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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1890 on: June 16, 2014, 07:52:01 am »
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damn raptor, you are really going all in with the born again rippetoeism gospel sermoning! Im happy for you that you've found some guidance in internet coaching but give the tired propaganda a rest. low bar isn't the game changer you're making it out to be, and really fuck all of that noise, not like anyone cares much for it here.

strong, to me, is a beltless backsquat, reasonably upright for 160-180kg at a bw around 82.5-87.5kg. For someone else it might be 150kg or 200kg, it depends on the individual obv. I would like a decent front squat as well, say 150-160kg. Same bw as before. Tell me princess when did you last let your heart decide. height makes a difference as well. for a guy 5'7" say, you can be strong and jacked AF at 75kg, for me, im basically a skeleton at that weight :/ low bar isn't going to change that lol
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1891 on: June 16, 2014, 08:18:05 am »
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If you were to get at 75 kg and then start building up your strength with a low bar squat and a front squat, so that your leverages matter less, and focused on a more "clean" muscle gain, then maybe you'd get more athletic. That's what I mean.

Nobody said that a low bar squat can't be more vertical. Just ask vag and his criticism of my low bar "pretty vertical" squats, that were annoying me that they weren't "good for quad development".
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1892 on: June 16, 2014, 10:20:43 am »
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I am absolutely confused by how some of the guys on the forum insist on training alone.   Maybe LA is just different but down here you can't walk around a track without seeing a training group and joining one is a piece of cake... If you just be friendly at the gym and track you should be able to get your way on a team...

believe me, i've looked. the only track groups i've been able to find around here are for distance running, or else are too far away to be practical without a car. i could join a triathlon or power lifting or olympic lifting club tomorrow. but sprinting just isn't a thing in this area unless you're in high school. the club that organizes track meets in the area has weekly track workouts but they seem to be for middle distance runners.* if i could go back to high school now i'd join the track team and just beg to do sprints and jumps even though i'm better suited to (i.e., not quite as horrible at) the mile. but i'm 27 and got my diploma 10 years ago. don't think they'd let me on the team.

the point is: LA is different.

*that said, i never got a response when i emailed some months ago asking about sprinting practice. would be worth reaching out again to see if they just misrepresent themselves on their website.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1893 on: June 16, 2014, 10:36:07 am »
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^This. The closest ive come to finding someone to train with was an idiot who did smolov jnr with me on the bench press. BP because that's the only thing in common we could find. But i would never do that again; between the obnoxious music on the iphone or the facebooking between sets, it's far worse than training alone in terms of focus and drive.

Also LBSS i had a dream last night i went back to highschool but with all the life experience and saavy i have as an adult. Was a cool dream. No relevance just thought to mention.

edit oh and I wouldnt go by emails. No one in this country bothers returning them if you cold mail them. Phone call or go see them in person.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1894 on: June 16, 2014, 11:01:53 am »
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Also LBSS i had a dream last night i went back to highschool but with all the life experience and saavy i have as an adult. Was a cool dream. No relevance just thought to mention.

edit oh and I wouldnt go by emails. No one in this country bothers returning them if you cold mail them. Phone call or go see them in person.

we'll see about the email. looking through the club's website again i'm actually more hopeful than i was before. will be funny if i have to eat my words.  :derp:

cool about the high school dream. i often think to myself how much ass i could have gotten if i had the confidence that i do now. not that i did terribly in that department in high school, mind you. but there was plenty of room for improvement. same goes for college, really. youth really is wasted on the young. ::)
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1895 on: June 16, 2014, 11:09:27 am »
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Big glutes back then would've definitely helped now!
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1896 on: June 16, 2014, 11:28:11 am »
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I am absolutely confused by how some of the guys on the forum insist on training alone.   Maybe LA is just different but down here you can't walk around a track without seeing a training group and joining one is a piece of cake... If you just be friendly at the gym and track you should be able to get your way on a team...

believe me, i've looked. the only track groups i've been able to find around here are for distance running, or else are too far away to be practical without a car. i could join a triathlon or power lifting or olympic lifting club tomorrow. but sprinting just isn't a thing in this area unless you're in high school. the club that organizes track meets in the area has weekly track workouts but they seem to be for middle distance runners.* if i could go back to high school now i'd join the track team and just beg to do sprints and jumps even though i'm better suited to (i.e., not quite as horrible at) the mile. but i'm 27 and got my diploma 10 years ago. don't think they'd let me on the team.

the point is: LA is different.

*that said, i never got a response when i emailed some months ago asking about sprinting practice. would be worth reaching out again to see if they just misrepresent themselves on their website.

I guess just because I am shocked doesn't mean what you are saying isn't possible.  I haven't met training partners in the DC area (well besides LBSS) but I can tell you it is insanely easy in both LA and New York.  Last time I was in New York for business I linked up with Central Park Track club and they have multiple 20 point guys and great coaches...  Also, met some other athletes just at the gym and organized more training.   

Perhaps searching on the internet isn't the best way?  I mean I have seen PVTC and Maryland Masters track club but perhaps neither exists anymore.  In LA at least it's really all about location.  Most tracks/fields you will go to and their will be nothing but a bunch of kids playing soccer.  But venture into the right neighborhood and find the right track and it will be nothing but elite sprinting groups and NFL combine training and an absolutely incredibly level of talent.   The same is true for gyms... mostly just terrible atmospheres but we have a few gyms actually dedicated to speed and even a gym entirely dedicated to increasing your vertical jump...

I have no idea if this will work in Australia but you might have more success if you keep exploring some different tracks for training.  At least in LA the best tracks are in wealthier black neighborhoods and the environment at these tracks is pretty serious and if you are interested in getting more athletic an environment like this would help astronomically.   I honestly believe we could fix your bounds in about 3-5 sessions if you had our group with you to compare against vs the months it might take you to iron it out yourself.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1897 on: June 16, 2014, 11:56:37 am »
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PVTC is the group I emailed with no response. I've had ultimate games on the field where they work out and it was all middle-distance people. I remember seeing a girl I'd gone to high school with who was a talented 5k runner and ended up running at Maryland. She was fit as hell, toasting dudes in the repeat 400s and 800s that they seemed to be doing. But I don't want to be doing 800s. If they get back to me and say, hey, actually we do have a group that does sprint training, then by god I'll get my ass down there on Monday nights. But they're the only ones. The Maryland clubs, and there are a couple although hard to tell how active they are, might as well be in New York for how realistic it would be to get to their practices sans car.

In re: fixing my bounds: I weep to think how much improvement I could make with a knowledgeable partner or coach. By god, I bet I could even run sub-13s.* If I ever get into competitive lifting I will for damn sure find a training partner and proper club because I know the value. It just isn't that easy here. Especially without a car.

* :ffffffuuuuuu:
« Last Edit: June 16, 2014, 12:01:49 pm by LBSS »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1898 on: June 16, 2014, 08:26:34 pm »
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I have no idea if this will work in Australia but you might have more success if you keep exploring some different tracks for training.  At least in LA the best tracks are in wealthier black neighborhoods and the environment at these tracks is pretty serious and if you are interested in getting more athletic an environment like this would help astronomically.   I honestly believe we could fix your bounds in about 3-5 sessions if you had our group with you to compare against vs the months it might take you to iron it out yourself.

The difference, and the problem, within Australia is the lack of high school/college sporting programs in general. We don't have anywhere near the same sporting infrastructure as the US or Europe. For most kids touching weights or doing track work in high school is a rarity even if you're playing high level sport.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1899 on: June 17, 2014, 12:54:12 am »
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I have no idea if this will work in Australia but you might have more success if you keep exploring some different tracks for training.  At least in LA the best tracks are in wealthier black neighborhoods and the environment at these tracks is pretty serious and if you are interested in getting more athletic an environment like this would help astronomically.   I honestly believe we could fix your bounds in about 3-5 sessions if you had our group with you to compare against vs the months it might take you to iron it out yourself.

The difference, and the problem, within Australia is the lack of high school/college sporting programs in general. We don't have anywhere near the same sporting infrastructure as the US or Europe. For most kids touching weights or doing track work in high school is a rarity even if you're playing high level sport.

Absolutely agree 100%.

In Adelaide there's 1 million people and we only have 1 track, which is probably why the fastest time in our state this year for the 100m was 10.62.
Same as basketball in Adelaide. The last time an indoor court was built was 11 years ago and that was only because the old stadium got torched in an arson attack. Most of our district clubs are playing on courts that are 30-50 years old.

In Australia unless it's Aussie rules, Rugby Union/Leage, or Cricket nobody wants to invest anything. Soccer is up and coming now but most of its growth is at the junior levels and the infrastructure in relation to the participation rate is still pretty low.

I've never been to America so most of what I see is just judged off movies and media but I've heard people get paid to coach high school football teams and people get paid to be strenth and conditioning coaches etc. at college or be track coaches. In Australia all of those positions are done by volunteers. If you want a strength and conditioning coach you'll need to hire a personal trainer haha.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1900 on: June 17, 2014, 03:51:44 am »
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In Romania, the best court in the country for basketball is probably worse than a high school court in the USA. This for the entire country of ~23 million people.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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« Reply #1901 on: June 18, 2014, 06:27:49 am »
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Training
FBS 1x133.5 (PR)
BS 1x137.5, 0Fx142.5, 1x132.5, 7x122.5 (PR)
BP 3x85, 2x87.5, 2x2x86, 2x85, 5x81

Squat notes:
137.5kg didn't feel like a 1RM so i tried my luck at 142.5kg but it was a bit too much. In hindsight shuda just gone for 140kg. Next time i'll prob do that. Btw that FS isn't a pr, not even a 2014 PR, just a cycle or local PR. If i make a global PR i'd have it in bold face.

Where to go from here? On friday i'll attempt 140+kg and try to set a PR for reps with 125kg, goal being to get up to 8x130kg by july.

Upper notes:
Wasn't up for repping 85 so did a RSR style workout of 5 doubles. Idk, i imagine if i make 90kg my training weight it will do good things for my strength, without actually doing RSR proper since it would have me using something like 80kg which is too light imho to do much for me.


My back has been hurting since last week. Im putting it down to the dunks i did out of the blue :( Hopefully it will be gone by friday cause i wanna start seriously progressing my squats.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1902 on: June 19, 2014, 07:24:34 am »
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If im a double leg jumper, shud i still b doing lots of 1 leg jumps? Y?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1903 on: June 19, 2014, 08:38:26 am »
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Do you want to get better at 1 leg jumps? If not I'd just stick to DL.

I don't see any benefit to training something you're not going to use.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1904 on: June 19, 2014, 08:43:58 am »
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Well, guess it's time for him to walk on two feet from now on. Hop on the streets like a bird. No need for any unilateral stuff.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps