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Bodyweight: 75kg
Activity: 8000+ units

Rest day. Gna try to walk my way to some decent FL tho.

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Found out something disappointing, my basketball season effectively ends this week Cos we didnt make finals (in either team), no more games after tue and thurs. That means I have 2 weeks off before the easter weekend comp. I can deal with one week break (will just practice) but 2 is much. Hopefully can sort something out for that 2nd week. It annoys me that I played a shitload of basketball this summer of pointless games but when I really need to get match time experience, I run out of season lol. Typical.

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Thinking of taking up drinking coffee or tea or something, i'm going to make some long term changes to the way I see food & drink. If can learn to enjoy a cup of tea much more instead of say a chocolate bar, i can keep the fat from piling back on once i come off cutting.

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Got some no sugar hot chocolate powder. It tasted better with whey than just hot water, but with whey i have to be careful not to curdle from the heat otherwise it tastes off. So will experiment and get the formula right. Also tried plain cocao with whey in cold milk and it wouldnt even mix but im not sure that was that nice but i will see if its an acquired taste

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Quote from: maxent on March 19, 2017, 09:14:29 pm

Thinking of taking up drinking coffee or tea or something, i'm going to make some long term changes to the way I see food & drink. If can learn to enjoy a cup of tea much more instead of say a chocolate bar, i can keep the fat from piling back on once i come off cutting.

Coffee is a wonderful thing. Can definitely replace a meal as it's an appetite suppressant. That's if you can get away with black coffee or if you're happy with the half a cup of milk thrown in.

Not completely unrelated my go to meal the last two months has been greek yoghurt. Throw your protein powder in, some berries and popcorn. Yes popcorn. Top with granola or cacao nibs if you're feeling frisky. Sounds weird but is delicious.

Yah I think low cal is okay, doesn't have to be zero. But obv there is no room for Starbucks sized desserts masquerading as beverages on a sensible diet (~2000kcal/day) for me. Will try your yoghurt idea.

Bodyweight: 74kg
Activity: 7847 (2344)

Yikes, glad this thing is winding down, im ready for a change up. I miss being able to run and jump well, which is impossible on these diets.

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feel suicidal today.. fk this shit, better be worth it by the end

Bodyweight: 74kg
Activity: 7847 (2344)

Yikes, glad this thing is winding down, im ready for a change up. I miss being able to run and jump well, which is impossible on these diets.

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feel suicidal today.. fk this shit, better be worth it by the end

That's not good!

The usual advice is for skinnyfat people to clean bulk as muscle helps burn calories. As the late ZYZZ said 'abs on a skinny person are the same as big tits on a fat chick- they don't count'. The dieting is probably fucking up your metabolism as well. I'm preaching to the choir here but you should start a clean bulk with a moderately high protein intake and add some more volume into your lifting. At the moment your going backwards. Your athleticism is suffering, your strength has plunged, and you could well drop down to 70kg and still not be lean enough to meet your satisfaction. Surely you wouldn't want to drop down below 70kg (154lbs) at 6'3!!!

Let me just put this number out there, 72.5kg. That's where I am coming to but I was avoiding mentioning it here because I expected it would cause some consternation. Haha, so much for that. There's a whole host of factors to weigh up, constantly making compromises and trade offs and trying to balance things out is exhausting.

FWIW it's not too hard to understand cause and affect. I was struggling yesterday b/c sleep was impaired and b/c i over reached with the overhead presses and reintroduction of sprints. But i'll adapt, more or less.

Mutumbo, i'm not skinny fat. I'm just fat. And skinny. But not skinny-fat, there's a diff. Will be lean after i lose a few more kilos (somewhere between 75 and 70kg bw) and then im done cutting. Wont take long, im not wasting time with this stuff, have a wicked deficit going (1 meal a day, 140g of protein, zero fat, zero carb). Plus taking all the supplements and averaging over 6k units of activity a day. Cost of this PSMF is training suffers, cant jump or run fast, will put up it with in the short term but it's not something I have to live with it longer than the duration of the cut. If I have to weigh 70kg to be lean then so be it, it's not my desire to be that light but i'll play the (genetic) cards ive been dealt, no complaining lol.

acole I appreciate the advice, it's good generic advice. I'd give the same advice in your position. It just so happens that it is not fit for purpose. I'm an individual and individuals need tailored advice, that's where the difference arises in practice.Not saying someone else my height should be 70kg but I have to be. I wish i was a lean 90kg like Coges but wishing doesn't make it so. So i'll diet down to whatever low bodyweight (prob in the interval 72.5kg - 70kg), maintain that bodyfat level for a while then try to get up to a lean 80kg. Maybe with steroids, I think I will have demonstrated the right to take them in that case, it's not cheating it's levelling the playing field if i have to take drugs to ONLY weigh 10kg less than someone else athletic my height (eg Coges). But i'll try it naturally first (ofc).

Chris, dont get hung up on the height thing tho. Unless you're comparing someone low to mid 5ft with someone mid to high 6ft, we're practically the same organisms. It makes sense to scale out bw with height but not always, there are limitations, im def in the category where it doesn't make sense to.

Mate thanks for using me as an example of someone you think is lean. I currently weigh between 89 and 90 and estimate myself between 13-15% bf on any given day. The way I look varies that much it’s not funny. 7-8 years ago I was 75g dripping wet. Little to no muscle tone and was repeatedly told I was skinny but I felt fat. I had no bulk at all in the upper body.  I got my bodyfat done twice and was sub 12% both times but looked like I was in the 18-20% range. I’m carrying more fat now but far more muscle too and the difference is night and day. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy eh.

Btw, you are not a unique snowflake. You are not the only one who has ever had issues trying to lose fat and gain muscle from a disadvantaged starting point. It’s comforting to think you’re all alone and the world doesn’t know what you’re going through cause it gives you an out. The real story is you have body dysmorphia and a bad relationship with food.

Look at your IG post from October 2016 when you dunked shirtless post game. You are not cut but you are certainly not fat. I would say you look athletic and wiry and in the 15-16% range. You weighed 81.8kg and had just squatted 8 sets of 2 @ 140kg for a raw, beltless 1.7xbw squat. That same day, and I quote, you said “i dont really think i shud be using 80kg as the bodyweight -- 85kg makes more sense as my ideal bodyweight, where im maximally strong AND athletic..” 3 days later you go low carb and state you’re trying to get under 81 and recomp to 80. Some days I look in the mirror and think I’m a fat fuck and other days I look ripped. I then tell myself to shut the fuck up and get on with my day. Makes life so much easier.

As Acole said, everyone here wants to see you succeed which is why we keep posting shit in your forum and trying to get through to you. Take what you will from all these posts but one thing is clear and that is you need some change. What’s the worst that can happen?