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Re: ADARQ's journal
« Reply #6630 on: August 27, 2016, 03:19:49 pm »
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Hard to understand sprints from your gps data... Your doing interval sprints it looks like about 5 per mile or so?  So what are they about 20-30 second sprints?  If your going 17 miles per hour about that's like 7.5 meters a second or so roughly sub 30 second 200s?  That's not bad at all... In fact it's really good. 

Obviously I like track work but I think you should abandon miles per hour and start timed sprints.  A much more fun way to improve if you like road/trial straight running... Get your timer to do a couple beeps separated by 10,20,30 and 45 seconds and see how far you can make it in each interval...

I think it can be a much more fun way to compare ourselves to the best in the world... I never ran sub 10 in the 100m but I did get past 95m in 10 seconds!  So I can imagine that I got less than 5 meters away from the best guys - I could almost reach and touch them... In the 400m the performance boost that you get from this is super drastic... 

I really recommend it for 400m because every second past 45 seconds is so painful in 400m ( why the men are ok after 400m and the women are wrecked)... I can get under 50 seconds in a open 400 but I could get to 380m in 45 seconds... Man just 20m away from world class (I realize WVN did 43.0 so 45.0 isn't truly world class anymore but close enough)...

Also time intervals allows you to copy training of someone more advanced than you and not overwork yourself wheras if u copy distance you might be doing waaaay to much work...

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« Reply #6631 on: August 27, 2016, 06:13:36 pm »
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Hard to understand sprints from your gps data...

ya definitely. i'm mostly posting those images more for just the general "spikes" (max speed ballpark) of the sprints, as a historical record.



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Your doing interval sprints it looks like about 5 per mile or so?

ya roughly about that much. I'm recovering fully between sprints. I'm actually just going on feel right now.



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So what are they about 20-30 second sprints?

Well for these (max speed), more like 10-20 seconds, with some creeping up over 20 seconds.

The other day when I did that distance speed session, many of my runs were over 30s & I did several 400's (so over 60s). The goal there was very different though, just to maintain a fast pace for the entire distance and keep my form strong.




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If your going 17 miles per hour about that's like 7.5 meters a second or so roughly sub 30 second 200s?  That's not bad at all... In fact it's really good.

not sure about sub 30 200m. i think I could definitely break 30s for 200m, given my 400m's I was running a while back, which weren't much over 60s. I'm faster now. But, i'd have to go to a track to know for sure.

Most of my "max speed sprints" end up being ~0.1 mi, which is ~150m. But that's also usually with more of a build up acceleration instead of just max effort right from the start. Yesterday I did some fast starts though, felt more power than usual in my first few steps.



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Obviously I like track work but I think you should abandon miles per hour and start timed sprints.  A much more fun way to improve if you like road/trial straight running... Get your timer to do a couple beeps separated by 10,20,30 and 45 seconds and see how far you can make it in each interval...

I've never tried that before but one of the biggest reasons i'm tracking things the way i am, is because one of my goals is to hit 20 mph on my watch. The fastest i've gotten so far is 18.4 mph.. A few days later, I did way too many jumps, sprinted, and pulled my hamstring slightly. So, I need to be careful about going truly max effort. I'd like to just see some improvement simply by being more consistent with sprinting.

Right now i'm juggling running, sprinting, jumping, and lifting. I haven't been able to get consistent with it for a decent amount of time, mostly because of a few small injuries - like the left hamstring pull I experienced a ~month ago. But i'd really like to get into a rhythm where i'm tackling all of these qualities at once. I'd be curious to see how I feel if I could keep this up for at least 1 month, I think i'd have some nice results.

The hardest thing seems to be mixing in "jumping and running (>3 mi)".
- lifting/running/sprinting seem to make sense
- lifting/jumping/sprinting seem to make sense
- lifting/running/jumping seems to be difficult
- lifting/running/sprinting/jumping seems to be difficult.

so that's also one reason i'm trying to keep my running sessions to <= 3 mi .. and i'm also not going to push them every time.



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I think it can be a much more fun way to compare ourselves to the best in the world... I never ran sub 10 in the 100m but I did get past 95m in 10 seconds!  So I can imagine that I got less than 5 meters away from the best guys - I could almost reach and touch them... In the 400m the performance boost that you get from this is super drastic... 

never looked at it that way.. that's pretty cool.



