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Coges · « **Reply #1185 on:** June 20, 2016, 10:12:05 pm »

Quote from: adarqui on June 20, 2016, 05:39:29 pm

Quote from: maxent on June 20, 2016, 10:09:53 am
That sounds so familiar. I'm sorry.

same..

it's one reason i stopped playing basketball all together (especially pick-up games/streetball).. loved the game, but, all it takes is one spazz intent on inflicting damage on someone, to wreck everything.

It only takes one off season footy player or low level dickhead to ruin a game. I've been thinking about going back to the mouthguard days but feel like a fool wearing a mouthguard playing at such a low level. There are too many guys who don't know how to play properly for my liking though.

Btw Acole, where do you play at?

AGC · « **Reply #1186 on:** June 20, 2016, 11:35:11 pm »

Quote from: adarqui on June 20, 2016, 05:39:29 pm

Quote from: maxent on June 20, 2016, 10:09:53 am
That sounds so familiar. I'm sorry.

same..

it's one reason i stopped playing basketball all together (especially pick-up games/streetball).. loved the game, but, all it takes is one spazz intent on inflicting damage on someone, to wreck everything.

Yeah it can be a worse problem in pick-up ball as people are just less responsible. The best fun I've had playing ball is when there was a consistent group of guys I'd play 5v5 with for a few hours on Sundays...everyone was there just to play the game and you knew there wouldn't be any aggressive hits that leave you limping around at work the next day or cause you to miss training.

Quote from: Coges on June 20, 2016, 10:12:05 pm

It only takes one off season footy player or low level dickhead to ruin a game. I've been thinking about going back to the mouthguard days but feel like a fool wearing a mouthguard playing at such a low level. There are too many guys who don't know how to play properly for my liking though.

Btw Acole, where do you play at?

Yeah for sure, it's always been an problem in lower grades when footy players think they're just playing footy on a basketball court and the same type of physicality is acceptable. I've found though that in higher levels you generally see less of it because the players exclusively play basketball and understand the rules and stuff.

Playing at North Melbourne Rec centre (or I was, won't play again this season). I wouldn't recommend it to be honest, you pay for a full season but the games are shortened to 18min running halves with 1-2 min halftime to fit in more games. Also, the refs could not give less of a fuck lol. If I ever play again I'd probably just stick to MSAC.

Coges · « **Reply #1187 on:** June 21, 2016, 01:39:20 am »

Quote from: acole14 on June 20, 2016, 11:35:11 pm

Quote from: Coges on June 20, 2016, 10:12:05 pm
It only takes one off season footy player or low level dickhead to ruin a game. I've been thinking about going back to the mouthguard days but feel like a fool wearing a mouthguard playing at such a low level. There are too many guys who don't know how to play properly for my liking though.

Btw Acole, where do you play at?

Yeah for sure, it's always been an problem in lower grades when footy players think they're just playing footy on a basketball court and the same type of physicality is acceptable. I've found though that in higher levels you generally see less of it because the players exclusively play basketball and understand the rules and stuff.

Playing at North Melbourne Rec centre (or I was, won't play again this season). I wouldn't recommend it to be honest, you pay for a full season but the games are shortened to 18min running halves with 1-2 min halftime to fit in more games. Also, the refs could not give less of a fuck lol. If I ever play again I'd probably just stick to MSAC.

Ah yep. Pretty much the same wherever I've played. They just don't understand the game and don't know how to play hard without being violent.

Yeah we're on 18 min halves too. I play at Dandenong and Knox and the new centre in Wantirna which is probably the best and has the most consistent refs. I tend to go easy on the refs these days though cause at least they're enabling us to play and they don't need some crusty old bastard yelling at them.

