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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2445 on: January 13, 2016, 06:57:49 pm »
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I'll start logging videos i watch and books and articles I read. I know this will be boring for many but i'll tag my training posts with the appropriate titles so you can easily see and read them instead!


Watching this joe armstrong one atm

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4</a>

Im getting back into Erlang. Saw a cool sounding job advertised and i'd like to apply .. but need to refresh my erlangs first.

nice! erlang is pretty dope.

love Joe Armstrong.. he's a legit beast. I also love this talk (and several others) by him. he gives it to you straight with that "old timer" yet still completely relevant perspective, ie, incredible experience.

the thesis he wrote is amazing: http://ftp.nsysu.edu.tw/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/erlang/armstrong_thesis_2003.pdf

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2446 on: January 13, 2016, 07:18:50 pm »
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Glad to see you persevering...  As far as some of the questions you posed.

1) I like when you say things like  "Lots more running and jumping .. i need to re-program my body to think it's that of an athlete as opposed to a sedentary person who sometimes lifts a few times a week."

I cringe when you say: "i was never wired up genetically to be athletic and be able to express my power in a game situation; you never have that much time to set up and launch for a dunk of two when you're as slow as I am. I never got a single game time dunk and as far as i am concerned I never will either."

You simply don't know that?  Did you have your genome sequenced and figure out exactly where this allele that makes people explosive is?  Or are you just giving yourself a ridiculous excuse?   All this talk about "slow" jumping is mostly nonsense.  You are hardly above 6'ft and you can tomahawk.  You jump close to 40'' off the ground.  That is explosive.  When you jump you are going just as fast off the ground as the next guy who jumps that height...  The concept of a "quick" jumper is mostly myth and an inability to tell proficiency and skill from power and speed...

You and I are in the same boat in a lot of regards.  We are the same age, both don't get much carryover from squats, both sprint, both are double leg jumpers and have the worst plant for dunking (I am LR and R handed you are RL and L handed), both get injured from too much ME jumping...  I have played probably 50 games of pickup basketball in the last 6 months and have gotten exactly 1 in-game non-tip dunk and it came on a perfect cut around the baseline when everything lined up right.  I don't even try to dunk on the fastbreak because unless the nearest guy is near half court I'm afraid I slow down too much to plant that I will get undercut or bothered enough to miss a dunk...  Despite this I'm not going to make some excuse that involves me genetically unable to do something... That type of negative belief is paralyzing...  I know I need to learn the opposite plant and become good enough with the ball to shield it and bring it up in a fashion where I can't get stripped on dunk attempts.   I know you need to drop the negativity about how your a "slow" jumper from your head and just go nuts.   Lots of ways to get over it.  Get a weight vest and take it off after awhile and feel light...   Go to a gym where you are alone and just scream as loud as you can and run around as fast as you can once in awhile.  Get out of your head and you will realize the untapped potential you have when you let go of paralyzing ideas.  Or do something that makes you feel explosive.  Go do some backflips.  When I'm feeling slow I go do some outdoor gymnastics where I know I have to fire quickly or I will end up on my head.   Nothing like it for reminding yourself that you can move quickly...

2) As far as your diet/recomp goals.   Your disciplined cutting is the stuff of legend.  I've cut down to 208 from 230 while recovering my knee and your diet log is hugely inspirational.   You are officially lean now.  I'm not gonna tell you to bulk but I am gonna tell you to start pushing yourself in the gym.  Part of the reason you feel slow is probably because you fluctuate from fat and slow and lean and depleted.  Settle in at 185 and let yourself eat a bit more but reduce rest intervals and do the whole body split that I advocate...  You will recomp and stay lean but you will be a stronger, more muscular, primed and explosive lean.

Despite my criticism your progress is some of the best I have seen.  If I could get you out of your head you would be a great athlete to train. 




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« Reply #2447 on: January 15, 2016, 06:32:46 am »
+3
BS 6x1x132.5 (LPR), 5x120 (LPR), 5x117.5, 6x115
RDL 10x142.5 (PR), 8x145 (PR)
OHP 2x6x55, 5x55 (LPR but this is embarassing how hard tehse light sets are!)

BW: ??