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I really recommend it for 400m because every second past 45 seconds is so painful in 400m ( why the men are ok after 400m and the women are wrecked)... I can get under 50 seconds in a open 400 but I could get to 380m in 45 seconds... Man just 20m away from world class (I realize WVN did 43.0 so 45.0 isn't truly world class anymore but close enough)...

Also time intervals allows you to copy training of someone more advanced than you and not overwork yourself wheras if u copy distance you might be doing waaaay to much work...

ya definitely. I can't really copy anyone right now though, because, like you mentioned earlier, i'm throwing in lots of other things -> pizza making. If I copied anyone's sprint, run, or jump protocol, i'd be toast because i'm combining all 3 together right now.

i've tried this a few other times earlier but, small injuries/aches derail me. The last few derailing injuries have been:
- ingrown toenail (jumping 2 days after running 25 miles)
- right hip flexor (just wrecked from lots of things)
- left hamstring pull (high voluming jumping, trying to go absolutely max effort on a short sprint)

so, my #1 goal really needs to be: stop getting hurt! it also means I need to turn it DOWN a notch on some of these ballistic efforts and overall total volume. I can't handle it like I could 4 years ago for example.. If I could turn it down a notch, but, improve my frequency/consistency, I think i'll see some decent gains in all 3 disciplines: running, sprinting, jumping.



As for sprinting goals, my #1 goal is to simply hit 20 mph on my watch. 18.4 mph felt crazy fast....... I love how that felt. I'd love to "feel" 20mph. Other than that, sub 60s 400m is on my list. I need some actual sprint goals eventually: 100m, 200m. And then I have my distance goals of < 5min mile, < 3min 1km, and ~18 min 5k. Finally, a jumping goal of consistent near-max effort 35" SLRVJ. And as far as lifting goes, would like to get my high rep half squat numbers back up (225 x 20 at least).

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« Reply #6632 on: August 27, 2016, 06:14:37 pm »
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« Reply #6633 on: August 28, 2016, 12:06:15 am »
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As for sprinting goals, my #1 goal is to simply hit 20 mph on my watch. 18.4 mph felt crazy fast....... I love how that felt. I'd love to "feel" 20mph.

Man that's already fast compared to me. I had a max speed of 26.6 km/h (16.52 mph). Only need to get to 27.8 mph to match Usain (and keep it for that distance  :o)
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« Reply #6634 on: August 28, 2016, 05:35:57 am »
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As for sprinting goals, my #1 goal is to simply hit 20 mph on my watch. 18.4 mph felt crazy fast....... I love how that felt. I'd love to "feel" 20mph.

Man that's already fast compared to me. I had a max speed of 26.6 km/h (16.52 mph). Only need to get to 27.8 mph to match Usain (and keep it for that distance  :o)

To be fair... Using a watch like this will probably underestimate times... A 26 km/hr sprint is about 7 m/s... Your true instantaneous velocity is probably higher... That's a 10 second 70m without the start... So if you go sub 9 in the sixty your faster than this...

Closer to usain but still not close to usain...

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« Reply #6635 on: August 28, 2016, 10:41:03 am »
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As for sprinting goals, my #1 goal is to simply hit 20 mph on my watch. 18.4 mph felt crazy fast....... I love how that felt. I'd love to "feel" 20mph.

Man that's already fast compared to me. I had a max speed of 26.6 km/h (16.52 mph). Only need to get to 27.8 mph to match Usain (and keep it for that distance  :o)

when did usain hit 27.8 mph? ~70m?

i honestly think the watch will help immediately, somewhat. once I saw my max speed on it, it became almost like a vertec. Obviously we can do the same with timed sprints etc, but that measures the entire run; that's one reason I also like flying sprints.

So far, I personally like using the watch "as a vertec", simply trying to build up to max speed .. then checking all of the 'spikes' when I get home, to see if I PR'd anything. It would be nice to see that data as i'm doing it, but I don't like running/sprinting with a phone. So the only thing I could do is put the watch on the screen that shows "current pace", which is pretty nice.. but just too hard to check when you're sprinting max speed. That screen is absolutely great for submax runs.

Also since I mostly run on the sidewalks etc, a GPS watch is such a great tool.



As for sprinting goals, my #1 goal is to simply hit 20 mph on my watch. 18.4 mph felt crazy fast....... I love how that felt. I'd love to "feel" 20mph.

