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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2790 on: April 22, 2016, 05:21:11 am »
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BS 2x6x125 (LPR), 3x2x130(LPR), 3x127.5(LPR)
BCR 20x110, 20x150

Broad jumps, 5kg medball throws
HPC 6x50 (LPR; new ex), 6x60, 3x70, 1x80(PR; first bodyweight HPC?), 3x72.5(LPR)
HIIT sprints 6x(19s on, 20s off)
TM run - 1km in 8 mins

BW: 175.71 (LPR; back under 80kg ... thankfully!)

Squat notes:
I would have to look it up (and i wont) but pretty sure that isn't just a local PR for 6 but a global one at sub 80kg bodyweight.

Bounds notes:
PR my frustration at this exercise. Sigh

Conditioning notes:
Ok you fat cunt, time to restart conditioning work. I forced myself to do some sprints .. and something has definitely changed .. i can't say what but my movement / fluidity or something else is not how it used to be. Interesting. I'm not saying it was carryover from doing broad jumps .. but it may be? Or it cud be the hamstring/glute mass i've added .. or the PC chain exercises i've been doing? Or all of the above? Something is definitely different. I havent done sprints in like 6-7 weeks, which is the tantalising thing. I wanna see this out.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2016, 11:45:19 am by maxent »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2791 on: April 22, 2016, 07:36:27 am »
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Yeah, I mean, back when I wasn't strength training at all and just tried to touch the net, and kept on trying it, one day I touched the rim. Then one day I could dunk a tenis ball. Then one day I could dunk a volleyball. Then one day I could dunk a basketball.

Insane! I was doing the same thing over and over, maximally. Steph Curry did a similar thing with his shooting. He couldn't nail all these three pointers and just gave up on them. No need to try them, he would get 1/20 when he first tried them. No need to practice that since getting 1/20 every day is the definition of insanity. That lead to his success in the NBA, that mindset of giving up on skill-based practice.

So I totally get what you're saying.

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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2792 on: April 22, 2016, 07:37:11 am »
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Give it a rest, compare apples and oranges and make another pointless analogy again, I dare you.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2793 on: April 22, 2016, 07:37:53 am »
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OK, I'll try to copy you. I give up.  Trying to convince you again and again is the definition of insanity.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2794 on: April 22, 2016, 08:01:29 am »
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Anyway enough about that. Moving on. With my new bar i can try PR my hang powercleans. I'll start tonight. At least that I know i can improve over time regularly .. haha. My PR was just under 90kg i think, i can get that up to 100kg in 8wks it will be a good start. Leggo.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2795 on: April 22, 2016, 08:06:08 am »
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Yeah, because in the bounds you were already at your genetic ceiling-level, and you couldn't have improved them anymore after doing them for 2 times. The situation is different for the power clean.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2796 on: April 22, 2016, 10:06:52 am »
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GOD you're frustrating.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2797 on: April 23, 2016, 01:56:57 am »
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Mate are you still after movement efficiency?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2798 on: April 23, 2016, 02:01:04 am »
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Mate are you still after movement efficiency?

I think iam more about movement inefficiency. Might just own it instead of fighting against my core traits? I wanna see how big and slow I can really be while still dunking on fools. I'm envisioning weighing 300lb in 12 months time, superbly inefficient but also benching bodyweight. What do you reckon? Do-able?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2799 on: April 23, 2016, 06:15:46 am »
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OHP 3x3x60
BP 2x1x90(LPR), 3x6x80(LPR)
WCU 3x103(+20kg, LPR), 3x98, 6x93, 6x88
LPD 3x8
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2800 on: April 23, 2016, 10:40:43 am »
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Mate are you still after movement efficiency?

I think iam more about movement inefficiency. Might just own it instead of fighting against my core traits? I wanna see how big and slow I can really be while still dunking on fools. I'm envisioning weighing 300lb in 12 months time, superbly inefficient but also benching bodyweight. What do you reckon? Do-able?

This log is the best soap opera going around.

If only you could step out of your own head and see what everyone else sees. Keep at it mate cause you'll get there.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2801 on: April 23, 2016, 10:56:09 am »
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I'm completely joking of course. I will keep the movement efficiency experiment on-going. I wrote in my log from yesterday's sprints that something had changed since I last sprinted (sometime mid March). So that's promising but also, it came out of the blue after I expressed my frustration from the bounds being super hard to improve and getting no sense of how on earth they could be improved either given i was pouring EVERYTHANG into every single attempt. Repeating them over and over and expecting them to change makes no sense. Raptor is stupid as usual, shooting 3s and doing a ME thing are completely different things.

