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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2430 on: June 23, 2015, 12:23:47 am »
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How old are you? Don't know why you're getting so down about this mate! Athletic training can be fun right up until you're in your 40s and your joints start to wear out. Then you can just jump on a road bike like every guy seems to do nowadays and train for fitness, or just retire. But (I think) you have ages left to go. All that's needed is for you to really fine-tune your training and physique and cut out the bullshit. You can still do all of that stuff you listed if you just let your body heal and avoid heavy squatting for awhile. Squatting is really not needed if you're training for elasticity, too much back loading. Eventually once your speed/power really fades, then you can just train more for strength/hypertrophy. I'm hoping my SVJ will be better at age 35 than 25 if I train right and take care of myself. Do you ever get proper treatment (e.g. remedial massage) for your injuries?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2431 on: June 23, 2015, 01:10:46 am »
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Thanks acole & LBSS. I'm 31. The fact is the last 4 weeks or so, i've already tried to do those things but it feels very much like shutting the door after the horse has already bolted. The opportunity or window has closed. It's like how OKC could have won multiple championships when Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden were healthy - but mismanagement meant they never did even though everyone knows they could have - it's too late now with trades, injuries and lost opportunities. Sure you could Westbrook healthy dropping triple doubles but if Durant isn't there, it's all for naught. Or without the right championship calibre coaching.

 I'm just saying, my window probably has closed now. Ankle has healed but the damage done to my back isn't going away. It's just not just heavy squats, i haven't gone over 100kg in a month, i can stay away from them but when every single ME jump (which is what a dunk takes now) hurts my back acutely, it's not worth it to even try. Im pretty sure it's my spine not muscular so not sure what massages would do - sometimes they make things worse if it's spinal not muscular which probably respond better to that stuff. I have found the less i do, the better in this case. When i went overboard with SMR stuff, it didn't help at all. Better left alone which is what i've done the last couple of weeks and it's worked though jumping is out.

If it wasn't for that, i do think i could get a lot out of my body yet, just don't know if that will ever be the case now or if this is going to be chronic.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2432 on: June 23, 2015, 02:42:27 am »
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Thanks acole & LBSS. I'm 31. The fact is the last 4 weeks or so, i've already tried to do those things but it feels very much like shutting the door after the horse has already bolted. The opportunity or window has closed. It's like how OKC could have won multiple championships when Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden were healthy - but mismanagement meant they never did even though everyone knows they could have - it's too late now with trades, injuries and lost opportunities. Sure you could Westbrook healthy dropping triple doubles but if Durant isn't there, it's all for naught. Or without the right championship calibre coaching.

 I'm just saying, my window probably has closed now. Ankle has healed but the damage done to my back isn't going away. It's just not just heavy squats, i haven't gone over 100kg in a month, i can stay away from them but when every single ME jump (which is what a dunk takes now) hurts my back acutely, it's not worth it to even try. Im pretty sure it's my spine not muscular so not sure what massages would do - sometimes they make things worse if it's spinal not muscular which probably respond better to that stuff. I have found the less i do, the better in this case. When i went overboard with SMR stuff, it didn't help at all. Better left alone which is what i've done the last couple of weeks and it's worked though jumping is out.

If it wasn't for that, i do think i could get a lot out of my body yet, just don't know if that will ever be the case now or if this is going to be chronic.

Mate I'm highly doubtful that your window has closed. Get yourself to a good physical therapist (massage, osteopath, physio, etc) and get them to sort you out. Personally I like osteopaths because they're a bit more whole body focused as opposed to singular area focused. Get some scans if needed and find out what you're working with. Rest will only disguise the problem and it will always return unless you find out the root cause.

If you can afford it (private health or whatever) find out who treats the Eagles or Dockers players and get in to see them. Worked wonders for me and that was how I ended a 12 year battle with severe low back pain. I ended up seeing the guys who treated Carlton FC and now have an Osteo who treats national and international water polo players.

You're in WA right:
http://www.bodylogicphysiotherapy.com.au/component/contact/contact/17-our-team/18-specialist-physiotherapists/4-chris-perkin.html
http://starphysiowa.com.au/our-team/
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chasing athleticism
« Reply #2433 on: June 24, 2015, 06:31:11 am »
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Well pin into pillars comes to an end .. sad cause i was taking 7.5kg-5kg jumps pretty easily up to 7x7x97.5kg but my back wont allow me to continue, so scrapped it today. Took a huge reset and will be aiming for 10x10x100 now, starting with 7x10x45ish today. Next workout i'll go for 8x10x65kg and sunday 10x10x70. I should be able to take bigger jumps up to 82.5kg and then i'll take smaller ones of 2.5kg, probably, to give myself a chance to heal my back by the time i get to the high 90s.