Mikey · « **Reply #1188 on:** June 21, 2016, 03:35:23 am »

Quote from: acole14 on June 20, 2016, 08:02:09 am

This was a bit naughty but I got roped into playing ball tonight, the team only had four players so felt a bit bad to leave them hanging. It worked out well because it was the early game so I got the court to do the jumps session I missed last week prior to the game (not 100% of course):

ADEs/warmup (no weight vest)

5 SVJs

5 DSVJs

3 1-step SLRVJs/leg

3 BJ-BJ-VJ

5 SLRVJs

5 DLRVJs

The game was fun, we were outclassed and outmanned but played them close until the last five mins. I drove in and got stripped at least 4 times lol. Just so rusty. Hit a few good shots and a three but again not going 100%.

Had a bit of aggro of course because Australia. Near the end of the game some boofhead footy player hip-and-shouldered one of our guys running a fast break. Caught him high and gave him a nice swollen jaw. I was right there so I gave him a bit of a bump and a word, nothing in it but he flared up started having a go at me, claiming that he 'apologised' (even though he clearly went in recklessly) and that 'basketball is a contact sport' and all that. He kept remonstrating as he subbed off but I just left it. Could tell he just wanted to start trouble. Reminded me of why I hate playing this bush league level of basketball! I didn't mention it earlier but in one of the early games some other guy who was getting frustrated with no-calls swung a blind elbow at me when I was bodying him up in the post on defense. Again, no aggression on my part but nearly got my head taken off! Just for some shitty low-level social basketball game. It just wrecks what should be a fun activity. I really hate that alpha male bullshit! That's one good thing about T&F, none of that male aggression associated with team sport, quite refreshing.

haha bush league.

Bumping somebody in the face is such a dog move. Did the ref call a technical on him?

maxent · « **Reply #1189 on:** June 21, 2016, 03:56:17 am »

These experiences mirror mine on the west coast. The worst was the season i played last year at Lords from august to november. It was neverending and i got injured pretty good on a dirty play. I went straight up in the air to contest a shot, guy sees me go up, gets under me and throws his head up into my ribs. Crack. I was livid. Like comeon on bro, this is a low level rec league, a meaningless game, why you gotta do that? I harboured revenge fantasies next time we faced but when we played them, he was missing, prob just as well, i wud have regretted it after.

AGC · « **Reply #1190 on:** June 22, 2016, 09:09:44 am »

Quote from: Mutumbo000 on June 21, 2016, 03:35:23 am

haha bush league.

Bumping somebody in the face is such a dog move. Did the ref call a technical on him?

Haha nah no way. I don't think they'd know how to call it. It was an unsportsmanlike foul in my eyes pretty clearly.

Quote from: maxent on June 21, 2016, 03:56:17 am

These experiences mirror mine on the west coast. The worst was the season i played last year at Lords from august to november. It was neverending and i got injured pretty good on a dirty play. I went straight up in the air to contest a shot, guy sees me go up, gets under me and throws his head up into my ribs. Crack. I was livid. Like comeon on bro, this is a low level rec league, a meaningless game, why you gotta do that? I harboured revenge fantasies next time we faced but when we played them, he was missing, prob just as well, i wud have regretted it after.

Yeah I also think about how good it would have been to block the shit out of him from behind or get an and-1 afterwards but luckily he subbed out of the game. Like you say I think holding onto that stuff is really dumb. I could tell by how quickly he turned on me that he was probably embarrassed about the hit and had to make out like I was being a dick for saying something about it. I'm pretty sure he was cursing me out after we shook hands as well, I just shook, didn't follow up and fairly sure he was swearing, calling me soft etc when I turned around to walk back to our bench. Stuff like that just screams to me that these guys just can't deal with their anger well. No need to descend to their level.
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This is what my week's looking like training-wise:

Mon - jumps/bball

Tues: ADE plus weighted jumps (5 of each of SVJ, DSVJ, 1-step VJ, walking VJ at 10' ceiling)

Wed: Gym#1 - really good session!

Thurs: Track #1

Fri-Sat: probably nothing or just ADE+light weighted jumps

Sun: flying to LA at 9:30AM Australian time, getting in 6:30AM LA time...staying up until a reasonable time will be brutal

Overall feeling pretty good. My back has got a fair bit of DOMS from the jumps but L knee and R tib-fib are OK. Knocking on a big piece of wood as I type that obviously.