Re movement efficiency (re)training,  will see where it goes, if anywhere in the longer term. It's kinda disappointing that there aren't more tangible gains from efficiency training yet but if this is the first sign of change, i'm pleased with the promise for now. It's *something* at least I can say this has come out of my recent training even though cause and effect is murky and it's hard to say which thing I did in training caused the changes i observed!

But having said that, my dunking / vertical hasn't gone anywhere good. Worse actually. It's kinda meh atm, I can blame that on squats though, have ramped them up lately so that might explain it. Who knows. It's all bad. I'm not worried about that cause my dunk will prob stay the same, more or less, but if i can move better i may get game time dunks later down the track. Yeah not much to bank on but it would be amazing. Watching the playoffs and it makes me wish I could do things like this:


https://streamable.com/32vz (hey adarqui can we get these embeddable?). YOutube

And ther was the play where harden gave Dwight an OOP that was just beautiful.. so much power. I never tried getting someone to OOP like this without an angle, but i'd love to now. it looks amazing. I dont know where in the hilights vid it is but if you find it please link it at the right time.

Full highlights:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m8X0juq6J4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m8X0juq6J4</a>
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2802 on: April 23, 2016, 11:13:17 am »
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Raptor is stupid as usual, shooting 3s and doing a ME thing are completely different things.

So shooting threes is not about strength and skill? Try to put an old woman or a kid to shoot from three point land with perfect form (let's assume they have perfect skill from 3-5 feet) and see what happens with their form without strength. Try to put a powerlifter shoot a three pointer - see what happens with all that strength expressed with a bad form.

To say that bounding is not about skill is ludicrous. But let's assume it's 100% about power, no skill involved whatsoever. Guess what? The same thing can be said about power cleans, squats and so on (of course all these are ALSO about skill, power cleans are a complex movement that you can do "many ways", but only the proper, optimal way will have a carry over to athleticism). Squats? The same thing - by the same token, you can do sissy squats and call them "squats" and say "it doesn't matter how I do them, they're squats, no skill involved". Or maybe you could goodmorning every squat and call them "squats". You don't need to practice proper-form squats anyway, right? Because squats are not about skill.

Same with med ball throws. You can throw the med ball using your arms and with the hips completely fixed, see how much that helps your jumping. Or are med balls also all about "power" and not at all about skill and proper movement mechanics?

Bounds are more specific to jumping than any of these shitty things that you do in the gym. Guess what? The more specific they are, the more helpful they are for someone like you, who has a hard time expressing his strength and power in bodyweight, specific movements targeted at jumping.

It's just useless trying to induce sense into you. In fact, I don't know why I'm bothering, especially after what you wrote in my log months ago. At that time I said if I had an option for an ignore button or something, I would've used it on you.

Now go get that power clean going. In 8 weeks of power cleaning you'll move much better and your bounds that you don't practice will obviously improve by themselves, because they don't depend on skill or actually practicing them at all.

PS. If in my completely retarded mental state of right now I make more sense than you, that should give you something to think about. I'm out, good luck (honest sentence, no sarcasm).
« Last Edit: April 23, 2016, 11:36:11 am by Raptor »
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2803 on: April 23, 2016, 11:17:46 am »
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I'm not reading all that raptor but you lost the right to have a credible opinion when you expressed that garbage earlier. Shooting 3s is a SKILL exercise which suits repetition and grooving. It's not a maximal effort it's decidedly submax. You can do thousands of them. You can't do that with an ME exercise -- MAXIMUM EFFORT, RPE 10 bounds for DISTANCE is not. They're completely different animals. And that's all im saying on that matter..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2804 on: April 23, 2016, 11:43:04 am »
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I don't see anybody with a gun at your head forcing you to make them all ME. Do them submaximally. Submax bounds focused on movement mechanics is a SKILL exercise which suits repetition and grooving. It's not a maximal effort it's decidedly submax. You can do thousands of them.

You practice them, get better at the SKILL of bounding, and you find out that covering the same distance takes less effort. Which means your movement efficiency improved and now, with the effort that you used the first time you did them, you can cover MORE distance and therefore you jump higher.

Why can't you see them as any other exercise? Why can't you just do a test, a maximal one, and say you get an average of 2.5 meters per bound, for 4 bounds. You put 4 cones at 2 meters and practice them for shorter distances, that will ensure fluidity in the movement using the correct mechanics, instead of crashing after each one (you don't do that anyway, I do that).

Then once per week or every two weeks you can try a ME set again, see where you're at.

Anyway, good luck.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps