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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #720 on: March 01, 2013, 08:36:54 am »
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at 6.3 you want to cut down to 155 ? man I´m 6.1 with 160 at 6-7% bodyfat. Why you want your bodyweight that low ?

Everyone is different! For everyone who is above average in lean mass there will be someone on the other side of the average. I'm on the other side, it happens, it's normal.... haha
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Re: chasing athleticism -RHW1D1
« Reply #721 on: March 01, 2013, 09:49:12 am »
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Training
FS 3Fx108, 4Fx103
BS 2x6x97.5
OHP 2x5x54
WCU 3x95, 4x92.5, 4x90, 5x85, 5x82.5
DJ 3x5x7"

FS notes:
Late night last night cost me the PR today.Annoyed with myself. Will get 3x108 (PR) and 5x103 on sunday.

BS notes:
I decided to keep up the 2.5kg jumps up to 100kg, then i'll go to 2kg jumps.

Depth jumps:
Started these. I hope they make a difference. Form check video below:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EyNLeQEX7U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EyNLeQEX7U</a>

let me know what I can improve, I don't even know what a depth jump is to be honest just guessed.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #722 on: March 01, 2013, 10:37:36 am »
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You need to drop off, not jump off the box. Drop off it and once you hit the ground immediately jump up.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #723 on: March 01, 2013, 11:47:42 am »
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You need to drop off, not jump off the box. Drop off it and once you hit the ground immediately jump up.

yes. here are some good ones from a guy who used to log here:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ4WGEoN9FE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ4WGEoN9FE</a>
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #724 on: March 01, 2013, 11:53:04 am »
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Me back in the day:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfqtcKajiEI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfqtcKajiEI</a>
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #725 on: March 01, 2013, 12:20:17 pm »
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Noted, i'll copy the form above. Thanks!

Btw LBSS i remember reading in your log a long time ago about running into a jump but at the last second just abruptly coming to a stop. Is that a thing I should try as well?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #726 on: March 01, 2013, 12:50:54 pm »
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Noted, i'll copy the form above. Thanks!

Btw LBSS i remember reading in your log a long time ago about running into a jump but at the last second just abruptly coming to a stop. Is that a thing I should try as well?

nah don't bother. i can't remember who suggested that. i tried it a few times but your time is better spent on other things.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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chasing athleticism -RHW1D2
« Reply #727 on: March 03, 2013, 09:54:52 am »
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Training
FS 3x108 (PR), 5x103
BS 2x6x100
BP 3x6x70
SVJx2x5, RVJ 3x5 (PR see notes below)

FS notes:
Good sign that the triple wasn't an RM. I think I had another rep in me! Hopefully I can drive my triple up and over 110kg next week.

BS notes:
These are getting heavy/hard. I want to keep my BS going but not sure how I'll do that. Either way that was probably the last 2.5kg jump, i mean I could probably force 2x6x102.5 next time, but I don't seem me getting 105 the following session. So maybe it's time to go 2kg jumps now. Will see.

BP notes:
Love and hate relationship with bp continues. Today was a better day. Think my pec problems are now in the distance. Thank God!

Jump notes:
Started off real sluggish, couldn't land any 1 hand dunks, svj or rvj. But i think the ball was slippery or something. So i switched to two hands. That worked better. Changed up my dunk approach, tried from the sides. I like these a lot.

Then tried something completely different, an RVJ double hand reverse. Got it! My first non-trivial dunk. Although it's probably still a trivial dunk for anyone who can dunk, but to the non-discerning eye it probably looks a lot more impressive. Wish I had video but was too dark. Best part is I can do it consistently, so it goes in my bag of dunks which now has 3 dunks. Haha. Can't wait to try that in the gym!

My friend saw my front squat PR and said I did well but that I'm really skinny and I need to gain weight. What you guys have been telling me all along. I told him I will do just that come winter, just need to get this (never ending) cut finished first. Id like to get into the 150s by end of March. That would make me happy. But is it too ambitious? Probably not achievable but it gives me something to aim for..
« Last Edit: March 03, 2013, 11:02:13 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #728 on: March 05, 2013, 02:44:18 am »
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My training has evolved. That time off during injury has showed me how much my body appreciated rest. My knees feel great. No aches and pains anywhere which used to be there all the time. I will be working regular weeks off for rest maybe once after every 4 weeks or whenever I need it really, whichever makes most sense.

Slowly getting back to where I was pre-injury on the scale, weighed 168 today. Still a bit bloated but it's going away as my body adjusts to cutting. I'm struggling with hunger which always happens at the start of diet before adapting.

I'm tempted to practice dunking today but i'll be patient and rest because I want to get some nice PRs tomorrow. If I can get FS 3x110 & 5x105 PRs i'll be thrilled. And then there is also backsquat to progress as well. Yes i'll definitely rest today for what's to come tomorrow.
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Re: chasing athleticism -RHW2D1
« Reply #729 on: March 06, 2013, 09:06:32 am »
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Training
FS 5x105 (PR), 5x100
BS 2x6x102, 4x6x80
OHP 2x5x55, 5x50, 8x45

FS notes:
Finally got the 105 fiver!! I wasn't up to it mentally today but somehow it happened. I'll take it. Hungry for more PRs this week. Bring it on.

BS notes:
Just re-realising why I abandoned backsquat. I'm the worlds worst backsquatter :(  I feel an incredible amount of torque on my lower back (spine) on the backsquat. I simply don't have that in front squats. The other thing is, most people say good squatter can front squat 90% of their olympic backsquat. Here I am struggling with backsquatting a weight LIGHTER than my front squat. WTF. I'm just not build for this lift. I give up. I don't get how other ppl can work their way easily to squatting 3 plates and some while i'm struggling around 2. I feel as though I should at least work up to 2x6x115 but how??

OHP notes:
Going to try devoting more attention to overhead press. Chasing a big bench didn't work, i'm a better overhead presser than bench presser, let me give ohp a chance now.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2013, 09:02:31 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #730 on: March 06, 2013, 09:31:41 am »
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better than me
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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Re: chasing athleticism -RHW2D1
« Reply #731 on: March 06, 2013, 12:53:10 pm »
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Training
FS 5x105 (PR), 5x100
BS 2x6x102, 4x6x80
OHP 2x5x55, 5x50, 8x45

FS notes:
Finally got the 105 fiver!! I wasn't up to it mentally today but somehow it happened. I'll take it. Hungry for more PRs this week. Bring it on.

BS notes:
Just re-realising why I abandoned backsquat. I'm the worlds worst backsquatter :(  I feel an incredible amount of torque on my lower back (spine) on the backsquat. I simply don't have that in front squats. The other thing is, most people say good squatter can front squat 90% of their olympic backsquat. Here I am struggling with backsquatting a weight LIGHTER than my front squat. WTF. I'm just not build for this lift. I give up. I don't get how other ppl can work their way easily to squatting 3 plates and some while i'm struggling around 2. I feel as though I should at least work up to 2x6x115 but how??

OHP notes:
Going to try devoting more attention to overhead press. Chasing a big bench didn't work, i'm a better overhead presser than bench presser, let me give ohp a chance now.

eat strong. squat strong.

your diet sucks. your back squat form is pretty good. i've seen 6'2 / 220lb gym rats who can barely quarter squat 225lb. your poundage is not so bad for a twig. lol

if you are not inflexible, maybe you just need to focus on keeping your whole torso / spine as one solid unit while breaking the knees/hips. point top of the head straight up and let everything else follow it through the range of motion.

5'10" | 202lbs | 44 yrs
reach - 7'8" (92") |paused full squat - 545x1| standing VJ - 40"|

walk more. resting HR to low 40s. 

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Re: chasing athleticism -RHW2D1
« Reply #732 on: March 07, 2013, 12:26:33 am »
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Training
FS 5x105 (PR), 5x100
BS 2x6x102, 4x6x80
OHP 2x5x55, 5x50, 8x45

FS notes:
Finally got the 105 fiver!! I wasn't up to it mentally today but somehow it happened. I'll take it. Hungry for more PRs this week. Bring it on.

BS notes:
Just re-realising why I abandoned backsquat. I'm the worlds worst backsquatter :(  I feel an incredible amount of torque on my lower back (spine) on the backsquat. I simply don't have that in front squats. The other thing is, most people say good squatter can front squat 90% of their olympic backsquat. Here I am struggling with backsquatting a weight LIGHTER than my front squat. WTF. I'm just not build for this lift. I give up. I don't get how other ppl can work their way easily to squatting 3 plates and some while i'm struggling around 2. I feel as though I should at least work up to 2x6x115 but how??

OHP notes:
Going to try devoting more attention to overhead press. Chasing a big bench didn't work, i'm a better overhead presser than bench presser, let me give ohp a chance now.

Post a video back squat video from the side.  I imagine you lack a bit of ankle flexibility (or don't own good oly shoes) but are religious about hitting good depth which causes you to round your low back hard to keep from falling backwards on your backsquat.   WIth the bar in front you can hit that really deep without rounding your back.   Try this test:

Squat down in front of a mirror but let yourself go on your tiptoes (think of a catcher in baseball).  Look at your back in the mirror and notice that it is perfectly perfectly straight up and down.   Now try and get your heels on the ground while maintaining the same back angle but shooting your knees farther past your toes.  If you cant get your shin angles appropriate to allow this you can do two things.

