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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2715 on: April 10, 2016, 08:01:11 am »
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I used my TENS unit around my left hip yeterday.. and the niggles ive felt all week have disappeared overnight. That's cool. I love this thing, acole you're the man for suggesting it! I use it on my lower back regularly and im good there too  :headbang:


Oh thanks mate! I forgotten I mentioned that to Raptor I think. It's not magic but I think the increased blood flow helps. There's all sorts of reps and schemes to use it but I just crank it to just below intolerable and go for 10-15mins.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2716 on: April 10, 2016, 08:50:02 am »
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BS 1x132.5, 4x120(LPR), 2x119.5
BBall shoot-around ~ 45 mins

RDL 8x70(warmup PR), 6x110(warmup PR), 6x150(warmup PR), 15x110(PR), 12x150(PR), 6x190(PR)
BHT 8x70(warmup PR), 8x110(warmup PR), 8x150(warmup PR), 8x192.5(PR), 6x212.5(PR), 7x202.5(PR)
OHP 3x6x60, 3x5x60
Chinup 10,7,7
BS 2x8x102.5

BW: 177

Notes:

ERECTORS were not recovered from last workouts squats. So i couldnt squat any PRs :( Or dunk for shit. But interestingly enough i was able to do ok on the PC exercises.. Which makes me think there is something special about squats coupling so strongly to my dunk performance .. when my squat is supressed .. so too is my dunking .. as i found out again today when i couldnt land anything that felt even passable after dunking as good as i ever have on weds. That makes 2 bad dunk sessions in a row (fri & sunday) .. if i wasn't obsessed with squats, i'd def be jettisoning them right now for killing my athleticism .. lol.

I think if the causality goes: sore erectors + dead quads ==> bad dunks;  This makes me think the reason backsquats help with my dunk is because they improve my strength in quads AND my erectors (which nothing else does by the way).  And maybe Lance was right after all --  weak quads are holding back my potential  as an athlete -- not as posited (lol) in my log that it's my lack of glute strength or hip dominance. Anyway im not changing anything but i do think there is a strong relationship between (my) quads and (my) dunks.

I'm really really tentative bout this .. but did a set of front squat with hte bar and got the first quad pump i have in ages. But i dont trust myself not to go full retard and start doing heavy front squats and fuck up my back which has been good for a while now. Sigh.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 12:22:36 pm by maxent »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2717 on: April 10, 2016, 12:31:15 pm »
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Here's my game plan for the coming week. Start cutting monday .. i've let myself go trying to build some muscle but it's time to get back on track on maintaining a stable and strong 77kg bw .. which means first cutting to around 75kg then letting carbs fill me up to 76-77kg. Maintain that and just get as strong af at that bodyweight. I want a double bw squat and nothing is served by getting too heavy when i haven't even attained a 1.9x ratio!

But cutting aside, i'm getting .. not bored .. but lack of excited from all the posterior chain work ive been doing. I wanna wrap up this PC experiment with RDLs and hip thrusts and get back to building up a decent squat (>150kg repeatable weekly, to start with). This will get my leg strength close to PR levels and then i can revisit other stuff (suggestions abound on making me a hip dominant athlete .. however i'm prob gonna do that as part of a later phase.. no point messing with it while my quads are so chronically weak atm from lack of squatting). I think maintaining a 200kg RDL topset and a 220kg hipthrust topset will be good once i've got there, it goes on cruise mode and i focus on squats (=quads & erectors).

And i will try to play a bball game once a week .. if i can manage it ... otherwise on weds i'll run game-time intensity drills or osmething.. to avoid stagnation and going backwards in sports specific fitness. This will give me room to add in the drills Todday suggested for movement efficiency. Not going to do sprinting now though .. wrecks squat workouts which i wont abide!




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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2718 on: April 10, 2016, 12:41:43 pm »
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For the one footed bounds start with front foot at take off line and back foot behind it, do not run in with speed but do not do a one footed take off either.  For sprint times take a video with any timing tool and film from 1st movement till chest past marker.  If you have FAT times you can subtract 0.2 and list those as well.  If you don't have any experience with it then try and and test yourself:

Standing Vertical Jump
Double-Leg Running Vertical Jump
Single-Leg Running Vertical Jump
Standing Broad Jump
Three Consecutive Broad Jumps
Five Single Leg Left Leg Bounds
Five Single Leg Right Leg Bounds
Five Alternating Leg Bounds
Forty Yard Dash
60 meter sprint
100 meter sprint
200 meter sprint
Flying 30 meter sprint
Full Back Squat
Parallel Back Squat
Barbell Bench Press
Standing Barbell Push Press
Barbell Deadlift
Strict Overhead Pullups till Failure
Pushups Completed in 30 seconds
Bodyweight Leg Raises till failure

Hey thanks for those suggestions. I will get on getting measurements on those and report back results when i have the chance.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2719 on: April 10, 2016, 02:54:49 pm »
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I used my TENS unit around my left hip yeterday.. and the niggles ive felt all week have disappeared overnight. That's cool. I love this thing, acole you're the man for suggesting it! I use it on my lower back regularly and im good there too  :headbang:


Oh thanks mate! I forgotten I mentioned that to Raptor I think. It's not magic but I think the increased blood flow helps. There's all sorts of reps and schemes to use it but I just crank it to just below intolerable and go for 10-15mins.

What? What's a "TENS" unit?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2720 on: April 10, 2016, 03:00:28 pm »
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I used my TENS unit around my left hip yeterday.. and the niggles ive felt all week have disappeared overnight. That's cool. I love this thing, acole you're the man for suggesting it! I use it on my lower back regularly and im good there too  :headbang:


Oh thanks mate! I forgotten I mentioned that to Raptor I think. It's not magic but I think the increased blood flow helps. There's all sorts of reps and schemes to use it but I just crank it to just below intolerable and go for 10-15mins.

What? What's a "TENS" unit?

google it dammit , it is 4 letters
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2721 on: April 10, 2016, 05:51:33 pm »
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your injuries are actually helped by TENS and not just in the sense of short term pain relief?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2722 on: April 10, 2016, 11:12:28 pm »
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I used my TENS unit around my left hip yeterday.. and the niggles ive felt all week have disappeared overnight. That's cool. I love this thing, acole you're the man for suggesting it! I use it on my lower back regularly and im good there too  :headbang:


Oh thanks mate! I forgotten I mentioned that to Raptor I think. It's not magic but I think the increased blood flow helps. There's all sorts of reps and schemes to use it but I just crank it to just below intolerable and go for 10-15mins.

I haven't experimented much with it, theres two different schemes on mine, on the TENS setting there are optioons for U and P and these days I just use U1 or U2. It randomised a bit but over time ive been increasing the current. Usually use it for 2x30min on my back. I haven't tried going for more intolerable and less time but that sounds interesting. Never use the "Sports" or "Massage" settings .. TENS seems to hit the spot and in particular U1.

your injuries are actually helped by TENS and not just in the sense of short term pain relief?

Not injuries but for example my lower back felt quite stiff one time, i started using the TENS and it felt better and eventually I stopped using it except as I needed it. I would use it on my calves.. too hairy tho .. but they get pretty beat up when training hard (jumping, running and lifting). I'd use it for a massage anytime i felt too sore or stiff .. not to fix an actual injury .. i dont know if i'd be brave enough to use it then!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2723 on: April 11, 2016, 02:52:59 am »
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Raptor i tried KB swings last night. I can't do them while maintaining a flat back :/  Prob have the same issue with medball throws too. Would be cool to do a hip hinge with a flat back .. i imagine learning how will help on the court too eg when playing defence or dipping into a plant to jump? Hmmm.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2724 on: April 11, 2016, 03:08:50 am »
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What do you mean "you can't do them while maintaining a flat back"? In what way? What's stopping you?

It sounds to me like you're the kind of guy that likes to use his back on hip-driven lifts, especially dynamically. I wonder how your hip thrusts really look like, there's a big change you're doing "back extensions" on them and not necessarily using the glutes right.

I also wonder how a deadlift looks like for you.

What weight did you use for the KB?
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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« Reply #2725 on: April 11, 2016, 03:21:40 am »
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Idk, i just naturally end up with a non-flat back whenever i do swings. Not sure why! I didn't note what weight i used just a light-to-medium one, didn't try a heavy one.

My glutes are actually sore today too .. so i did hit em pretty good yesterday.

Don't do deadlifts .. but my RDLs are hip hingy .. it's just swings and i guess maybe even my cleans might be the same way come to think of it .
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2726 on: April 11, 2016, 03:32:58 am »
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Yeah they look fine, however, I would emphasize the hip hyperextension part and pause in that hyperextended position for one or two seconds, with a lighter weight. You'd get a much better training effect.

Keep the dynamic movements using dynamic movements so to speak, so be explosive with KB swings and med ball tosses, not with hip thrusts. Do hip thrusts with the purpose of tension and great ROM and movement control/pace.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2727 on: April 12, 2016, 06:52:44 am »
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I wonder what would happen if you'd try to do this:

http://www.just-fly-sports.com/plyometric-exercise-of-the-week-2-depth-jump-viking-throw-for-all-in-one-power/

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzFK_C1-PhA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzFK_C1-PhA</a>
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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« Reply #2728 on: April 12, 2016, 07:07:48 am »
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^Looks legit. I dont know where I wud do it where I can do both depth jumps and medball throws behind, though. The gym roof isn't that high and at home i'd have to chuck it over the fence lol.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2729 on: April 12, 2016, 07:53:18 am »
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I think i figured out the secret to dieting .. it's to do the "perfect" diet day and then just repeat it over and over.



So that's the last i'll mention on that, will check back in 3 weeks time and update.
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