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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2475 on: January 22, 2016, 06:27:44 am »
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To be fair, my idea of wearing the vest wasn't to jump higher .. it was to maintain mass on my legs by tricking my body into thinking i wasn't getting lighter and it should still hold on to the muscle and strength. But im not sure how effective that will be. Would make a huge difference if i could cut say 5% of my bodyweight and maintain my leg mass .. cause calves get tiny in my cuts .. in the past.. even when i lift to maintain it
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« Reply #2476 on: January 22, 2016, 08:34:27 am »
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Training log:
BS 3x2x132.5, 4x1x132.5, 6x120 (LPR), 6x117.5 (LPR)
RDL 2x8x147.5 (PR)
OHP 6x58.5 (LPR), 5x58.5, 5x58.5, 4x68.5

BW: 175.93lb / 79.8kg

Squat notes:
I went to train at a nearby gym today.. thought the atmosphere might do me good to get some PRs when I prob would have failed warmups at home. But the falloff to the NY resolution crowd was palpable... so few ppl this friday compared to last week. But still, i got some inspiration anyways and managed some PRs. I failed the 4th double which would have given me an LPR.. but i did an extra single to make an LPR of 10 reps at 132.5kg. I kinda wanna blame the guy in the next rack who distracted me while i was in the set by fidgeting around on the side, but i guess im just not used to lifting with ppl moving around nearby. So progress all the same. Last friday i worked out after binging on pizza and icecream all week. This week i'm cutting hardcore.. so all things considered i did well.

RDL notes:
Freaking 60kg warmups were challengin, 100kg i had to slam back into the rack cause my grip was giving way lol. And i could only managed 2 reps with warmup at 140kg before my grip forced me to rack in a panicky fashion. Switched to hook grip for the worksets. Was not painful this week as last week was. Which is good. BUt these were harddddd as you can imagine. Done though.

Skipped the medball stuff. It seems fairly pointless while cutting to do too much shit. though i may do them when I feel like it, maybe tmr..

Food log:


Activity log:
Total steps: 13,255 /  10.18km
Fasted steps: 5000
Calories out: 2936
Calories in: 2679
Caloric balance:  -257

If i isn't clear, i did a carb refeed. Next time i'll do a better job, +30g protein and -60g carb should be better. Hopefully tomorrow i wake up feeling like a million dollars .. and get some supercompensation of strength/mass as well.. haha. Aaaaand that's 2 weeks of training done.. so far so good bring on week 3!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2477 on: January 23, 2016, 03:54:52 am »
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I'm giving myself 9 weeks for a serious transformation!

This is the macro plan in a nutshell:

Phase I: Day 1-10 - hardcore lowcarb IF diet + lots of fasted walking (5-10k a day)  -> goal of getting to <79kg asap
Phase II: Day 11- 31 -moderate IF diet + moderate carbs (100g/day) + moderate fasting walking (5k a day)  + cardio -> goal of getting to 77kg
Phase III: Day 32 - 63  - recomp IF diet + fasted stubborn fat protocol  -> goal of being a lean carbed up 77kg

After 9 weeks, im just gonna maintain for a while, at least 3 weeks. Then i'll do a SLOW bulk for the next 6 months and aim to end up a STRONG 82.5kg.

I've decided to keep up the weight vest regime, will make my effective training weight 90kg throughout phase I and II. For phase III i may let it slowly drift up towards 100kg though if it makes sense to and see if i can get some hypergravity effects for my vertical provided i've reached PR levels by  end of phase II, which may happen actually cause i'll be leaner and stronger and hopefully PR my vertical.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2478 on: January 23, 2016, 09:54:42 am »
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Food:


Activity:
Total Steps: 15,280
Fasted steps: 10,000
Calories In: 1503
Calories Out: 3011
Calories Net: -1508

Good day today .. 15k steps is a decent effort .. esp since i kept the weight vest on the whole day pretty much .. so my effective bw was 90kg. This is pretty familiar now.. im not finding it such a burden.. give it a coupla more days and i imagine it will become "normal" and unnoticeable! Looking forward to that..
 
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2479 on: January 23, 2016, 11:46:45 pm »
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BW: 174.61lb / 79.2kg

Added 2 weights to the vest, now using 19 total. That's 19x0.538 = +10.2kg. Effective weight is 90.4kg .. go figure..! Lucky I have this vest hey, otherwise after 9 weeks my legs would get super weak/small...

Not long now til im done with Phase I goal of getting <79kg. I still have 5 days left .. which means I can get closer towards the 77kg  goal of phase II. Sooner I get there better, cause then i can get my lifts going and recomp some muscle!