Man that's already fast compared to me. I had a max speed of 26.6 km/h (16.52 mph). Only need to get to 27.8 mph to match Usain (and keep it for that distance  :o)

To be fair... Using a watch like this will probably underestimate times... A 26 km/hr sprint is about 7 m/s... Your true instantaneous velocity is probably higher... That's a 10 second 70m without the start... So if you go sub 9 in the sixty your faster than this...

Closer to usain but still not close to usain...

ya good point.

we need to create a "training gear thread" eventually.. for example, i've posted this in here before but, imagine as someone coaching remotely, your client has one of these for track work:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1t_xJZ9xyA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1t_xJZ9xyA</a>

That is sick ^^

I just brought it up because, there's probably lots of nice gadgets out there for measuring vert/speed that we're not using.

I've been meaning to look into vert-measuring gadgets but still haven't. I'd like to buy one eventually and figure out how to integrate it into the "new forum".

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« Reply #6636 on: August 28, 2016, 11:11:54 am »
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As for sprinting goals, my #1 goal is to simply hit 20 mph on my watch. 18.4 mph felt crazy fast....... I love how that felt. I'd love to "feel" 20mph.

Man that's already fast compared to me. I had a max speed of 26.6 km/h (16.52 mph). Only need to get to 27.8 mph to match Usain (and keep it for that distance  :o)

when did usain hit 27.8 mph? ~70m?

i honestly think the watch will help immediately, somewhat. once I saw my max speed on it, it became almost like a vertec. Obviously we can do the same with timed sprints etc, but that measures the entire run; that's one reason I also like flying sprints.

So far, I personally like using the watch "as a vertec", simply trying to build up to max speed .. then checking all of the 'spikes' when I get home, to see if I PR'd anything. It would be nice to see that data as i'm doing it, but I don't like running/sprinting with a phone. So the only thing I could do is put the watch on the screen that shows "current pace", which is pretty nice.. but just too hard to check when you're sprinting max speed. That screen is absolutely great for submax runs.

Also since I mostly run on the sidewalks etc, a GPS watch is such a great tool

Usain can hit and hold 27 mph the entire race after 50m.  I posted this somewhere else but the deceleration portion of the 100m is pretty much a myth.  Good sprinters reach top speed at about 50-60m (women a little later) and they hold this speed the rest of the race. 

As far as the watch... First of all what is it?

Second... I agree that it could be an amazing training tool just like a vertec... But I just don't trust gps.  I tried using GPS on the track and 100m is like 101-107 meters... So I don't know how accurate the speed is for a 150m sprint... Is that how the watch works?   Or does it have an acceleromter and some fancy hardware.... I mean it should be possible to get it accurate but the gps apps on phones are really no good for sprinting...

But yeah like a vertec feedback is important... It's why I use the old school technique for sprint speed feedback of running with someone else...  Still not perfect though... I saw a thing about some training center where they had a little train track mounted robot that supposedly moved along the track exactly like you... So you could race 100m, then set the tool, then continue to race against your "shadow" from that rep!  Like racing for time in mariokart... That would be amazing...

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« Reply #6637 on: August 28, 2016, 09:34:53 pm »
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fwiw part of why it took me so long to get to my goal is because i did go off on so many tangents. i did starting strength, i did smolov jr, i did lots of bootcamps/crossfit early on, i spent a summer focusing on sprints and even entered a couple of races where i came face to face with my own slowness. it's not the only reason: traveling even with the moderate frequency that i do interrupts training and i'm also injury-prone. but the few burts of progress i have made were when first adarq and then t0ddday wrote me programs and i did them without thinking, except to (as t0ddday said) allow myself not to push myself to the point of getting hurt.

shout out to kellyb/VJB, too, i made some progress on that too when i first started on this journey.
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« Reply #6638 on: August 28, 2016, 11:04:55 pm »
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hmm, been looking at your log and now am interested in sprinting too now, maybe even running.

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« Reply #6639 on: August 28, 2016, 11:13:48 pm »
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As for sprinting goals, my #1 goal is to simply hit 20 mph on my watch. 18.4 mph felt crazy fast....... I love how that felt. I'd love to "feel" 20mph.