BW: 87.5kg/186lb

FS 10x40, BS 10x40, FS 10x50, BS 10x50, BS 3x10x60
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2434 on: June 26, 2015, 07:07:43 am »
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BS 10x10x62.5

Squat notes:
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chasing athleticism (the end)
« Reply #2435 on: June 26, 2015, 11:05:37 am »
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Im closing this log today for 3 reasons

a) my injuries no longer allow me to train the same way
b) satnam drafted into the NBA 
c) im changing focus to a new way

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2436 on: June 26, 2015, 01:50:58 pm »
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nah man don't do it! or are you gonna start a new log?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2437 on: June 26, 2015, 02:58:50 pm »
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nah man don't do it! or are you gonna start a new log?

Yep new log! Let me summarise this log. The problem with this whole journey was i wanted athleticism but instead i chased a big squat and didn't really make much of a dent in my lofty pursuit of athleticism. Dont get me wrong, squats went a long way from where I started athletically never been able to do a dunk until my late 20s when I made this log. Evenually I was able to do powerful dunks off a drop step or two - but squats had essentially transformed me into a double leg jumper, which is good cause it meant i could express more power that ever before, more than almost everyone i faced on the court -- i won pretty much every single jump ball at the start of the the games we played as a result.

 Beyond that though the problem was i was never wired up genetically to be athletic and be able to express my power in a game situation; you never have that much time to set up and launch for a dunk of two when you're as slow as I am. I never got a single game time dunk and as far as i am concerned I never will either. I practiced drop step dunks and was pretty good at them but never had the opportunity during a game. Opposition never gives you that much room especially in FIBA rules. The only time i had an attempt at a dunk was on a fast break and this is funny - i hit the rim cause im not athletic enough. Athletic means reactive, and its no coincidence that single attempt was a one leg jump one.

Now injuries have made it impossible to squat heavy and even more jump off two - so this journey comes to an end. Not by choice, if it was up to me, i'd keep working away, adding a few kilos to my squat, dieting off the fat, and eventually hopefully getting enough strength to satisfy me to turn to reactivity. But this choice has been made for me now - i can't jump off two, i can squat heavy. Today something happened which convinced me that it was time to start something new. A new chapter begins now.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2438 on: January 12, 2016, 02:04:27 am »
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Injury in 2015 led me to make a new journal, Chasing Reactivity trying something different (SL training). This phase didn't last long but I did get some SL dunks which was a PR for me. I could afford to revisit SL training sometime in the future I think, it may help my DLVJ too. But it's not a focus or priority right now.

I'm reviving this journal on Vag's request.. for 2016. So let's do that now.
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« Reply #2439 on: January 12, 2016, 02:05:41 am »
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2016 Prologue

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My perspective on body comp and attaining changes has somewhat changed after xmas. I was fairly active since then, clocking up to 30k steps on the fitbit on NYE for example and on average around 15k on other days. And despite the nightly drinking and eating loads of food, i still managed to get leaner or at least mitigate fat gains even though my body was no doubt primed to gain fat post-cutting. But going forward, im going to be more active in general. It will get me in shape better.

So here are my rough goals for 2016:

Heal -- heartbreak and being emotionally drained: this is the big one .. any tips?

Squat 140kg for 6 reps (or sets of doubles). Not sure how I bridge the gap with where i am currently (failing a double at 132.5kg yesterday after getting the first rep hard) but i'll just work super hard and find a way.

Continue with the medball exercises. 1x a week is good.

Get lean as fuck (<10%) and strong as fuck (2xbw RDL, 2xbw BS, 3xBW calf raises etc)

Lots more running and jumping .. i need to re-program my body to think it's that of an athlete as opposed to a sedentary person who sometimes lifts a few times a week.
That should do. I have a bball weekend tournament late march that i want to peak for .. wanna be doing easy big windmills in warmups. This is the only comp that really matters to me, it happens every year and last year i was injured :(

I think it's a good one for now. To make the leanness goal more concrete, i think i need to eventually see the scale weigh 77kg ... that would prob get me close to "lean as fuck" .. provided im also a strong 77kg as opposed to a chronically dieted down weakling.. the key will be patience .. doing it too fast will kill my strength and muscle mass.. too slow and i wont have the motivation... there is def a sweet spot to it. I can prob do a few 10-15 day cut cycles to chip away, maybe 2 of them will get me to 77kg morning bodyweight.

