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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2850 on: April 30, 2016, 06:06:32 am »
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I'll never understand how people do this... you weigh your food on a scale or what? And if so, how come this site has the foods that you eat? And if so, how do you know what the food contains (for example, if you eat pork soup, how do you know how much meat is in it and how much it is water and vegetables?)

And so on and so forth. Seems impossible or it would probably take hours every day to make this. Not to mention foods have weird names that I have to translate.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2851 on: April 30, 2016, 06:21:02 am »
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It doesn't have them all, i often have to fill in entries. But yeah it's mainly US-centric. Theres calorieking.com.au -- that's out of date and poorly maintained so myfitnesspal is the best choice available, even though it's pretty bad too and often crashes, esp at busy times of the day.

You weigh. I got my digital food scales a while ago and weigh everything even protein shakes( is one scoop really one scoop? ALmost never).  But once oyu've done it for one day, the next day you can just copy the previous days. nd you can save meals to make it easy to load in cals for the day.

Ive tried doing it on paper but it's not as convenient. In future better technology will mean you can just scan a food item and get all the deets  easily and effortlessly .. we have barcodes now but that's not what im talking about, i mean actually getting the macros off a label automatically not by looking up an item in a database..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2852 on: April 30, 2016, 06:34:18 am »
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Yeah that would be amazing.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2853 on: April 30, 2016, 10:44:35 am »
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Beware the variance in the macros on the labels.  It is not trivial.  It's almost great enough to make logging at this level sort of useless if you eat a lot of labeled food...  They only way you can really log food is if your diet consists mostly of rice and chicken breasts.... Like a bodybuilder...

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2854 on: April 30, 2016, 10:51:22 am »
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Beware the variance in the macros on the labels.  It is not trivial.  It's almost great enough to make logging at this level sort of useless if you eat a lot of labeled food...  They only way you can really log food is if your diet consists mostly of rice and chicken breasts.... Like a bodybuilder...

central limit theorem to the rescue? But i think it would be beneficial for raptor to do some tracking .. just to get an idea.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2855 on: April 30, 2016, 10:56:38 am »
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Today i have asymmetric glute doms. On the RHS only. Not left. New exercise was the plate swings. That's kinda interesting
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2856 on: April 30, 2016, 11:35:32 am »
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Beware the variance in the macros on the labels.  It is not trivial.  It's almost great enough to make logging at this level sort of useless if you eat a lot of labeled food...  They only way you can really log food is if your diet consists mostly of rice and chicken breasts.... Like a bodybuilder...

central limit theorem to the rescue? But i think it would be beneficial for raptor to do some tracking .. just to get an idea.

Lol... Not really the central limit theorem that you referring to...

But yeah if you residuals were normal you would be ok... But the problem is that they might not necessarily be, rather packaged my consistently miscounting macros and so you get compounding errors...

All that aside I 100% agree with you.  Raptor would benefit from tracking sooo much.  A lot more than you in fact.  IMO the more tracking seems like a daunting pain the the ass the more you should do it...  If you never have it will teach you how much you eat, what satietes you, when your actually hungry, where sneaky calories occur, etc.   For a tracking vet like you it starts to become unnecessary because you have a feel for what makes you overeat or not... IMO your ballpark feel is probably good enough that you could save a bit of time and just go by feel and let yourself gain a lil muscle without tracking every calorie... The tracking gave u the discipline and understanding not to track is how I look at it...   For raptor I think that and the ability to learn what submax adaptation (you too on this one) are the best changes he can possibly make!

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2857 on: May 01, 2016, 12:36:47 am »
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That trip last weekend really set me back. Injury and poor workouts and my motivation suffers, which I thought i could out-recover by eating but I should know better by now that it only helps a little and not as much. 

Scale read 82.9kg / 182.8lb.  ... i need to stop .. it's not worth it.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2858 on: May 01, 2016, 05:47:50 am »
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BS 2x110 (lol), 1x130
RDL 8x110, 8x150, 0Fx192.5
BHT 8x150

Anoda bad workout. I give up lol
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2859 on: May 03, 2016, 02:14:01 am »
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Lol at my luck. I tweaked my ankle last night at home, on the doormat, leaving to drive to the petrol station  :uhhhfacepalm:
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2860 on: May 03, 2016, 05:31:26 pm »
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 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2861 on: May 03, 2016, 10:34:32 pm »
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Lol at my luck. I tweaked my ankle last night at home, on the doormat, leaving to drive to the petrol station  :uhhhfacepalm:

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2862 on: May 04, 2016, 03:45:15 am »
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Lol at my luck. I tweaked my ankle last night at home, on the doormat, leaving to drive to the petrol station  :uhhhfacepalm:

isBad?

 :'(

Nope! I rested it yesterday, took training off. Hoping it will be good to run/jump/lift on today. Lets see how it goes
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2863 on: May 04, 2016, 04:54:02 am »
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SO i dont know if it's the rest or what .. but holy crap do i look "jacked" lately .. upper body, legs, all of it! My shoulders and arms look bigger cold than they wud after a workout pumped.  I wonder if i missed a beat in doing TOO muh training and sacrificing gains of muscle? Less is more?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2864 on: May 04, 2016, 05:42:41 am »
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SO i dont know if it's the rest or what .. but holy crap do i look "jacked" lately .. upper body, legs, all of it! My shoulders and arms look bigger cold than they wud after a workout pumped.  I wonder if i missed a beat in doing TOO muh training and sacrificing gains of muscle? Less is more?

LOL.  Highly unlikely.  Hate to break it to you but you didn't just put on a bunch of muscle.  Nor have you ever put on much actual muscle tissue.

Rule of thumb.  How you look == What you ate.  How you perform == how you trained.   

What I mean is if you wrote "Holy crap I was jumping out the gym today I felt soooo light - even though I took some days off training and haven't squatted n two days!... maybe less is more?"

Then my answer would be - yes.  Allowing enough recovery for you to super compensate allowed you to improve your athletic ability.  In this case less is more.

BUT... when you are focused on how you look in the mirror in the short term the answer almost always involves two things; salt or sugar (carbs).  Look at your journal.  You are perpetually eating under maintenance (this actually does sacrifice your ability to gain muscle) in your quest to not be fat and be 165...  But recently you fell off the wagon and gorged and went above 180lbs.  Your actually had a full gut for the first time in awhile.  Now that food has moved from your gut and you are carb loaded and since you are lean this makes a dramatic difference in your appearance.  Before and after pictures of bodybuilders who carb load are ridiculous. Carb loaded at low bodyfat will make you look jacked. 

It's not the lack of training though (except for in so far as not training maybe lowered TDEE slightly so your effective net caloric intake was higher) - in fact it's more likely you don't train often enough to build muscle - not the other way around.