Man that's already fast compared to me. I had a max speed of 26.6 km/h (16.52 mph). Only need to get to 27.8 mph to match Usain (and keep it for that distance  :o)

when did usain hit 27.8 mph? ~70m?

i honestly think the watch will help immediately, somewhat. once I saw my max speed on it, it became almost like a vertec. Obviously we can do the same with timed sprints etc, but that measures the entire run; that's one reason I also like flying sprints.

So far, I personally like using the watch "as a vertec", simply trying to build up to max speed .. then checking all of the 'spikes' when I get home, to see if I PR'd anything. It would be nice to see that data as i'm doing it, but I don't like running/sprinting with a phone. So the only thing I could do is put the watch on the screen that shows "current pace", which is pretty nice.. but just too hard to check when you're sprinting max speed. That screen is absolutely great for submax runs.

Also since I mostly run on the sidewalks etc, a GPS watch is such a great tool

Usain can hit and hold 27 mph the entire race after 50m.  I posted this somewhere else but the deceleration portion of the 100m is pretty much a myth.  Good sprinters reach top speed at about 50-60m (women a little later) and they hold this speed the rest of the race. 

As far as the watch... First of all what is it?

garmin forerunner 15.



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Second... I agree that it could be an amazing training tool just like a vertec... But I just don't trust gps.  I tried using GPS on the track and 100m is like 101-107 meters... So I don't know how accurate the speed is for a 150m sprint... Is that how the watch works?   Or does it have an acceleromter and some fancy hardware.... I mean it should be possible to get it accurate but the gps apps on phones are really no good for sprinting...

well, I just leave the watch on the entire time, so it gets my walking + sprinting. And for each sprint, i'm only looking at the max speed I hit per sprint. I'm not actually looking at distance/time, though, I can get a measurement out of it.. just would need to do a small bit of math.

It's "ballpark" accurate. I'll post an example of a ~480m (0.3mi) run I did tonight, and you'll see it's almost a "flat line" .. so it was polling for GPS data pretty accurately tonight. When it's extremely cloudy or just something going on in the atmosphere, you MAY see some weird oscillations that aren't normal.. but tonight, it was working pretty good.

and nah, no fancy stuff. this model is simple. It's only GPS data & I sync it with garmin connect/endomondo to pull the data out of it. It does have a realtime pacer though, which is great. For example I used it tonight while actually running, just to see my current pace. If it's obtaining GPS data really good, it's usually spot on for my pace.



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But yeah like a vertec feedback is important... It's why I use the old school technique for sprint speed feedback of running with someone else...  Still not perfect though... I saw a thing about some training center where they had a little train track mounted robot that supposedly moved along the track exactly like you... So you could race 100m, then set the tool, then continue to race against your "shadow" from that rep!  Like racing for time in mariokart... That would be amazing...

ya i've seen something like that before.. that is probably a great tool. I know for sure that I run faster when I start trying to keep up with a cyclist, or some car that is coming off from a stop light etc.. hah.

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« Reply #6640 on: August 28, 2016, 11:14:53 pm »
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hmm, been looking at your log and now am interested in sprinting too now, maybe even running.

cool!

just don't go 100% max with sprinting initially.. can really tax your hamstrings.

also with running, don't do crazy volume either to start with..

basically, start slow.. see if you like it. I imagine you'd love sprinting at least. I think it's my favorite activity right now among the 3.

edit: also, if you get into running.. perhaps the most important thing I can tell you is, make sure you have the right socks; non friction. I've had success with new balance non-friction socks. If you wear the wrong socks, you run the risk of wrecking your toes/toenails. (and obviously you want the right size shoes etc).

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« Reply #6641 on: August 28, 2016, 11:16:49 pm »
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fwiw part of why it took me so long to get to my goal is because i did go off on so many tangents. i did starting strength, i did smolov jr, i did lots of bootcamps/crossfit early on, i spent a summer focusing on sprints and even entered a couple of races where i came face to face with my own slowness. it's not the only reason: traveling even with the moderate frequency that i do interrupts training and i'm also injury-prone. but the few burts of progress i have made were when first adarq and then t0ddday wrote me programs and i did them without thinking, except to (as t0ddday said) allow myself not to push myself to the point of getting hurt.

shout out to kellyb/VJB, too, i made some progress on that too when i first started on this journey.

nice! As for VJB, I also recall you also had a nice experience with flyingInFour too..

and yup, #1 thing is safety.. absolutely no other question about it. Sometimes it's hard to follow our own advice, or what we know is best.. but we can easily dish it out.

