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chasing windmills (W3D3)
« Reply #2490 on: January 29, 2016, 02:31:50 am »
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BW: 77.9kg / 171.74lb (2016 PR)

Still losing weight steadily even though im not doing the crazy fasted weighted walks + hardcore lowcarb diet. I'm well on track to get to 77kg.
Not looking forward to training today. Woke up with super red eyes, dont think ive slept ... feeling pretty beat up .. need sleep. But i will FORCE some PRs today cause i cant stand the thought of a whole week of training WASTED. So whatever the case, ima manage that!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2491 on: January 29, 2016, 04:56:22 am »
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Quote from: maxent on January 29, 2016, 01:09:46 am
^I get ya that playing bball would carry over better but summer is stupidly popular and I should have reached out to teams earlier (maybe before xmas) .. i cant find any place to play at the moment :( It's actually starting to worry me because I don't think i will be able to get in good basketball shape (skill wise and conditioning being equally important) in time for the late march tournament. But short of doing drills and whatnot .. this is something I can tack on to the end of every gym training session. For now it will have to do but sooner rather than later I do need to get more specific!!

Since you realize how far from optimal it is, why not make the easy modification necessary to make it far closer to optimal?  Even just changing your cardio to repeated half miles w 3 minute walks would get you closer to basketball shape than what your doing...  I totally understand sometimes its not convenient or feasible to train optimally - but the challenge is coming up with something we can incorp orate that will better (not best) suit our goals rather than throwing hands in air and saying "well maybe this unrelated activity will carryover!"
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2492 on: January 29, 2016, 04:58:38 am »
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Quote from: T0ddday on January 29, 2016, 04:56:22 am
Quote from: maxent on January 29, 2016, 01:09:46 am
^I get ya that playing bball would carry over better but summer is stupidly popular and I should have reached out to teams earlier (maybe before xmas) .. i cant find any place to play at the moment :( It's actually starting to worry me because I don't think i will be able to get in good basketball shape (skill wise and conditioning being equally important) in time for the late march tournament. But short of doing drills and whatnot .. this is something I can tack on to the end of every gym training session. For now it will have to do but sooner rather than later I do need to get more specific!!

Since you realize how far from optimal it is, why not make the easy modification necessary to make it far closer to optimal?  Even just changing your cardio to repeated half miles w 3 minute walks would get you closer to basketball shape than what your doing...  I totally understand sometimes its not convenient or feasible to train optimally - but the challenge is coming up with something we can incorp orate that will better (not best) suit our goals rather than throwing hands in air and saying "well maybe this unrelated activity will carryover!"

Point taken. I'll give that a try tonight! Thank you!
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« Reply #2493 on: January 29, 2016, 11:29:01 am »
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^didn't end up doing any conditioning ... just felt like shit ... i htink the bad week's training got to me .. i had 2 bowls of icecream just now and im like fuck it .. what's the point. hopefully week i can get some decent quality training in .. i can deal wiht other stuff bad prolonged periods of poor training really mess with my motivation! Anyway, time to rest completely sat-sun and come back fresh next wk for some PRs.
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« Reply #2494 on: January 30, 2016, 06:16:10 am »
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Reality check time. I measured and what I thought was a mid 30s PR jump is actually a legit PR of ....... 27.5". So when i've been going on about 40" i am actually below 30". That kinda sucks. I have work to do. I should probably just do that cut to 70kg but i'm not sure it's a good idea to do it in one hit. Maybe i'll get sub 75kg first and maintain that and then later down the track go 75->69kg or whatever. Do i even care bout my vertical that much? I dont think so lol. Maybe i should do it just to see what it is like being in single digit bodyfat range .. then do small bulks around there not getting too fat again.
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« Reply #2495 on: January 30, 2016, 04:52:27 pm »
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Quote from: maxent on January 30, 2016, 06:16:10 am
Reality check time. I measured and what I thought was a mid 30s PR jump is actually a legit PR of ....... 27.5". So when i've been going on about 40" i am actually below 30". That kinda sucks. I have work to do. I should probably just do that cut to 70kg but i'm not sure it's a good idea to do it in one hit. Maybe i'll get sub 75kg first and maintain that and then later down the track go 75->69kg or whatever. Do i even care bout my vertical that much? I dont think so lol. Maybe i should do it just to see what it is like being in single digit bodyfat range .. then do small bulks around there not getting too fat again.

That doesnt suck.  If your dunking w a 27" jump your reach must be pretty impressive, like at least 8'4" or so...  Only jumping 27" inches means that you can realistically jump 10-12"" higher w training, imagine the dunks you will be able to do?  If your jump was 36" now it would be a lot less likely that you add a foot of jump height...  finding weaknesses is always a positive when your goal is improvement! 

Your like 6'4"?  Your goal is to cut to 69kg??  Thats 150lbs!  6'4" 150 is extremely skinny - even by high jumper standards thats way too light...

Im a lot closer to agreememt with a lot of the stuff you do as far as bw manipulation when compared to the other posters...  i dont have a problem with frequent weigh ins and your monitoring of bodyweight... but this is something your taking too far...

You should take your 27 inch jump into account here... you keep losing bw to jump - you think it works.  But considering that your only jumping 27 inches should be evidence that your weak.  Cutting bodyweight will work if your weak - weak people are not powerful at 200 or 170...  but if you want to make major changes your gonna have to get strong and powerful rather than be the lightest weakling around...

Additionally if you want to get to single digit bf.... dont cut to 150.  Thats the hardest way to do it.  At 150 legit single digit bodyfat requires you to have about 10-15 pounds of total fat...  Good luck w leptin when you go that low.  If you dont have great genes for leanness your body is not gonna give up what is semi essential bf until your really weak...