Squat notes: 
Hot day, didn't fancy training outside at home. instead did a free gym trial session at a nearby gym. Weak sauce but i managed to hit my goal of 6 singles at the training weight of 132.5kg. So next week i can attempt doubles? Yikes. Considering how hard the singles were, a small miracle would be necessary first. But im being a massive pussy i think, i was doubling 132.5kg while cutting hardcore in Dec so there is no reason i should be mentally defeated by repping it now as im comfort eating/binging on shitty food. I feel bad though mentally so that might be a reason why im struggling with squattings. Also doing a lot of walking maybe that's not doing great things for my legs either!

RDL notes:
My ego led me to attempt these two PRs .. got em.. not super delighted or anything, just meh.

I was supposed to do a chinup/lat pull down/cable row workout today but fuck that, i'll do it on monday, im too exhausted mentally and physically right now..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2448 on: January 15, 2016, 11:55:30 pm »
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I know ive made the same observation before but RDLs do an excellent job at working my upper back. So sore today! I remember reading about Pendlay using 405 for RDL worksets of 8 and thinking that was impressive but now i'm not so sure. Like he was an almost 1000 pound squatter at the time and prob outweighed me by a significant amount. And my goal on RDLs is worksets of 160kg soonish which is 2xbw while his were around 182.5kg worksets. It still remains to be seen how this will benefit my athleticism (via the proxy of squatting ofcourse) but i'm excited about being good at something for a change unlike squats which are a constant struggle for what i can only honestly call mediocrity.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2449 on: January 16, 2016, 12:31:18 am »
+1
I'll start logging videos i watch and books and articles I read. I know this will be boring for many but i'll tag my training posts with the appropriate titles so you can easily see and read them instead!


Watching this joe armstrong one atm

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4</a>

Im getting back into Erlang. Saw a cool sounding job advertised and i'd like to apply .. but need to refresh my erlangs first.

nice! erlang is pretty dope.

love Joe Armstrong.. he's a legit beast. I also love this talk (and several others) by him. he gives it to you straight with that "old timer" yet still completely relevant perspective, ie, incredible experience.

the thesis he wrote is amazing: http://ftp.nsysu.edu.tw/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/erlang/armstrong_thesis_2003.pdf

For many years I had his thesis printed and bound somewhere at home. I should go find it ;)  That video is good but I can't help think I missed the "point" whatever it was, cause i wasn't able to watch it while giving it my complete attention. Videos can get too long I find that you drift off and get distracted and miss key bits, esp when i watch them on one tab on one screen on my PC while doing other stuff. Need to sort out my workflow. Maybe I should watch vids while doing my daily fasted walks on my phone.. less to distract you that way! I will try it tmr.

Erlang is an interesting language. I just need more practice with it. If i do a decent medium sized project with it to learn, i'll know it well. Just have to think of an idea for one. Has to be a client-server one that uses concurrency etc but i can't think of anything i'd like to make with those qualities... hmmmm. Keep talking about it, will maintain my interest! :)
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2450 on: January 16, 2016, 01:04:00 am »
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Glad to see you persevering...  As far as some of the questions you posed.

1) I like when you say things like  "Lots more running and jumping .. i need to re-program my body to think it's that of an athlete as opposed to a sedentary person who sometimes lifts a few times a week."

I cringe when you say: "i was never wired up genetically to be athletic and be able to express my power in a game situation; you never have that much time to set up and launch for a dunk of two when you're as slow as I am. I never got a single game time dunk and as far as i am concerned I never will either."

You simply don't know that?  Did you have your genome sequenced and figure out exactly where this allele that makes people explosive is?  Or are you just giving yourself a ridiculous excuse?   All this talk about "slow" jumping is mostly nonsense.  You are hardly above 6'ft and you can tomahawk.  You jump close to 40'' off the ground.  That is explosive.  When you jump you are going just as fast off the ground as the next guy who jumps that height...  The concept of a "quick" jumper is mostly myth and an inability to tell proficiency and skill from power and speed...