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« Reply #6642 on: August 28, 2016, 11:19:10 pm »
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YESTERDAY: REST


08/27/2016

Bio: Morning

last night's sleep: ~8 hours
last night fell asleep: ~12 AM
wakeup = 8 AM
bw = 151 lb.
morning resting heart rate = didn't measure
soreness = glutes ALOT
- glutes completely dead
aches = none
injuries = none
standing desk (when on computer): not much
feel = very tired
water = alot x 2
mosquito bites: 0



Food

8:30 AM

- orange juice
- banana
- greek yogurt



Food

3 PM

- huge salad
- green tea



Food

9 PM

- chicken tenders from publix (horrible)
- some chips
- 2% milk
- banana



garbage dinner.

really needed the rest day.. was wrecked.

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« Reply #6643 on: August 28, 2016, 11:28:25 pm »
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TODAY


08/28/2016

Bio: Morning

last night's sleep: ~8.5 hours
last night fell asleep: ~11 PM
- whoa!
wakeup = 7:30 AM
bw = 156 lb.
morning resting heart rate = didn't measure
soreness = glutes somewhat, hamstrings somewhat
aches = lower back slightly
injuries = none, AH (3rd day)
standing desk (when on computer): not much
feel = decent
water = alot x 2
mosquito bites: 0



Food

7:30 AM

- orange juice
- banana



Session: Morning

8:30 AM

submax form running: ~3.14 mi in 27:30 min
- 5k: ~26:50 min
- better than two days ago
- worked really hard on my arm technique and how i'm holding my hands, also keeping my ankle locked and having a stiff but low-power strike... uh also extending my hips more.
- slow form running is tough
- would be amazing af if i could keep improving my "submax form running" technique down to low 20's.. HEH!!!


Food

9:30 AM

- 2% milk
- banana
- 3 x wheat bread with peanut butter
- green tea



Food

4 PM

- enormous salad: spinach, olive oil, lemon, mixed nuts, asiago, stacy's pita chips as croutons
-- 0.9 oz spinach
- french bread with goat cheese and olive oil, salt, pepper

get at me.






was goooooooood!



Session: Evening

7 PM
- pouring out
- most likely could have run even better, had to shut it down a bit because I didn't want to slip on the sidewalk ... so needless to say I was feeling good
- shirtless running in the rain, felt great.. ;f

submax ~400m intervals:
- 7x
- 400m run, walk back, repeat, 7 times
- mostly ~5:20-5:35 pace

some graphs

all of the runs:



second to last run where I pushed it:



t0ddday, ^^ straight up flatline.. lmao! GPS watch was working really good tonight.. i mean it usually is, but sometimes it has it's weirdness. I actually think it works better in the rain tbh.. it "loads quicker" too, when it's raining, and/or at night. Takes long in the day time to get it to initialize.




Food

8:15 PM

- 2 x 2% milk
- 2 x banana
- vegan fudge brownie
- greek yogurt




"The Night Of" season finale was dope.. can't wait for s2!!!

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« Reply #6644 on: August 29, 2016, 01:22:46 am »
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hmm, been looking at your log and now am interested in sprinting too now, maybe even running.

cool!

just don't go 100% max with sprinting initially.. can really tax your hamstrings.

also with running, don't do crazy volume either to start with..

basically, start slow.. see if you like it. I imagine you'd love sprinting at least. I think it's my favorite activity right now among the 3.

edit: also, if you get into running.. perhaps the most important thing I can tell you is, make sure you have the right socks; non friction. I've had success with new balance non-friction socks. If you wear the wrong socks, you run the risk of wrecking your toes/toenails. (and obviously you want the right size shoes etc).

i see. and okay, also a good thing ive been hitting deadlifts and leg curls hard though. yea, the last time i did sprints was almost 2 years ago now, and i really enjoyed it then. sounds good for the running part. i was more into distance running in my early teens, so i guess i have some experience. i probably won't get too much into it though, cause i dont want it to affect my main goal of 40 inch vert/11 ft touch. currently am 6 ft 150 lbs and just kinda struggling to maintain that cause i dont have much of an appetite. probably when i get older though, have been missing the runner's high for quite a while now lol