Food:

Fasted duration: 22.5hrs

Activity:
Total steps: 11,737
Fasted steps: 10,000
Calories out: 2747
Calories in: 1635
Calorie Balance: -1112

Smaller deficit, i went up in carbs cause i wanted to sleep tonight .. i havent slept well lately and hoping this gets me there..

« Last Edit: January 24, 2016, 11:25:57 am by maxent »
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« Reply #2480 on: January 25, 2016, 02:55:16 am »
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BW: 78.7kg / 173.5lb (LPR)

I reached the Phase I goal early! So that's a relief cause I'm ready to change up to a less severe regime!

Phase II:  I'm gonna switch out to a moderate diet. Moderate calories, moderate carbs, moderate activity but adding in cardio. The goal is to keep dieting down to 77kg / 169.5lb. I gave myself 21 days .. that's prob still pretty aggresive but we'll see how we go. The main thing i'm looking for is being able to train more or less normally .. and this depends on sleeping well.. with carbs and cals up, it should improve those aspects dramatically.

BS 6x100
BP 6x70, 10x60
WCU 8x80, 5x96
LPD 3x12x32.5
CROW 3x15x32.5
Cardio - 15min @ 9.6km/hr (LPR; new ex!; 2km in 12:35, 2.4km in 15)

Horrrrible workout...... my knees, lower back all didn't want anything to do with squats. Even bench, my R pec told me to stop on 70kg warmups.. so yeah. fk.hit a wall pretty hard for the weekends efforts..heh.

My weight vest busted, i will return it. That's a bit of a shame, but whatever..

Did a refeed to end Phase I.. needed it .. i feel and perform awful  .. so it was a good idea to do it and get on with the next phase.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2481 on: January 25, 2016, 10:22:53 am »
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So phase II begins tmr ..
I'm giving myself 9 weeks for a serious transformation!

This is the macro plan in a nutshell:

Phase I: Day 1-10 - hardcore lowcarb IF diet + lots of fasted walking (5-10k a day)  -> goal of getting to <79kg asap
Phase II: Day 11- 31 -moderate IF diet + moderate carbs (100g/day) + moderate fasting walking (5k a day)  + cardio -> goal of getting to 77kg
Phase III: Day 32 - 63  - recomp IF diet + fasted stubborn fat protocol  -> goal of being a lean carbed up 77kg

After 9 weeks, im just gonna maintain for a while, at least 3 weeks. Then i'll do a SLOW bulk for the next 6 months and aim to end up a STRONG 82.5kg.

I've decided to keep up the weight vest regime, will make my effective training weight 90kg throughout phase I and II. For phase III i may let it slowly drift up towards 100kg though if it makes sense to and see if i can get some hypergravity effects for my vertical provided i've reached PR levels by  end of phase II, which may happen actually cause i'll be leaner and stronger and hopefully PR my vertical.

TLDR: destination 77kg / 169.5lb .. but doing it moderately!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2482 on: January 26, 2016, 02:31:35 am »
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Ok i just smashed my head into the ceiling at home by doing an SVJ on the 2nd attempt .. hardly any warmup.. lol. Usually it's a lot harder to touch the roof than that! So i guess i have some decent latent athleticism at the moment from the weight loss / weight vest ... lifting ... ?? I wish i could go test my vertical on the court but it's Australia Day and i imagine almost every bball indoor place is closed today. Maybe outdoor court..

Oh and post refeed to end Phase I, my body normalised at sub 79kg! Which is awesome.. cause that was all i wanted.. at this point. Now to lose the next 2 kilos of adipose at a more leisurely pace albeit while getting my lifts going again :)
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2483 on: January 26, 2016, 03:58:45 am »
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At this rate, you'll end up with several new cutting goals to maintain a bodyweight of 140lbs at 6'3" lollll.  You're pretty light and lean now man, start eating and squatting again.  79kg at 6'3" and you're a double leg jumper...

I know you know what you're doing, but might I would give 1 piece of advice?  Don't have a specific target weight goal.  At least not at such lean levels.  It's 1 thing for a 6'3" 250lb guy to have a goal of 190lbs.  It's another thing for a 6'3" 173lb guy  to have a really low weight goal that he struggles to get to because as he gets closer, the closer he gets to being very lean and starts sacrificing muscle and strength and he just ignores this fact to reach his "goal" no matter what and end up at his target goal with significant muscle/strength loss and end up regaining a good amount of fat as he starts eating again since his body was never the type to be extremely lean.

