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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2070 on: August 12, 2014, 05:57:22 am »
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I don't like a weight vest for quad dominant people. If you're quad dominant and you add a weight vest, you're going to be even MORE quad dominant in my experience. Due to that additional weight, you're going to push off using your strongest muscles even more => even more knee bend and quad overload.
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All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2071 on: August 12, 2014, 06:11:40 am »
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That's true, I guess I'm just doubting the gains versus potential injury. That's like doing plyos with weight. And I don't see why the body won't adjust back quickly after you remove the weight since most of your day you'll be normal weight then for a small period you'll be heavier. Idk, Im probably over thinking :)

The whole time i was thinking of myself actually while you're probably thinking of someone more generic? That's funny. But consider it from my POV. I'm tall but very light, what would i have to loose from using a weighted vest of 20-30kg when i weigh 70kg/155lb?   That means a top end weight of 100kg/220lb - something i've done naturally (dunked in january with a 96kg morning bw naked, and close to 100kg with clothes and food in the PM). So that's where im coming from. And it's not like i'd suddenly put on 20kg one day, i'd build up to it, 2kg or so a week over a period of 6 months or so.

I don't like a weight vest for quad dominant people. If you're quad dominant and you add a weight vest, you're going to be even MORE quad dominant in my experience. Due to that additional weight, you're going to push off using your strongest muscles even more => even more knee bend and quad overload.

i'm not talking about anyone else but for myself. im not quad dominant at all. now what? lol.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2072 on: August 12, 2014, 09:32:39 am »
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fwiw, what literature there is around weighted vests mostly shows that they're a good training and potentiation tool.

i have an interesting paper with a good bibliography on this if anyone's interested: "Effects of a Plyometric Training Program with and without Added Load on Jumping Ability in Basketball Players."
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2073 on: August 12, 2014, 09:41:26 am »
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Yeah I don't think it can hurt. Nothing to lose by giving it a go.
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« Reply #2074 on: August 12, 2014, 12:09:46 pm »
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Yea I was just thinking out loud. Kinda makes sense since you are so light for your height. Like Mutumbo said, won't know til you try!

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2075 on: August 12, 2014, 03:14:04 pm »
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I remember when I got to the park with a weight vest on and played 3 on 3 for ten minutes or so, then took it off.

I expected to be greately potentiated, instead I was tensed up and jumping terribly.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2076 on: August 12, 2014, 06:20:04 pm »
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IIRC, kellyb said that to get potentiated you need to wear it all day, to really trick your CNS that you are heavier. Also he said that it can't be used all the time, CNS catches up with the trick. But it does work. Too bored to find the abstract now but i can if you are interested.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2077 on: August 12, 2014, 10:41:36 pm »
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IIRC, kellyb said that to get potentiated you need to wear it all day, to really trick your CNS that you are heavier. Also he said that it can't be used all the time, CNS catches up with the trick. But it does work. Too bored to find the abstract now but i can if you are interested.

yeah that's what i'm thinking of. some literature to the contrary, including that piece i referred to. YMMV, as always.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2078 on: August 12, 2014, 11:02:52 pm »
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Got a link to that paper at all LBSS?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2079 on: August 13, 2014, 07:41:30 am »
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I missed the dunk video, got a link?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2080 on: August 13, 2014, 08:42:48 am »
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Got a link to that paper at all LBSS?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2081 on: August 14, 2014, 05:17:44 am »
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Not stopping until reaching 60 kg :D
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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chasing athleticism -- W3D2 (cut over!)
« Reply #2082 on: August 14, 2014, 11:53:06 pm »
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Bodyweight: 77.2kg/170.2lb
Waist: < 32.5"



Didn't quite achieve my goal of being ≤77.0kg but came close. Doesn't matter, I'll get my bodyfat amount lower without dieting for a few weeks just by getting into basketball shape through training. Usually lose about an inch off my waist within the first few weeks of playing basketball again.  I'm also going to be really disciplined with my diet while on break - not going to undo any of my hard work. Then I'll come back for more cutting Sept 1st, 77kg->72kg possibly over 2 cycles with a diet break inbetween.