AGC · « **Reply #1191 on:** July 01, 2016, 02:42:19 am »

In San Francisco atm. Had an awesome session with T0ddday at USC in Los Angeles a few days ago! Real-life T0ddday is a champ, hooked me up with a sweet gym, courts and a whole bunch of weights for weighted jumps, even gave me a lift back to my AirBnb in Venice. I highly recommend anyone going through LA to hit him up to train. Very different experience I wouldn't have been able to have normally. Thanks again man!

The actual session was: track warmup, 400m cruise, squat warmup, some banded box squats up to 3x80kgs, some awesome weighted core stuff that I haven't been able to do, then bball warmup and a weighted jump pyramid working up to 40-50lbs I think. The banded box squats were hard as hell. I had jelly legs near the end and the bands were pretty much pulling me down to the box. Failed the last set badly lol. They're much harder for me than regular box squats obviously. After a few attempts to work out my form we stuck with just practicing DLRVJs to get my plant right. It's all over the shop atm but I felt by the end I'm getting the feel of the step-through rotational LR plant that I think will be the best form to actually try and dunk with.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41BZLnmXAfc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41BZLnmXAfc</a>

Great session, but due to the combo of early morning, jet lag and the different exercises (e.g. box squats), I reckon I have probably the worst DOMS in my quads/glutes I've ever had! Lol. It's making the hills of SF pretty unpleasant. I will probably go to the track tomorrow and then the day after that flying to DC and hoping to train with LBSS

Coges · « **Reply #1192 on:** July 01, 2016, 02:52:52 am »

Man that sounds brilliant. So jealous

T0ddday · « **Reply #1193 on:** July 01, 2016, 03:44:21 pm »

^^^

Was great to train Alistair Cole. Unfortunately I had come from an LBSS late night and didn't do the best job as a trainer but hopefully I helped him w his biggest weakness...

My notes on him:

1) Surprisngly similar to LBSS as an athlete. Same perfect long torso build for squatting - warmed up on the squat together at 135lbs he looks about 100x stronger than me... Perfect rigid torso and descent into the hole wheras myself and another client I was training at the time (6'5 guy) are wobbly and unstable w weight on our back... Not able to look stronger in the squat until the weights get too big for him.

2) Lacks explosive strength and stability at the end of the movement as shown in his band squats, hip pop not there. Won't take much to fix.

3) Strange unorthodox basketball game. Played a game of weighted 1 v 1 which I was able to win in an epic comeback thanks to my dead eye long distance shooting. LOL.

4) Decent reach. Only 1-2 inches below mine despite only being 5'9 or 5'10.

5) Weak core strength. Fixing this will do wonders.

6) Decent jumper. Initially could not touch rim, so <30 inch vertical. After weighted jumps and proper warmup was able to get inches above it. While I can't throw a self lob to save my life I do consider myself an expert lob thrower for others and I threw him one he was able to get and attempt a dunk where his hand hit the rim. Judging from this he is only 3-4 inches from a dunk. I have a measured 11 foot mark that he tried to touch and was about 7-8 inches from so his top jump this day was about a 32-33" jump. To catch a lob needs about a 36-37 inch vertical - for me I can't dunk without touching 11' - so to dunk without a lob needs about a 40" jump. Totally possible because...

7) He is TERRIBLE at jumping. Which is great. This is about the best weakness you can have. Hardest person to train is the person who has been playing basketball and has great movement efficiency on approach jumps and has basically maximized jumping efficiency. Just training his approach jump will net him an easy 4 inches or so improvement. This is a good thing.

Overall. Lean, strong athlete. Decent runner. Slightly weaker than LBSS and slightly less stocky but judging from 2 years ago slightly faster than LBSS.

Plan going forward. Abandon deep dip vertical jumps. Increase squat strength and high squat strength with bands moderately. Hammer core strength. Practice rebound jumps and approach jumps with plant religiously. Stay healthy. No reason why a lob dunk can't happen before 2017.

