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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2160 on: November 02, 2014, 09:59:57 pm »
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Wow, just realised entropy hasn't updated in a month...diet/training burnout?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2161 on: November 12, 2014, 06:48:26 am »
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Wow, just realised entropy hasn't updated in a month...diet/training burnout?

yeah you got it. i forgot my password as well lol. anyway im just trying to get back to being my old athletic levels. i cant dunk right now and my squat is low as well so there isn't reallly a point in updating regularly until ive got back to a semi normal level first. hope you're all doing well. keep up the training!

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2162 on: November 12, 2014, 08:55:50 am »
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welcome back, haha.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2163 on: November 14, 2014, 05:00:53 pm »
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Welcome back mate.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2164 on: November 19, 2014, 07:24:41 am »
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Getting impatient and demotivated. It took a long time and hard work to make 120kg a warmup weight on squats. Now it's back to being an impossible grind. And i don't see how to change that short of investing months of building up my squat. Wish there was a magic way to do it but there isn't, mediocre squatting is just the norm and takes a great deal of effort to overcome it.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2165 on: November 19, 2014, 09:22:42 am »
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Getting impatient and demotivated. It took a long time and hard work to make 120kg a warmup weight on squats. Now it's back to being an impossible grind. And i don't see how to change that short of investing months of building up my squat. Wish there was a magic way to do it but there isn't, mediocre squatting is just the norm and takes a great deal of effort to overcome it.

i'm there with you right now. squatting 205 for sets of 6. sucks.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2166 on: November 19, 2014, 11:09:42 am »
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Well....depends...do you want to squat big or be athletic? Obviously a big squat relative to BW is beneficial but theres so many other ways to be athletic.  Look at my numbers in the weight room, they're all down from PRs (some substantially) but my vert is at PR levels IMO. Im sure im not the only example, Kilganon comes to mind reallll fast.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2167 on: November 19, 2014, 12:47:47 pm »
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Getting impatient and demotivated. It took a long time and hard work to make 120kg a warmup weight on squats. Now it's back to being an impossible grind. And i don't see how to change that short of investing months of building up my squat. Wish there was a magic way to do it but there isn't, mediocre squatting is just the norm and takes a great deal of effort to overcome it.

i'm there with you right now. squatting 205 for sets of 6. sucks.

Oh that's not far from where I am. I use 90kg for sets across too haha. Last week I got up to 112.5x6 but that's a 6RM and i noped out of 115x6 at 3 reps the following workout. And what makes this so frustrating is my memory of the sensation of using weights under 120kg is still fresh in my mind and i remember how light they were then (i think i was using 120kg for 10 reps at the time and anything under that was ridiculously easy in comparison).

Well....depends...do you want to squat big or be athletic? Obviously a big squat relative to BW is beneficial but theres so many other ways to be athletic.  Look at my numbers in the weight room, they're all down from PRs (some substantially) but my vert is at PR levels IMO. Im sure im not the only example, Kilganon comes to mind reallll fast.

i want to have a big squat and i want to be athletic. Both of those are equally important. I think if i was doing windmills i'd still want to have a decent squat. And if i had a decent squat i wouldn't be satisfied unless it led to PRs on the lifetime bball mix tape.

Ideally i'd have a strong squat and then i'd focus on becoming more athletic. Like turning my attention from one important goal to another.

But my confidence is gone now. I no longer believe i have it in me to be athletic. Im just not wired that way, i haven't got the right stuff physically or mentally to be a good athlete and i was a fool to think i could train myself to becoming athletic. There is a reason why when i played cricket and faced the averge bowler my CNS was always a step too slow to hit the ball before it went by lol. And on the basketball court it's harder to tell when you're unathletic but watching tape can show you gaps in athleticism easily enuf.

Sad thing is i have to admit to myself my best days as an athlete are behind me. i peaked too late in my life but i peaked all the same even in my late 20s and what i achieved only a year or two ago is the best i'm ever going to manage.. and there isnt room there for windmills or big monster jams with two hands off the dribble in a game :(

i still think i can improve myself through training but goals are changing now .. no longer so lofty and ambitious .. i would settle for repping 120-130kg on squats while weighing 70kg and jumping 33" or whatever i was at earlier in this log.. well. we'll see..

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2168 on: November 19, 2014, 07:36:49 pm »
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Maybe what you need to do is something completely different from what you have done in the past. So it doesn't feel so much like deja vu. Maybe do oly lifting. Maybe front squats and deadlifts  :o  Maybe single leg work. idk.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2169 on: November 20, 2014, 09:05:27 am »
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Im too uncoordinated to do olympic lifts properly :( I'd like to but i suck at the movements. what makes me body type of long limbs good for one sport (basketball) is terrible for another (oly lifting). im not too keen on front squats, been there done that. i front squatted 3x a week for 2 years lol. im not touching deadlifts again with my history of back injuries. i dont see hte point of single limb work when im very much a double leg jumper nowadays. well. kind of. i still end up doing layups and general basketball movements off one leg which i wish i could fix because im a much better two leg leaper but i have no control over that, it just occurs subconsciously
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2170 on: November 20, 2014, 09:26:28 am »
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It happens because its the quickest way to get there. SL jumps will always be quicker. I'm also a better DL jumper but I'd say in games its easy 75/25 SL:DL jumps. Easy. Just the nature of the game.

All said....how much did you lose on this cut? BW wise...
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« Reply #2171 on: November 20, 2014, 09:53:15 am »
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Probably right! It's more natural and efficient to try to side step a defender or whatever off one leg. Oh well. It means there is almost zero athletic carryover from my training to my sport lol.

I lost ... a lot.. i weighed i think just under 220 in jan. And i got down to 157.5..
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« Reply #2172 on: November 20, 2014, 10:39:41 am »
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Good god man.

...I know you said you got burnt out on your cut and that's why you stopped training but you can't expect to be near where you were lifts wise after dropping so much BW! I still go back to this, its easier to start lean/light/whatever and add muscle slowly than it is to go ham then try a drastic cut. Extended cuts are depressing IMO. Not only for the mental aspect of strict dieting but watching your lifts drop some isnt great either.

I guess ive just seen more unathletic 'skinny' guys pack on muscle and become athletic than larger guys drop a ton of weight and get there. :/
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2173 on: November 20, 2014, 11:07:11 am »
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yep, chris, we've all been trying to tell him that for years now.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2174 on: November 20, 2014, 07:08:25 pm »
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Im too uncoordinated to do olympic lifts properly :( I'd like to but i suck at the movements. what makes me body type of long limbs good for one sport (basketball) is terrible for another (oly lifting). im not too keen on front squats, been there done that. i front squatted 3x a week for 2 years lol. im not touching deadlifts again with my history of back injuries. i dont see hte point of single limb work when im very much a double leg jumper nowadays. well. kind of. i still end up doing layups and general basketball movements off one leg which i wish i could fix because im a much better two leg leaper but i have no control over that, it just occurs subconsciously

Maybe take up Zumba then  :P

Fair call on the oly lifting.

What I was actually trying to get at is you've done the squatting 3 times a week thing. Front and back. Maybe squat once or twice a week. Single leg work still has merits for a double leg jumper and has carry over to bigger lifts. I think you should seriously consider deadlifts. Done correctly and patiently that is. I had serious back issues for around 8-10 years (age 15 to 25). I've been able to pretty much resolve them completely with the use of deadlifts to strengthen my back.   

*edit- regarding the jumping thing. I'm very much a single leg jumper but would jump off two 65-75% in games considering the position I played.  Not a lot of room to take steps in a key full of players.*
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