1) Get some decent olympic shoes, they will help a lot already.
2) Stop squatting artificially deep.  Build up to it.  Unrack the weight with the bar on your back and slowly descend by breaking at this hips/knees simultaneously  and letting your knees go forward to keep your back one solid unit.  Don't release tension, don't go so low your back rounds out.  Slowly get into this position where you maintain tension and you will feel your shins "stretching" and your weight on the ball of your foot.  Pause for a few seconds and explode up.  Continuing doing pause squats where you are congizant of your knee angles and your straight back... your ankle flexibility WILL improve and you will be able to hit more and more depth without sacrificing your tightness. 

Also, get some oly shoes.   I commend you for squatting ATG, but you can't combine your method with standard PL squatting advice (knees behind toes, break at hips, keep weight on the heels).   You are training a squat for which has a lot of athletic bang for the buck.  But it's not orthodox, the weight is on the ball of the foot and your knees should travel far past your toes.   Like front-squatting, this isn't the most efficient way to move big weight... but you will jump higher if you keep at it.


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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #733 on: March 07, 2013, 05:19:20 am »
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I think your form is fine it's just that you're really skinny. At 6'3 165 you're not going to be putting up good numbers. I'm actually surprised that you can front squat as much as you can- good neural efficiency. Even if you were heavy though most tall people aren't made to squat in the first place. Of course there are some massive squatters that are tall but pretty much all of them are 265+lbs or have a squat build (short limbs, long torso), or usually both. So really it's just a mixture of all those reasons. If you put on 60lbs you'd probs be squatting 350-400lbs but like you said there would be no point in that because it'd be detrimental for your athleticism.
At the end of the day I wouldn't even worry about it too much. Like you said you're increasing your athleticism without the back squat. The back squat is just a tool it's not the be all end all. Everybody would like a high squat to brag about but if you can get the results without it than fuk it.
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Re: chasing athleticism -RHW2D1
« Reply #734 on: March 07, 2013, 06:08:22 am »
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BS notes:
I don't get how other ppl can work their way easily to squatting 3 plates and some while i'm struggling around 2. I feel as though I should at least work up to 2x6x115 but how??

eat strong. squat strong.

your diet sucks. your back squat form is pretty good. i've seen 6'2 / 220lb gym rats who can barely quarter squat 225lb. your poundage is not so bad for a twig. lol

if you are not inflexible, maybe you just need to focus on keeping your whole torso / spine as one solid unit while breaking the knees/hips. point top of the head straight up and let everything else follow it through the range of motion.

Do you think I need more muscle mass to squat say 5x115kg? I can front squat over 120kg, I should be able to backsquat more than that even at my twig-weight .. right? That's what's bothering me because fine I don't have the muscle mass to squat 400, but i have enough muscle to front squat >120kg, shouldn't I be able to backsquat say ~135kg/300lb (to take 90% of backsquat). But if I was a 135kg backsquatter I wouldn't be struggling with backsquatting low 100kgs..?

I might have a flexibility issue. But i can post a video of me front squatting ATG with decent form. So you'd think I have the flexibility for backsquat, esp since the depth is higher on the backsquat.

Post a video back squat video from the side.  I imagine you lack a bit of ankle flexibility (or don't own good oly shoes) but are religious about hitting good depth which causes you to round your low back hard to keep from falling backwards on your backsquat.   WIth the bar in front you can hit that really deep without rounding your back.

Added the video back to my earlier post, please have a look. I don't ATG on backsquat, not militant about depth on backsquat as long as it's below parallel i'm happy. I save my deep squatting for the front squat which comes  naturally to me. I do use oly shoes, and I think i have the ankle mobility because I can front squat deep fine.

But having said that I might still have a problem with mobility all the same because my backsquat looks very assymetric, i favour my strong left side a lot. I just don't know what, or how to fix it.

I think your form is fine it's just that you're really skinny. At 6'3 165 you're not going to be putting up good numbers. I'm actually surprised that you can front squat as much as you can- good neural efficiency. Even if you were heavy though most tall people aren't made to squat in the first place. Of course there are some massive squatters that are tall but pretty much all of them are 265+lbs or have a squat build (short limbs, long torso), or usually both. So really it's just a mixture of all those reasons. If you put on 60lbs you'd probs be squatting 350-400lbs but like you said there would be no point in that because it'd be detrimental for your athleticism.
At the end of the day I wouldn't even worry about it too much. Like you said you're increasing your athleticism without the back squat. The back squat is just a tool it's not the be all end all. Everybody would like a high squat to brag about but if you can get the results without it than fuk it.
I accept that I wont be squatting shitloads at my bodyweight. No argument there. My problem is with my BS/FS ratio. It should be >1 and i must be the only person where it's less. I find it perplexing that my backsquat is lighter than my front squat. That's unheard of, because universally backsquat should be a lot stronger. Add to the fact that I go deeper on front squats than I do on backsquat and it becomes even harder to understand.
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