I know you're not at that point, just saying I think it's smarter to not cut to a specific target goal at your levels, but just cut until you notice a drop off in strength/lose muscle.  It's pointless from that point to keep cutting IMO for your double leg jumping goals.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2484 on: January 26, 2016, 04:50:50 am »
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If I was single-mindedly chasing only a bodycomp goal I would keep cutting to 150. So 169.5 is already a pretty major compromise! I wont be satisfied by any means with bodycomp at 169.5. Even 165 wouldn't get me where I wanna be bodycomp wise if I did cut down to that on this occasion, which I won't be.

My plan right now is a recomp involving diet + cardio down to 77kg / 169.5kg. That would be a decent compromise for now. And then I can maintain 77kg while continuing to recomp. But if I just accepted my current bodyweight and did a bodyweight maintenance recomp from here, it would simply take too long to get lean "enough" while trying to shed those 2kg I should do-away straight away. I don't think I will cut anymore than that though. But we'll see how it goes. When the scale reads 77kg i wont be carb depleted cause im no longer doing the lowcarb thing. It's just overkill at my current level of fatness.. maybe later down the line..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2485 on: January 26, 2016, 10:57:13 am »
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Your journal is one of the more interesting ones I have seen, in that I almost completely disagree with most of the criticism that others but also disagree completely with how you structure your training!

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« Reply #2486 on: January 27, 2016, 08:37:14 am »
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BS 2x132.5, 2x6x102.5
JS 6x145 (PR)
Push Press 6x57.5, 3x63.5
Depth Jump 8x20"
SVJx5, RVJx5 (PRs)

BW: 78.35kg / 172.73lb (LPR)

Squat notes:
Shakey legs and back .. fatigue has still not dissipated.] Took a light day. Should be good by friday.

PR my RVJ and SVJ at home.. touched highest on the roof than i have before.. so that's kinda cool .. but it's been a while since i tested so it may be that i have reached similar levels since I last tested but i dont think so.. feels pretty good esp with almost no jumping since Nov.. I wish i could have an estimate for vertical inches but i cant find a way to measure .. which is really frustrating me.

I did 2 conditioning sessions today .. 10 mins at a leisurely pace of 6km/hr and 17:30mins at a pace of 9.1km/hr. Cardio is hard right now but i think that's cause im so grossly unfit and i have to push through and keep going. My goal is to get 3 km in under 20 mins first .. and then build up to 4km in under 20 mins. For my needs that's probably fit "enough".
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2487 on: January 28, 2016, 12:59:26 am »
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BW: 172.18lb / 78.1 kg (LPR)

Gonna try real hard to take a proper rest day so i can nail some PRs tmr. This whole week was a writeoff training wise -- i overreached and im payin the price for it ..
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« Reply #2488 on: January 28, 2016, 10:06:15 am »
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I did 2 conditioning sessions today .. 10 mins at a leisurely pace of 6km/hr and 17:30mins at a pace of 9.1km/hr. Cardio is hard right now but i think that's cause im so grossly unfit and i have to push through and keep going. My goal is to get 3 km in under 20 mins first .. and then build up to 4km in under 20 mins. For my needs that's probably fit "enough".

For your needs that is 100x more fit than necessary.   A 4km run is about 3 more km than would have an utility whatsoever for you.  The lack of fitness you feel is not from a deficit in steady state aerobic respiration but rather lactate tolerance, resting respiration, and the efficiency of your alactic system to recover.

Again the thinking is good - but like the idea that your calves lose muscle on a cut (seriously you think your calves atrophy and hypertrophy on a timescale that short?  Do you know how much time people spend trying to build actual tissue in calves??) - the execution doesn't make much sense...

I've told the story before but in college the basketball team used to come to the track in the fall because the coach got it in his head that running a 6 minute mile was a necessity...  They had to attempt to 2-3 times a week until they got it.   The starting point guard (who was one of the fittest players on the team and played about 35 minutes a game) was at one point one of only 2 players who had to still run it (the other was some 7 foot european import)...  They didn't always come in during track practice so I don't know if he eventually got it but I remember seeing him run multiple ~6:20 with his teammates cheering him along until he fell off the pace around lap 6 (indoor track)...   That the coach didn't take this as evidence that fitness in basketball isn't relating to mileage was really puzzling - our underpaid sprints coach used to claim he deserved the job....

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« Reply #2489 on: January 29, 2016, 01:09:46 am »
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^I get ya that playing bball would carry over better but summer is stupidly popular and I should have reached out to teams earlier (maybe before xmas) .. i cant find any place to play at the moment :( It's actually starting to worry me because I don't think i will be able to get in good basketball shape (skill wise and conditioning being equally important) in time for the late march tournament. But short of doing drills and whatnot .. this is something I can tack on to the end of every gym training session. For now it will have to do but sooner rather than later I do need to get more specific!!


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