AGC · « **Reply #1194 on:** July 02, 2016, 01:55:35 am »

Yep that is a solid appraisal of where I'm at atm. I'm embarrassed I've been at this for awhile and my approach jumps are still an uncoordinated mess. Argh! But as you say I think I can pull myself out of this unathletic morass pretty soon with smart training.

Had an easy track session today at this beautiful track in SF (Kezar Stadium):

400m/stretch/400m/ADEs/50m sprint drills

3x5 DL bounds

3x5/leg SL bounds

3x50m LRLRL

2x120m 95%

Two laps of fartlek 100s-100j

Didn't have much time but was a good workout. Sprints felt really good.

Mikey · « **Reply #1195 on:** July 03, 2016, 02:25:17 am »

That stadium looks heaps cool and the gym equipment looked impressive as well.

Was that the USC football team training on the field when you guys were doing the 400m?

T0ddday · « **Reply #1196 on:** July 03, 2016, 11:38:47 am »

Quote from: Mutumbo000 on July 03, 2016, 02:25:17 am

That stadium looks heaps cool and the gym equipment looked impressive as well.

Was that the USC football team training on the field when you guys were doing the 400m?

Yeah that's the USC summer practice. They are resurfacing their practice field so now they on the track which is annoying... But you gotta share equipment on some level...

SC has decent equipment, but usually train people their just cause it's convenient to have a track, turf, gym and bball court all within a minute walk. Acoles was shocked that our bball gym has 3 full courts and they were all empty lol.

Mikey · « **Reply #1197 on:** July 03, 2016, 07:54:19 pm »

Quote from: T0ddday on July 03, 2016, 11:38:47 am

Quote from: Mutumbo000 on July 03, 2016, 02:25:17 am
That stadium looks heaps cool and the gym equipment looked impressive as well.

Was that the USC football team training on the field when you guys were doing the 400m?

Yeah that's the USC summer practice. They are resurfacing their practice field so now they on the track which is annoying... But you gotta share equipment on some level...

SC has decent equipment, but usually train people their just cause it's convenient to have a track, turf, gym and bball court all within a minute walk. Acoles was shocked that our bball gym has 3 full courts and they were all empty lol.

Looks world class compared to what I have in my city. We have 1 track for a city of 1.2 million people. All the other 'tracks' are grass tracks and there's not even that many of them around. In terms of stadiums that have 3 basketball courts we have 4 of them, but they are all geographically spread apart. To have all of those facilities in one location would be a dream.

Acole is from Melbourne so they have better facilities, but I can see why he would be shocked.

T0ddday · « **Reply #1198 on:** July 03, 2016, 10:49:02 pm »

Quote from: Mutumbo000 on July 03, 2016, 07:54:19 pm

Quote from: T0ddday on July 03, 2016, 11:38:47 am
Quote from: Mutumbo000 on July 03, 2016, 02:25:17 am
That stadium looks heaps cool and the gym equipment looked impressive as well.

Was that the USC football team training on the field when you guys were doing the 400m?

Yeah that's the USC summer practice. They are resurfacing their practice field so now they on the track which is annoying... But you gotta share equipment on some level...

SC has decent equipment, but usually train people their just cause it's convenient to have a track, turf, gym and bball court all within a minute walk. Acoles was shocked that our bball gym has 3 full courts and they were all empty lol.

Looks world class compared to what I have in my city. We have 1 track for a city of 1.2 million people. All the other 'tracks' are grass tracks and there's not even that many of them around. In terms of stadiums that have 3 basketball courts we have 4 of them, but they are all geographically spread apart. To have all of those facilities in one location would be a dream.

Acole is from Melbourne so they have better facilities, but I can see why he would be shocked.