Training
OHP 3x50, 2x55, 1x57.5, 0Fx59.5, 3x55, 3x54.5
WCU 2x92(+15kg), 2x98 (+20kg), 1x103(+25kg)
CND - 1km TM, 5x25skips with brief rest, 10min TM

FBS 1x115
BS 1x117.5, 5x110, 5x107.5, 5x105

WCU 2x81.5, 2x86.5, 2x5x91.5, 5x87.5
Circuit of 3x(10x20 HB squat, 10x20 OHP)
Circuit 1x(OHP 10x40, FS 10x40) (to fill muscles with glycogen on carb reload)

Squat notes: 
Man fuck everything about training today. My arms wud not stop cramping up. Do you know how hard/impossible it is to do a front squat when your arm is cramped up? Blah. Same thign wud happen on bs as well but it's slightly more manageable.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2014, 09:24:15 am by entropy »
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« Reply #2083 on: August 17, 2014, 10:34:25 pm »
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BW:77.4kg/170.64lb



So a recap, on friday I did my carb refeed to end the diet and weighed in at 77.2kg/170.2lb - my lightest since last year. Next day my weight went up to 78.65kg/173.39lb. On sunday it was 78.3kg/172.62lb and on monday morning it's back to a reasonably lightweight 77.4kg/170.64lb! So i'm almost as light as I was pre-carb-refeed! Which is kinda nice. The thing is, i've actually noticed significant changes in skinfold mm on my abs (not measured just apparent) so i've had an overnight whoosh or something since sunday. Kinda cool. So from here i'm thinking I should jump into basketball aplomb, take into consideration what LBSS has levelled against me (rightly) that i'm a yo-yo-er and become dedicated to keeping a very tight watch on my BW from here onwards.

I wont be doing fasted squatting ANY MORE. I want to get back to a respectable 130kg/140kg FS/BS first and foremost, like asap and then from there i think 140kg/150kg as a lightweight will be an excellent strength and power goal. But first things first, 130/140kg!

Also since i'm training for basketball I expect to see about an inch off my waist (as has happened so many times in the past when i've restarted bball). I hope this will coincide with about 2lb off my bodyweight too without dieting it off.

Training
BP 2x80, 0Fx85, 3x77.5, 2x79.5, 3x78.5, 3x77.5, 3x76, 3x75
CRLZ 5x48.5, 10x45, 10x42.5

DUNKZ ~ 20 total

FBS 3x100
BS 2x110, 3x102.5, 6x97.5
FS 6x90

Dunk notes:
Kinda lost steam quickly..lots of misses.. I don't think i've recoverd well from friday. But still a decent session all things considering. Wore my new kicks for the first time. First time i've used that word too, feels wrong. I love them except my left toe felt constricted and subsequently sore, which makes no sense because my R foot is the one that usually gives problems. So i am prob just a 12.5 and i made a mistake getting a 12. Oh well, if i didn't have shoe problems it wudnt be me. as a result i dont think i can wear these for actual basketball. Regretting not getting 12.5s cause eastbay had em. I cud buy another pair of 13s from shitty local sports place, i still have to use my store credi from returning my last pair of the same shoes which cost 2x as much as eastbay.

Squat notes:
For the record I walked out 120kg to front squat (and i prob wud have failed it today tbh) and cud not even strart the rep. my left arm cramped up bad. So frustrated with cramping arms. My hand just now cramped while i was brushing my teeth, ffs!  Have to figure out why this is happening.. so strange..

I did higher reps with FS with a light weight (90kg) and also with  BS (97.5kg), just to get some volume in. I like this,might work towards higher rep PRs on  squats, at least for FS, BS I need to just man up and get back to using 120-130kg for sets of 6 really.

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« Last Edit: August 19, 2014, 06:29:29 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2084 on: August 18, 2014, 07:41:38 am »
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Some nice dunks in there mate. You're making it look pretty easy.
I can imagine with some more practice under your belt there'll be some decent upside.
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