Author Topic: chasing athleticism (Read 1463321 times)

maxent · « **Reply #2625 on:** March 15, 2016, 05:25:15 am »

BS 1x135.5(LPR), 2x122.5, 6x107.5, 6x102.5
BP 2x92.5, 3x85, 6x80, 6x79.5, 6x77.5

Bball training
HIIT sprints 6x(20s on, 20s off @ 93.5kg)
TM run 1.5km in 10 mins @ 9km/hr (@ 93.5kg), 2km in 20 mins

Feeling pretty rough .. i rested sun-mon, but weighted vest walking on saturday gave me some weird back tendinitisisisisi that's still lingering fml.

maxent · « **Reply #2626 on:** March 15, 2016, 09:50:33 am »

So i was a bit worried that the gainz from WV dunking were transient and only around as potentiating ones, to disappear if one didn't use the WV. But tonight I realised i could dunk just as well without first using the vest. That's good! Funny thing happened, there was a guy trying pretty hard to dunk while we were shooting around.. and he was getting pretty close. And i felt bad that i could dunk so easily and he seemed to get demotivated and he left. I didn't mean to discourage him and he doesn't know how hard I worked to get my gains. Speaking of which, another guy said to me, "It helps to be tall hey?" -- as if the only reason i can dunk is because im tall. I tried to enter into a raptor-esque dialogue about starting off with a natural 20" vertical but it seemed like was going to fall on deaf ears. Of course the only reason i can dunk is because im tall.. everyone knows that right? They dont know that i didn't get my first dunk until my late 20s and i tried pretty hard in my teens and 20s to dunk but i never could reach further than than just grabbing the rim which is where i was at at 16-17. He doesn't know all the hours i put into training so i could actually do this stuff .. but nevermind, people just gloss over that and are content to attribute it to things like height which i didn't have any control over.

vag · « **Reply #2627 on:** March 15, 2016, 10:30:17 am »

Once i was at the park doing jumps at the 9'10'' rim. I was touching a few inches below wrist at the time. A guy comes , he says "wanna play"? I say "nah , im just here to jump". At my break, he jumps too. He barely touched backboard. He says "can you dunk?". I say "sometimes". He asks "how toll are you"? I say 6'1''. He says "ohhhh, that explains it" with a huge relief.
PS : He was 6' or at least 5'11''!!!

Another much sweeter story, at the same park. I am dunking, all the other courts are taken, a dad comes with his little daughter, they ask if they can shoot hoops at my court, i say of course, i will just do a few more dunk attempts and leave anyway. At my next dunk ( don't even remember if it was miss or make ) the little girl says "wow, congratulations mister, you are very tall!"!
I kindly thanked her.

LBSS · « **Reply #2628 on:** March 15, 2016, 10:43:08 am »

true, true.

still, i'd kill for two inches more of reach.

Mikey · « **Reply #2629 on:** March 15, 2016, 10:48:19 am »

Quote from: vag on March 15, 2016, 10:30:17 am

Once i was at the park doing jumps at the 9'10'' rim. I was touching a few inches below wrist at the time. A guy comes , he says "wanna play"? I say "nah , im just here to jump". At my break, he jumps too. He barely touched backboard. He says "can you dunk?". I say "sometimes". He asks "how toll are you"? I say 6'1''. He says "ohhhh, that explains it" with a huge relief.
PS : He was 6' or at least 5'11''!!!

Another much sweeter story, at the same park. I am dunking, all the other courts are taken, a dad comes with his little daughter, they ask if they can shoot hoops at my court, i say of course, i will just do a few more dunk attempts and leave anyway. At my next dunk ( don't even remember if it was miss or make ) the little girl says "wow, congratulations mister, you are very tall!"!
I kindly thanked her.

That's just embarrassing for the 5'11 guy. Fair enough if he can grab rim on a regulation size rim, but to barely be able to touch backboard on a 9'10 rim

maxent · « **Reply #2630 on:** March 15, 2016, 11:18:57 am »

I know i left it last minute .. but i have 10 days til the comp and i need to learn how to play basketball. help!

things i need to work on

1. jumpshot
2. handles
3. defence
4. passing

in no particular order.

for my jumper today i put up some 3s from around 3/4 court .. i figure if i can make those kinda regularly i will make a normal 3pt submax. i know the usual basketball wisdom is to start close to the rim and move out but normal basketball advice is dumb and i dont see how shooting a perfect shot from near the rim helps you shoot a 3 - cause it doesn't, i know from experience lol.

Coges · « **Reply #2631 on:** March 15, 2016, 07:55:15 pm »

bump

Quote from: T0ddday on March 10, 2016, 09:30:02 pm

Anterior tibial soreness not from deceleration!
Suicides are stupid.
I know why you have trouble in game dunking.
I will add more later (remind me if i forget).
Very excited by your progress.

Coges · « **Reply #2632 on:** March 15, 2016, 08:09:07 pm »

Quote from: maxent on March 15, 2016, 11:18:57 am

I know i left it last minute .. but i have 10 days til the comp and i need to learn how to play basketball. help!

things i need to work on

1. jumpshot
2. handles
3. defence
4. passing

in no particular order.

for my jumper today i put up some 3s from around 3/4 court .. i figure if i can make those kinda regularly i will make a normal 3pt submax. i know the usual basketball wisdom is to start close to the rim and move out but normal basketball advice is dumb and i dont see how shooting a perfect shot from near the rim helps you shoot a 3 - cause it doesn't, i know from experience lol.