I haven't decided the exact strategy yet but I'd like to get my squat up and diet down some bodyfat I gained since xmas. If i do this in the wrong order, i'll prob end up weaker and smaller. So maybe i'll do a recomp for a while, then when i feel im strong enough, i'll start cutting. Bodyweight is currently under 80kg / 175lb in the mornings and about 80kg / 176.5lb with shoes, clothes and a preworkout meal.. so i'm not too heavy by any means, just not as lean and muscular as I would like at this bodyweight.  I'm not going to be bulking though, don't have the low bodyfat percentage to do it efficiently -- so it would just lead to too much fat gain at this point. Just a reminder to myself to not get carried away and start eating pizzas and shit to see the weights go up easier..

To do a windmill though, i need a lot more strength .. a lot more muscle mass .. a lot less adipose ... and a lot more hard work. I anticipate my non standing vertical will be high 30s, maybe even 40" when i finally reach the goal of an easy, repeatable, powerful windmill.

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« Reply #2440 on: January 12, 2016, 02:06:33 am »
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BS 3x1x132.5 (LPR), 3x1x130 (LPR), 5x117.5 (LPR), 3x120 (LPR)
BP 2x90 (LPR), 3x82.5 (LPR), 7x77.5 (LPR)
CURL 8x40 (LPR), 6x45 (PR), 8x42.5 (LPR)

BW: 80kg / 176.4lb (gym)

Squat notes:
Every single was hard. I wanted to double 132.5kg but realised it wasn't happening today.. did 6 singles. Didn't have 6 singles at 132.5kg -- but that's okay, gives me something to work towards over the next 6 weeks. 6 singles then doubles then triples .. and so on up to 6x6x132.5kg at which point I can add weight. Total volume: 14 reps (LPR). Was tempted to go for 21 reps but decided i'll work up to it over this week's squatting instead.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2441 on: January 12, 2016, 03:52:25 am »
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Ahhhh, niceeee! Hope i wasn't too pushy? This journal is epic, so much progress, experimenting, discussion in here, and so much more to come!  :highfive:
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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« Reply #2442 on: January 12, 2016, 07:06:11 am »
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Ahhhh, niceeee! Hope i wasn't too pushy? This journal is epic, so much progress, experimenting, discussion in here, and so much more to come!  :highfive:

Nah all good.. im not that bothered by it .. i just like fresh starts haha but this is fine!

I went to a bball court for the first time since .. gosh i can't even recall... i remember the last time i played was the sunday before xmas .. looking it up, it was 20th Dec. So it's been over 3 weeks since i played ball. By the way yesterday i finally had a chance to go the docs to get my xray report which i had done on 22nd Dec. It turns out i had a fracture in my finger, a nondisplaced one. seems to be healing ok but yeah that sucks.. i guess i must have dunked too hard or something .. nah i dont think i fractured it during dunking, prob during the game. Was pretty heated.

I couldn't really dunk well today.. all thigns considered, my tomawks were weak and i wouldn't even consider them actual tomawks. but hopefully it will come back quickly... i could make an excuse and say yesterdays squatting is to blame .. doesn't matter.. have to get back where i was on the 20th.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2443 on: January 12, 2016, 10:34:26 pm »
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I'll start logging videos i watch and books and articles I read. I know this will be boring for many but i'll tag my training posts with the appropriate titles so you can easily see and read them instead!


Watching this joe armstrong one atm

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4</a>

Im getting back into Erlang. Saw a cool sounding job advertised and i'd like to apply .. but need to refresh my erlangs first.
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chasing windmills (W1D2)
« Reply #2444 on: January 13, 2016, 05:19:57 am »
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BS 0Fx132.5, 2x6x100
Jump Squat 2x6x142.5 (PR), 8x80, 8x70
Push Press 6x57.5 (LPR), 3x6x60 (LPR; reintroduction)
MedBall Slam 6x6kg, 6x10kg (LPR; reintro)
MedBall Throw 6x6kg, 6x10kg, 6x6kg (LPRs; reintro)
Depth Jump 2x6x21" (LPR; reintro)

BW: ??

Squat notes:
Forced light day!

Plyo notes:
Interesting to see how my program has evolved. I decided to put all the plyo stuff on the same day instead of separating them into an upper and lower day like i had done in nov-dec. I feel that might be better, provided im fresh enough on the plyo day which ofc wasn't true today because i couldn't squat for shit.. but yeah, lets see how this works. This can occur til i start playing bball again on weds .. hopefully the team i played with last year invite me back.. i know the summer season begins in jan sometime, but dont know the exact date. havent heard anything from them yet :/ i really wanna play with them again though.
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