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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W2D4 (of 12wks)
« Reply #1605 on: February 02, 2014, 05:49:21 am »
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Training
WCU 0Fx113.5, 1x108.5, 5x95.4, 5x97 (PR)
AbW 3x98, 3xBW, 5xBW
WCrunch 15x15, 15x30, 15x45

Abs notes:
A mystery to me why i couldn't do rollouts today! I tried them weighted to start with, found them challenging, tried bodyweight and they were still hard! Not sure what's going on.

The crunches were awesome, got nice pump in the abs. Give these a few weeks and my abs will blow up. Can't wait!

I might mix up some weighted ab raises in there too. My abs are gonna become like steel by the time i'm done cutting, and then when i turn my attention back to squats i'm going for the big 180kg milestone!!

shit, another overindulgent sunday, dinner at a friend's place. i had some of the most amazing tasting meat i've ever had, slow cooked spiced pork in a tandoor oven. so juicy and perfect.. godamn, must have eaten over half a kilo possibly even a kilo. I meant to eat little but it was just too irresistible. plus a few pieces of fudge for dessert and other snacks before that  :/ come monday i'll start over and do it right all thru the remainder of feb.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2014, 10:59:59 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1606 on: February 03, 2014, 05:16:33 am »
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I'm having a crisis of faith. I don't think I can ever be considered athletic no matter what I do. It's to do with CNS, tendons, build, things I can't control. No one will ever call me quick. Have probably reached my ceiling with what I can do on and off the court. If you look at where i started, a legit 20" vertical, i'm not going to one day attain a 40". That's probably impossible and i don't want to keep thinking i can somehow get there by wishful thinking. Yes i can dunk ok at 90kg bodyweight but so what, doesn't mean i'll jump 5" higher when i weigh 10-15kg less? In fact it probably wont make any real difference to my jump PR; what it will do is make what was a max effort jump into a sub max one, and possibly my ME would be slightly, if negligibly higher.

What does everyone else who realises they're mediocre athletes do? Become mediocre powerlifters? That doesn't appeal. I need a new hobby.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1607 on: February 03, 2014, 05:44:54 am »
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lololol! Good thing we know by now that those rants are part of your mentality, but so far they have proven to be incapable of affecting your training. Which training is on a constant linear progress for 2+ years and looks very likely to continue like that till 40'' and above.

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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1608 on: February 03, 2014, 06:56:16 am »
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Well, you just have to ask yourself this: have you really reached your peak? Do you already squat 2.5x for 1RM or 2x for 5RM? Have you practiced jumping and playing and sprinting enough at the right intensity with the right mindset? Have you had a clear-cut goal that you managed to attain? And so on and so forth.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1609 on: February 03, 2014, 09:38:12 am »
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lololol! Good thing we know by now that those rants are part of your mentality, but so far they have proven to be incapable of affecting your training. Which training is on a constant linear progress for 2+ years and looks very likely to continue like that till 40'' and above.

:-*

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1610 on: February 03, 2014, 11:58:28 am »
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I'm having a crisis of faith. I don't think I can ever be considered athletic no matter what I do. It's to do with CNS, tendons, build, things I can't control. No one will ever call me quick. Have probably reached my ceiling with what I can do on and off the court. If you look at where i started, a legit 20" vertical, i'm not going to one day attain a 40". That's probably impossible and i don't want to keep thinking i can somehow get there by wishful thinking. Yes i can dunk ok at 90kg bodyweight but so what, doesn't mean i'll jump 5" higher when i weigh 10-15kg less? In fact it probably wont make any real difference to my jump PR; what it will do is make what was a max effort jump into a sub max one, and possibly my ME would be slightly, if negligibly higher.

Lol.  Yes it does.  All things considered weight loss is the one thing that almost always leads to better performance.  If you jump X inches at 90kg bodyweight and 15% bf and you get to 8% bf without losing tons of strength... You most definitely jump higher on your max jump and sub max jump.  It's the only training "promise" I make to athletes.  Everything else can be false for some people (eg not everyone who raises their squat jumps any higher...).     Keep it up and lose 10kg and you WILL jump higher.  That's a promise.  Maybe 3 inches, maybe 6 inches.  Hard to put an inch number... but significantly higher.  For myself my jump approaches 40'' when I am close to 180, between 33-37 when I am 190-200 and remains above 30'' when I am 200-215.   BIG difference.


What does everyone else who realises they're mediocre athletes do? Become mediocre powerlifters? That doesn't appeal. I need a new hobby.

Getting good at anything involves feeling mediocre.  Unless you are the best in the world.  But even that is fleeting.  Haven't you seen Karate Kid???  Mister Miyagi outlined this wisdom for me when I was about 7 years old.   That's why you have to compete primarily with yourself.  You have to make you goal to run 2 tenths faster or jump 2'' inches higher than a few months ago.  Anything else and you will always find someone to make you feel mediocre.   If you can go from 20'' to 36''...... That's fucking incredible.  Adding sixteen inches to your vertical is amazing. 

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1611 on: February 04, 2014, 09:10:41 am »
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Well, you just have to ask yourself this: have you really reached your peak? Do you already squat 2.5x for 1RM or 2x for 5RM? Have you practiced jumping and playing and sprinting enough at the right intensity with the right mindset? Have you had a clear-cut goal that you managed to attain? And so on and so forth.