You and I are in the same boat in a lot of regards.  We are the same age, both don't get much carryover from squats, both sprint, both are double leg jumpers and have the worst plant for dunking (I am LR and R handed you are RL and L handed), both get injured from too much ME jumping...  I have played probably 50 games of pickup basketball in the last 6 months and have gotten exactly 1 in-game non-tip dunk and it came on a perfect cut around the baseline when everything lined up right.  I don't even try to dunk on the fastbreak because unless the nearest guy is near half court I'm afraid I slow down too much to plant that I will get undercut or bothered enough to miss a dunk...  Despite this I'm not going to make some excuse that involves me genetically unable to do something... That type of negative belief is paralyzing...  I know I need to learn the opposite plant and become good enough with the ball to shield it and bring it up in a fashion where I can't get stripped on dunk attempts.   I know you need to drop the negativity about how your a "slow" jumper from your head and just go nuts.   Lots of ways to get over it.  Get a weight vest and take it off after awhile and feel light...   Go to a gym where you are alone and just scream as loud as you can and run around as fast as you can once in awhile.  Get out of your head and you will realize the untapped potential you have when you let go of paralyzing ideas.  Or do something that makes you feel explosive.  Go do some backflips.  When I'm feeling slow I go do some outdoor gymnastics where I know I have to fire quickly or I will end up on my head.   Nothing like it for reminding yourself that you can move quickly...

2) As far as your diet/recomp goals.   Your disciplined cutting is the stuff of legend.  I've cut down to 208 from 230 while recovering my knee and your diet log is hugely inspirational.   You are officially lean now.  I'm not gonna tell you to bulk but I am gonna tell you to start pushing yourself in the gym.  Part of the reason you feel slow is probably because you fluctuate from fat and slow and lean and depleted.  Settle in at 185 and let yourself eat a bit more but reduce rest intervals and do the whole body split that I advocate...  You will recomp and stay lean but you will be a stronger, more muscular, primed and explosive lean.

Despite my criticism your progress is some of the best I have seen.  If I could get you out of your head you would be a great athlete to train.

Firstly thanks so much for that post. It means a lot. I read it and it left an impression on me because it was what I needed to hear.

I'm glad you quoted me on the in-game dunk situation. I think you are right that a big part of in-game dunking is being aggressive and attacking the rim. It kinda clicked when Kobe gave the advice to his young rookie teammate that he was attacking the rim like a lightskinned dude. Racism aside, i know what Kobe is getting at there, it's a mindset to be aggressive and go for it. But if i was to analyse my thought process, it would be, nope nope, no way am i attacking the rim with someone in the way because I don't want to risk an ankle injury by landing awkwardly or on someone etc. Still, I think I need to make that decision late late, like if there is no way I can land safely, then just find some space and go for a layup or pass out -- but if there is no reason not to finish the dunk then GO FOR IT and be fearless. I love that this single challenge for me is so key -- if I can dunk in-game (not a fast break but in a half court set) then i've accomplished something amazing (for me), a) overcoming my limitations as an athlete and b)my mental inhibitions which rule out the aggressive drive. I need to re-program my mind first, you're absolutely right. Having said that though, my speed in setup for a dunk needs to improve. As in how long I can get my 1-2 steps in before launching up. This also has a skilll component to it which I haven't exploited. I should be able to make space for myself by playing the game, taking my defender one way on the dribble and then collecting the ball last second to go the other for a dunk. That kind of thing. It's a multifacted challenge that wont be overcome with just one thing, it has to be a mastery of all of these different facets at the same time.

You know when I was playing pickup mid dec when i'd just come off my cut, I felt so fast on the court like I was faster than my mind could believe. That would have been a perfect time to attempt something but then again the pace of half court pickup is so slow with like 4v4 or 5v5 and defenders just camp around unlike game situations where people are hussling to stay on their man or cover their position on a zone. I think my chance of getting a dunk in-game will be a full court game where everyone is busy doing their thing and I'm able to get the ball and just attack the rim without going up 1v3 for example.