Shooting 3's from 3/4 court will not help you for a normal 3 (in the short term). You need to create reliable, consistent mechanics that become automatic. IMO having a reliable shot from 15ft (free throw line distance) is much more preferable than a less than reliable 3 ball. With your height and vert you should be able to take most people off 1 dribble for a pull up shot from 15 ft.

I think the biggest bang for buck you can get in a short time frame is doing the simple things well. Good defense, movement without the ball, defensive dribbling (protecting the ball).

maxent · « **Reply #2633 on:** March 16, 2016, 01:24:25 am »

I think it may help in the way that it strengthens the shooting muscles of hte arm (biceps) and once adapted, i'll be stronger and more adapted to shooting and can shoot jumpers from closer to the 3pt line easier .. atm it's a bit challenging. I'll experiment and see though. I have in the past suggested to kids to shoot closer to the rim cause they were trying to shoot outside their range and with bad mechanics but i dont think that applies to me.. my mechanics are mostly the same, it's just fatigue sets in perhaps .. and i have to expend more force/effort than necessary with more shots

maxent · « **Reply #2634 on:** March 16, 2016, 01:39:39 am »

BW: 75.6kg/166.67lb

When you're eating >250g of protein a day, bodyweight does kinda go up .. just from having all that food in the gut. But i'm still endevouring to maintaining a caloric deficit for the last 9 days .. hopeful about rocking to the tournament leaner, stronger, fitter. Faster too.

As of today i'll try to spend some time at the basketball court every day. Shooting around and other skill work mainly, haven't got a structured idea for how to do this yet but i'll come up with something. Was thinking double the number of jumpers i take every time which is either dumb or exactly what i need. will see how it goes.

I'm also going to work with driving to the R while dribbling with the R hand. I'm strong going L with my L hand but i need to balance that out on the R side so i have more scoring options.

vag · « **Reply #2635 on:** March 16, 2016, 05:22:32 am »

Quote from: maxent on February 17, 2016, 06:55:59 am

JS 6x150 (PR), 8x150 (PR)

Aaaaaaaand the comeback begins! I did the heavy JS because fuck cargo cultism. It's perfectly safe.

Quote from: maxent on March 10, 2016, 10:57:33 am

I'm also thinking it might help to use the weight vest when i run the suicides, cause it will be make it more psychologically tenable to me cause I loathe basketball drills and think basketball training is invented by and for dumb ppl in a cargo cult fashion.

Quote from: maxent on March 15, 2016, 11:18:57 am

for my jumper today i put up some 3s from around 3/4 court .. i figure if i can make those kinda regularly i will make a normal 3pt submax. i know the usual basketball wisdom is to start close to the rim and move out but normal basketball advice is dumb and i dont see how shooting a perfect shot from near the rim helps you shoot a 3 - cause it doesn't, i know from experience lol.

Too much fuck-cargo in this journal. Doing 150kg jump squats when half the forum adviced you not to, not doing bball drills when you need to improve bball skills and building shooting mechanics the opposite way ( outside your range ) is not smart. Neither improvising or experimenting. It is plain avishek-style-stupid.
I am NOT calling you stupid, I think you are very smart. You know what i am saying.

maxent · « **Reply #2636 on:** March 16, 2016, 06:46:10 am »

^tmr im gna do 170kg jump squats vag . .haha.

maxent · « **Reply #2637 on:** March 16, 2016, 06:58:22 am »

Here is the thing about my jumper, it's pretty much automatic at the elbows. However. I want to extend my range out to the 3pt line and to use the conventional approach of moving out a little doesn't really do it cause no one wants to shoot long 2s, not just cause it's a bad shot but because it's subconscious to avoid it and I don't really want to learn the movement pattern which i dont want. So i extend out beyond the arc to make the 3pt line submax or more closer to the elbow jumper mechanically and in terms of effort. But im not sure if i'll be able to get a decent 3pt shot in the time frame I have. I will try though.

Today i picked up some ankle weights. +2kg. Put them on and wont take them off til 10days. It won't make much of a difference but it's something. Additionally it might help me get that 100kg dunk which may or may not mean anythign except purely an ego exercise because +20kg with the vest is still short of 100kg. Last time i drank a lot of water in lieu of 100kg and had to come home cause needed to go to the bathroom lol. I do think the best weighted dunking / running / training comes around 85-90kg which is with the last row of weights removed -- also helps ROM and maintaining a natural movement.

maxent · « **Reply #2638 on:** March 16, 2016, 09:32:42 am »

If i have the opportunity, i was thinking of doing some heavy ass quarter/half squats to unstick my sticking point on backsquats. I'm not sure i have the time or opportunity to do so though. But it was something i was considering. My quads aren't fatigued as i theorised .. i think they're just stupidly weak and detrained/untrained atm .. normally my squat prob takes care of them .. however i haven't been squatting enough volume , or at least enough volume heavy.

Coges · « **Reply #2639 on:** March 16, 2016, 09:22:30 pm »

Quote from: maxent on March 16, 2016, 06:58:22 am

Here is the thing about my jumper, it's pretty much automatic at the elbows. However. I want to extend my range out to the 3pt line and to use the conventional approach of moving out a little doesn't really do it cause no one wants to shoot long 2s, not just cause it's a bad shot but because it's subconscious to avoid it and I don't really want to learn the movement pattern which i dont want. So i extend out beyond the arc to make the 3pt line submax or more closer to the elbow jumper mechanically and in terms of effort. But im not sure if i'll be able to get a decent 3pt shot in the time frame I have. I will try though.

That's kind of ass backwards though. In the time that you do have just shoot the standard 3 ball. If you start 2-3m outside the 3pt line then you have to adjust coming back in. Makes no sense. Especially if you're trying to up your game in a week.

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