It's bullshit raptor, all mutually exclusive. When your lifts are good, you're too heavy. When you're light, lifts are shit. You need some extra 25-40kg reserve strength to make it worthwhile post-bulk-post-cut. Fools errand!
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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W3D1 (of 12wks)
« Reply #1612 on: February 04, 2014, 09:59:48 am »
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Training
FSB 1x132.5
BS 1x137.5, 2x132.5, 3x120, 3x127.5, 3x125, 3x122.5
AbW 2x15

FSB notes:
Just fuck off. 132.5kg right now feels harder and uglier than my PR of 145kg only 2 weeks ago. Ridiculous..

BS notes:
I failed 142.5kg, i think that kind of sums it up. My PR is 157.5kg at the end of RSR2. Do the maths.

Such a shitty session even though warmups felt absolutely brilliant, i just didn't have the juice to do anything with worksets. Not much more or to say, going to slowly rebuild up the volume and see where it goes, i think i've just been trapped in a low-volume weak phase which I need to dig myself out of.

I am also going to stop with fasting on training days, i think that might be contributing to horrors in the gym.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2014, 10:24:06 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1613 on: February 04, 2014, 01:06:55 pm »
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Well, you just have to ask yourself this: have you really reached your peak? Do you already squat 2.5x for 1RM or 2x for 5RM? Have you practiced jumping and playing and sprinting enough at the right intensity with the right mindset? Have you had a clear-cut goal that you managed to attain? And so on and so forth.

It's bullshit raptor, all mutually exclusive. When your lifts are good, you're too heavy. When you're light, lifts are shit. You need some extra 25-40kg reserve strength to make it worthwhile post-bulk-post-cut. Fools errand!

Yeah I know it sometimes feels like spinning the wheels - gain strength and mass to increase your squat and you're too heavy and not "functional" for sports/you also gain fat.

Try to lose that fat and weight and you also lose strength and lose "all" the gains in the squat.

But... it can be done... just look at Kingfish.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1614 on: February 06, 2014, 05:28:19 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYAWIZYUqn4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYAWIZYUqn4</a>

Something went off in my brain today appearing as a genuine spark of inspiration after watching Craig Simmons last night brutally destroy Sydney. It reminded me what all of this training is about, destroying the arch enemy Sydney. I'm going to raise my game to another level now, I have found faith in the purest of all emotions, hatred. I don't care about adding an inch to my PR, I want to live to see Sydney demoralized and obliterated the way they left us last year. This changes everything. Go hard or go home!
« Last Edit: February 06, 2014, 06:12:11 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1615 on: February 06, 2014, 05:51:33 am »
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Ah, I guess it's time for you to go home then!

Just kidding, follow your dream man... no matter what obstacles you get into.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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chasing athleticism -- SPP phase -- W3D2 (of 12wks)
« Reply #1616 on: February 06, 2014, 06:46:19 am »
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I hit a new bodyweight low of 91.1kg yesterday, that's 200.84lb. Not long before I get into the 80s/190s now.

Training
FSB 1x130
BS 4x122.5, 4x127.5, 3Fx125
DUNKZ ~ 30

Squat notes:
Volume is good, i'm back on the right track. The thing killing me right now is core fatigue. I know it's a temporary hit i'm taking from working my core hard but it will pay off eventually. Then i'll be able to push my squats into new territory. In the meantime it's disheartening to be humbled by such light weights, my only fear is my legs will detrain in the mean time..

Dunks notes:
As hard as gym was, on the court was another story. I felt strong and explosive, dunking hard and felt i was jumping as high, if not higher than I ever have before. And this at a bodyweight over 90kg! It's crazy.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fredJ6s2PgE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fredJ6s2PgE</a>

i'll ask vag to estimate my highest jump today, i might have gone on the good side of 35" but i can't be sure, i don't know for sure, which is frustrating.

It seems the best exercise i am doing for my legs right now is dunking overweight, really puts a burn in my quads lol. Whatever i have been doing in the gym has been paying off, i couldn't even dunk at all at this bodyweight before, and now i'm dunking so effortlessly, something is clicking, i dont know what but i'm slightly optimistic. I'll put it down to a combo of heavy calf raises, ab work, and being slightly lighter.

I must say a good intense dunk session is an excellent conditioning workout. Full body one, hits all your muscles, legs all the way up to arms, and gets a good sweat going with a pumping heart rate. I should do this more often.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2014, 09:29:59 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1617 on: February 06, 2014, 10:18:16 am »
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Cam positioning makes it too distorted to be accurate. However it looks like a safe estimation to say you were getting 12'' above rim ( 4'' below wrist ).
Which is 11' touch / 34'' verts.

Now on those jumps at 0:00 , 0:08 , 0:13 , 0:17, if you said they are mid forearm ( 14'' above , 11'2'' touch, 36'' vert ) i wouldn't call you out, because that is most probably a correct claim!

Get better angle next time. If you can't elevate the cam, at least put it in a place where the cam-rim line is vertical to the entropy-rim line, and try to make those lines intersect at the rim ( which means dont get between the cam and the rim unless the cam is at rim level ).
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #1618 on: February 06, 2014, 11:24:33 am »
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those are good-looking jumps but i just can't quite believe they're 34". his feet don't look three feet off the ground. i could just be envious that the 6'3 guy with long arms jumps as high as i do with less apparent effort.
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« Reply #1619 on: February 06, 2014, 01:25:12 pm »
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Hm... fair point. You have to factor his long-ass legs though. If you use the mouse pointer as a marker for highest heels point, it looks like the 'air' he gets is about up to the middle of his thighs. For me, mid thigh is about 32'' and I am 6'1''/95'' in shoes ( he is 6'3''/98'' ), so 34'' seems realistic. Again, just rough estimations, i wouldn't bet on a height, it is too distorted as i already said, too dark too.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?