Or you can be closer to 200 where you can carry a healtheir amount of bf and still be single digits...  i am able to stay single digit year round simply because i have some muscle not because i have extremely low levels of bf...
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2496 on: January 31, 2016, 01:09:53 am »
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It may be that I jump higher at a rim than on a vertical test at home.. perhaps something is missing in the test eg adrenalin etc. I can't be sure about anything. I do want to arrange a VERTEC assessment sometime and get an official measurement under test conditions to compare with too. It could be that the rims in my country are all low lol. I wouldn't really rule out rim height discrepancy an explanation .. though i do know some rims which are "high" compared to all the others ive played on .. and when im dunking strongly there I feel like i am jumping high but that might just mean low 30s instead of high 20s or something, nothing special. Who knows. At some point if 40" is out of the question i can still be happy "only" getting 36"  once or twice - or landing a windmill or something else equally meaningful.

Actually thinking back the only time i dunked on a rim outside Australia was 2 years ago on the Venice beach courts... i was wearing flipflops and had no warmup and dunked 2 handed .. have that on video as well.. but that's neither here nor there. Have another trip planned to the states this year .. will try to get to more basketball courts and maybe even find a vertec there .. that would be cool.. Anyway til then i would like to actually improve my athleticism considerably .. otherwise i dont really have anything to prove to myself or to anyone else

Im gna stick to the plan and cut to 77kg as the goal of of this phase. And then recomp a while at ~77kg. I do think i have an easy 2kg to lose from 77->75kg - and if i can gain some muscle while doing that recomp of 2kg i'll be a better athlete than if i just straight up keep cutting to 75kg. I wont allow myself cut below 75kg though.. at that point im better served by adding muscle than by getting lighter! So there we are in agreement.

 
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2497 on: January 31, 2016, 04:46:32 am »
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This is much cheaper that tickets to the US.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2498 on: January 31, 2016, 08:10:26 am »
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Ok.... if you read my journal you will see some posts about measuring vertical based on rims/backboard/square heights...  my hughest measured jump measured relative to the square is 42" while Ive never gone over 40" w a vertec but I attribute this less to rim discrepancy and more to jumping surfaces and familiarity...

That said... some of the rims at venice beach are low... very mow.  Like 9.9".   In general (in the states at least) you cant trust the height of outdoor rims but indoor rims are consistent...

When are you coming to the states?  Where are you going? I am a member 9f just about every gym so if you come to socalnwe can get some training in..

I agree that you probably jump more than 27" in your videos, i would say you jump aroung 30"... 

77kg is 170... more than light enough... glad we compromised 😀
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« Reply #2499 on: February 01, 2016, 05:37:22 am »
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BS 6x100
BP 2x90, 6x80, 6x82.5, 6x80
WCU 3x101.3 (+20kg), 6x96(+15kg), 7x88.5 (+7.5kg)
LPD 3x8x42.5
CROW 3x12x42.5
CND - 1.5km in 8:47 (call it a PR), 3km in 18:30 (call it a PR), 3.3km in 20 (call it a PR)

BW: 78.4kg / 172.84lb
Broken .. back fucked. FUCK. i cant squat :(
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« Reply #2500 on: February 01, 2016, 08:42:25 am »
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Quote from: T0ddday on January 31, 2016, 08:10:26 am
Ok.... if you read my journal you will see some posts about measuring vertical based on rims/backboard/square heights...  my hughest measured jump measured relative to the square is 42" while Ive never gone over 40" w a vertec but I attribute this less to rim discrepancy and more to jumping surfaces and familiarity...

That said... some of the rims at venice beach are low... very mow.  Like 9.9".   In general (in the states at least) you cant trust the height of outdoor rims but indoor rims are consistent...

When are you coming to the states?  Where are you going? I am a member 9f just about every gym so if you come to socalnwe can get some training in..

I agree that you probably jump more than 27" in your videos, i would say you jump aroung 30"... 

77kg is 170... more than light enough... glad we compromised 😀

i dont remember thinking the rim was especially low or high .. it just seemed normal .. but n=1, i only had one attempt at a dunk so who knows. and yep california! mostly socal, will def meet up with you, that's high on my list of things to do! Mid-may through to June .. but if i can arrange some work i may extend that out a few weeks while im there.
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« Reply #2501 on: February 02, 2016, 02:00:56 am »
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My back feels better today! But i dont know if that means i can start squatting heavy. SO frustrating. Will go light tmr and try heavy friday? Thinking to take up sprinting now that my legs dont need to be fresh for squatting .. at least for a while anyway. We'll see how it goes.
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« Reply #2502 on: February 03, 2016, 01:05:34 am »
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BW: 78.4kg / 172.84 lb

WL has stalled .. it seems ... weird.. but i have laid off the crazy amount of walking and my cals have been higher (2000kcal) ish .. so maybe im just not on a deficit anymore. Or water retention masking WL. Anyway. 8 days left, ima try to get to 77.0kg.
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« Reply #2503 on: February 03, 2016, 06:39:52 am »
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CND - 2km in 20 mins
BS 2x6x102.5
CND - 2.25km in 20 mins


BW: 78.4kg / 172.84lb

Squat notes:
Took a light day. Back feeling better than before .. but pretty fucked up still.. cant rack the bar without pain. Next workout i'll try squatting heavy.
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« Reply #2504 on: February 04, 2016, 12:57:16 am »
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BW: 77.7kg / 171.3lb (2016 PR)

There we go. Ok, 7 days left, ima finish the job  :headbang: I've been lighter than this before of course .. but htis time i'm not carb depleted .. which should count for something. I do see myself being about 2.7kg overfat still .. but the plan for the last 2kg is still a recomp not a straight up cut.
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