with loads of chips, 2 drumsticks and im gonna have a shake too. will try get some dunks on tape ... shud be fun.
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