Interesting... We do have it good here and I have to remind myself to be appreciative of it... Our biggest advantage is year round good weather - almost never rainy and almost always in the 70s... I am always reminded of this when I go to the east coast to travel in the winter and I want to train... In a city where I have no connections and it's cold and rainy it just seems hopeless - the cool thing about LA is even if you have no money or means you can stumble upon a decent track not too far... Even if that's not possible you can always go run hills outdoors...

As far as Australia... How big is fitness there? Sounds like a business opportunity if your city is as underserved as you make it sound... In NYC there are tons of people and terrible weather and they have what is probably the best gym I have seen for the public... It's not cheap by any means but if you can put up a couple hundred a month you literally have it all... Weights, 400m track, 200m banked track, basketball courts, sand volleyball, soccer fields, everything all under one roof:

https://www.chelseapiers.com/

I don't know why more such facilities don't exist in populated cities...

Mikey · « **Reply #1199 on:** July 04, 2016, 08:09:05 am »

Quote from: T0ddday on July 03, 2016, 10:49:02 pm

Quote from: Mutumbo000 on July 03, 2016, 07:54:19 pm
Quote from: T0ddday on July 03, 2016, 11:38:47 am
Quote from: Mutumbo000 on July 03, 2016, 02:25:17 am
That stadium looks heaps cool and the gym equipment looked impressive as well.

Was that the USC football team training on the field when you guys were doing the 400m?

Yeah that's the USC summer practice. They are resurfacing their practice field so now they on the track which is annoying... But you gotta share equipment on some level...

SC has decent equipment, but usually train people their just cause it's convenient to have a track, turf, gym and bball court all within a minute walk. Acoles was shocked that our bball gym has 3 full courts and they were all empty lol.

Looks world class compared to what I have in my city. We have 1 track for a city of 1.2 million people. All the other 'tracks' are grass tracks and there's not even that many of them around. In terms of stadiums that have 3 basketball courts we have 4 of them, but they are all geographically spread apart. To have all of those facilities in one location would be a dream.

Acole is from Melbourne so they have better facilities, but I can see why he would be shocked.

Interesting... We do have it good here and I have to remind myself to be appreciative of it... Our biggest advantage is year round good weather - almost never rainy and almost always in the 70s... I am always reminded of this when I go to the east coast to travel in the winter and I want to train... In a city where I have no connections and it's cold and rainy it just seems hopeless - the cool thing about LA is even if you have no money or means you can stumble upon a decent track not too far... Even if that's not possible you can always go run hills outdoors...

As far as Australia... How big is fitness there? Sounds like a business opportunity if your city is as underserved as you make it sound... In NYC there are tons of people and terrible weather and they have what is probably the best gym I have seen for the public... It's not cheap by any means but if you can put up a couple hundred a month you literally have it all... Weights, 400m track, 200m banked track, basketball courts, sand volleyball, soccer fields, everything all under one roof:

https://www.chelseapiers.com/

I don't know why more such facilities don't exist in populated cities...

Fitness is becoming fairly popular in Australia. We already have heaps of gyms, but they are mainly the Planet Fitness type. In the last 5 years the trend has been for more 24/7 gyms and Crossfit has been gaining some traction as well. There are some niche powerlifting type gyms as well. My gym that I joined costs $12.95 a week and has all the basic equipment that I need. There's no chains, bands, bumper plates or anything, but for the price it's good value.

Climate wise it's a Mediterranean climate- hot and dry in the summer and cold and wet in the winter. So realistically you'd only need an indoor track for about 5 months of the year tops. The real problem is there just isn't the demand for track in Australia. It's not like the US where track is a sport that gets played at school regularly. Schools only have 'athletics day' and you have a couple of meets throughout the year where the fastest kids in one school will race against the fastest kids in other schools in the area. Then the fastest in the area run against the others that win in their areas for state day and if you're lucky enough to be the fastest in the state you get to travel interstate and run nationals.

People would love to have basketball courts though, but I'm not sure how much people would be willing to pay in extra gym memerships just to have an indoor court. My guess in the current economic climate in my state- not much.

*Sorry for the journal hijack acole.

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