I do agree with your advice to pick up a bodyweight and get strong at it and not be a dieted down version of that weight but a strong version where you're eating enough to recover and train hard and aren't suffering from a diet induced performance wall. For me that should be something like my current bodyweight .. but im fairly sloppy right now.i've been eating badly lately due to life stuff and I need to shake that off and get myself back on track in eating cleaner and focusing on life ahead instead. I think around mid Dec i was close to being where i needed to be, quite leanish not ripped. Would have been good time to maintain that bodyweight and jus get strong at it.  I can get back there, just need to get my shit together soon.
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« Reply #2451 on: January 18, 2016, 07:05:00 am »
+2
BS 3x2x132.5 (LPR!), 0Fx137.5 (LPR attempt lol), 3x1x132.5
BP 2x92.5 (LPR), 5x82.5 (LPR), 5x80, 6x79.5 (LPR)
WCU 3x103.5, 6x93.5 (LPR)
CURL 8x40, 2x8x37.5

BW: 81.6kg / 179.9lb (fuck .. i let myself go quickly in the 2nd week of 2016 :/)

Squat notes:
Yay progress.. doubled 132.5kg... next time i'll go for 6 doubles  :headbang:

Upper notes:
Possible injury during bench after the heavy double. Right pec feels off. I hope it's nothing but we'll see how it goes over the next couple of days.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2452 on: January 18, 2016, 09:55:12 am »
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stop weighing yourself.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2453 on: January 18, 2016, 01:23:33 pm »
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Mirror>scale brooooo.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2454 on: January 19, 2016, 12:21:58 am »
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stop weighing yourself.

to a certain extent but i know the slippery slope of avoiding the scale when you're letting yourself go and im gonna force myself to avoid that trap!

Mirror>scale brooooo.

I must admit i look pretty jacked (is this the right word) in the mirror.. all those carbs do make you look huge .. relatively speaking than when dieted down and carb depleted. But it's just fools gold lol

Ok i think im sufficiently disgusted with myself after sitting down and working through an entire 2L container of cookies and cream icecream last night after dinner that im ready to arrest this decline and get myself back on track to being in the best shape of my life. Starting today im making these daily changes to my habits:

- At least 10,000 steps a day with at least 5000 of those coming fasted  (this gives 1lb fat loss per week provided one eats at maintenance)
- some form of cardio 3x a week (basically at the end of every training session)
- cut out pizza and icecream (should get carb intake down that way and get more fat burning in during the day)

If i can do that for a week i should be back on track and then i can go for something more ambitious .. i dont have any drugs owing to living in a nanny state, so where someone else might have used EC i'll have to just be 10% more active i guess, hence the fitbit and cardio.. lets gooooo
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2455 on: January 19, 2016, 01:28:36 pm »
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so weigh yourself once a week if you're that worried about it.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2456 on: January 20, 2016, 12:33:29 am »
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Good news is yesterday I got through day 1 successfully without pizza or icecream or chocolate... which is usually the HARDEST. But nothing is accomplished yet! Wait til day 10 before I am confident i've made a good start. I think it's round bout day 20 when i can say i'm on track so there is work to be done yet. Here are my fitbit stats for yesterday:

Total Activity: 13,676 steps / 10.51km
Fasted Activity: 8000 steps
Calories In: 2027
Calories out: 2931
Caloric Deficit: 904

I got a weight vest today. It goes up to 20kg. Unfortunately it looks quite bulky so I don't think I will use it as much in summer. Still, I guess if I distribute the weight bags inconspicuously...? but the ones on the back are def noticable lol. Wear a baggy shirt?  Winter should be fine as long as I wear a hoody or a coat. Each pocket holds 0.58kg .. and im using 16 pockets atm to make a total weight of +8.6kg. I jumped on the scale and it read 91kg. I started with 10% of bw ~ 8kg so yeah.
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« Reply #2457 on: January 20, 2016, 05:30:59 am »
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BS 0Fx132.5*, 6x2x102.5 (LPR; light)
JS 2x6x142.5* (PR*; see squat note below)
Push Press 6x62.5(LPR), 4x62.5, 6x62, 4x62
Depth Jump 6,6*

BW: 178lb / 80.75kg

Squat notes:
Got buried by 132.5kg while wearing the weight vest .. tbh not sure i would have got it even without the vest ... but doesn't matter, this squat day is more of a recovery one anyways.

Henceforth sets logged with a star denote done with a weighted vest.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2458 on: January 20, 2016, 09:16:40 am »
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wait wait wait, you're trying to lose weight again? i'm confused. i thought you were trying to get strong now.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2459 on: January 20, 2016, 09:26:46 am »
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Not longer than a week. Just to get under <80kg and then i'll maintain that while recomping and getting strong. Im not far from that .. still pretty carbed up so i think by next monday i should be there?
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