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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1080 on: February 23, 2016, 06:53:13 am »
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So yeah since then I took three weeks off sprinting and just hit the gym doing my own stuff 1-2x a week. Also been doing yoga for fun. It's actually not too dissimilar to what I do every night.

Sessions have been like:

*Row warmup - row a kilometre in under 5 mins (best is 4m15s)

*Activation (shoulders, glutes, back, core), hip flexor stretch

*Squats: just messing around for the first week (5x5@80kgs), most recently did 130kg x 3, so my strength isn't too bad.

*Bench: again just messing around, 5x5@50kgs as fast as possible.

*Core: all sorts of things

*Rehab: SL squats, TKEs, lateral lunges with med ball, slow eccentric SL calf raises

Have not done many explosive jumps yet. I had a good session with a myo and got rid of some gunk around my tib anterior and hips/IT band. My knee has definitely improved and achilles also. It's still there when I warm up but not as bad.

I ran in a professional comp this past weekend and overall went well. My speed hasn't dropped so much, it's always hard to gauge improvements in the pro runs as the surface is always different, but I certainly haven't lost anything major. Decided I will run at Stawell in the 70m and 100m. So I have about a month to get my strength back and get the max speed up as much as realistically possible.

I ran tonight in spikes up to ~98%, 4x120m buildups and overall it went well. Knee still feels a little unstable, especially decelerating but it's not hurting.

The focus over the next three weeks before having a rest week before the comp will be: building up to max speed work and getting power/strength up again. If I could hit a 150kg single and run a 120m in about ~13.5 seconds that'd be sweet.

Mon: nothing

Tues: block work hopefully (60m)

Wed: gym, just easy volume strength and rehab/core stuff

Thurs: 5/4/3 120m runs (weekly progression)

Fri
: yoga

Sat or Sun: gym again, SVJs, DSVJs and explosive squats, power cleans, KB swings etc.

I think I'll have to punt major speed endurance and fitness work at this stage. 120m will be pretty good for my needs right now I hope.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1081 on: March 11, 2016, 07:36:07 am »
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Training this week (Week 1/3 before Stawell):

Mon: -

Tues: full warmup then 4x60m out of blocks (these felt good, first time running ~100%) for awhile

Wed: gym (3x6 RDLs@90kgs/3x10-12 hip thrusts@90kgs, 3x10 KB swings@18kgs, rehab and core stuff)

Thurs: 3x120m@97%

Fri: yoga

Sat/Sun: will do some jumps then heavy squats 5/3/2/1

Been running pretty well given the short-term rust. My knee isn't bothering me now, finally healed I think. My L achilles on the other hand, is definitely flaring up after sprints. It's very similar to how my foot was. I never stopped running on it as it never got bad enough to stop, but just took ages to heal. Eventually it did though. I hope that the achilles will follow a similar course, especially since I won't run for awhile after Easter. I'm not worried about my shoes or getting orthotics or any of that crap, I went through all that with my foot but it's all useless. Strengthening and mobility is the key to all these things. I've really cooled on icing (pun intended), I really just don't feel much from regular icing anymore.

One thing I did pick up though was the glyceryl trinitrate patches that Toddday has mentioned. The only trouble is that most of the studies using glyceryl trinitrate for achilles tendinopathy used a 25mg patch that they cut into quarters. Unfortunately I got some that you can't cut because the liquid will drain out of them! So I just stuck a full one on before going to bed. Woke up a few hours later with a headache on par with the worst one I've ever had a few years ago when my head exploded after squats. So I haven't tried them since...I feel sorry for angina patients who have to take them and just suffer through the headaches, I couldn't be bothered with it. Wouldn't recommend at 25mg/patch.

I added in some hip-dominant work with moderate weight on Wednesdays the day before running my longer sprints. I really feel it the next day in terms of hip drive power. Really wish I'd been doing more of that!

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1082 on: March 13, 2016, 12:10:57 am »
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Will try and log a bit more consistently!

Week 1 of 3: Gym#2

Row warmup - 500m in 2:30

Stretching, activation, unweighted BSSs, pullups, light KB swings etc.

3 x squat hold jumps

3x SVJs

Squat: warmup, 100kgx5, 120x5, 130x3, 140x1, 100x5 // in-between: hanging leg raises x 10
--> the 140 was a bit shaky. It felt really slow during but the video looks OK. It's probably pretty much where I'm at atm  :uhhhfacepalm:

2x[side squats@10kgs, 8/side;hamstring cable pulldown@16kgs, 10/side]

Bench: warmup, 1x5@50kgs, 3x5@80kgs

A whole bunch of ab stuff [woodchoppers w/cable, med ball twists etc.] and calf raises/toe raises

BW: 77kgs

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGuEXG204Q" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGuEXG204Q</a>

Can't really tell how high my SVJ is as the rings were up. I'm not getting much more from the eccentric than a squat hold jump so that's something to work on.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1083 on: March 15, 2016, 10:32:22 pm »
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Week 2 of 3: Track#1

Full track warmup (400m jog, dynamic stretching, activation)

5x60m from blocks with gun, 6-8 between

Cool down

BW: 77.5kgs

Pretty good session, achilles again just hurting during the initial jog but then gone. Actually feels good today.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1084 on: March 17, 2016, 07:36:01 am »
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Week 2 of 3: Gym#1

Got the hell beaten out of me at myotherapist earlier, so kept it lighter. It was a good session, I don't think I'll bore anyone with injury stuff any more though.

Row warmup - 500m in 2:30

Stretching, activation, unweighted BSSs, pullups, light KB swings etc.

RDLs: 3x6@60kgs // Hip thrusts: 3x10@60kgs

Bench: 1x5@50kgs, 2x10@70kgs, 1x5@70kgs (fast concentric)

All the usual rehab stuff

BW: 77kgs

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Week 2 of 3: Track#2


Full track warmup (400m jog, dynamic stretching, drills, activation)

3x120m @98%

Cool-down weights/exercises

These felt really good tonight. Achilles was definitely better so I pushed it a bit harder. I think I'm as fast as I can be right now.

My handicaps for Stawell are bizarre. In the 70m I got a lift to 7m (running 63m). In the 100m I got.....6m.  :pokerface: . Whatever, I can approximate a time from it at least.



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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1085 on: March 20, 2016, 01:23:19 am »
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Week 2 of 3: Gym#2

Row warmup (500m in 2:20)

Stretching, activation, unweighted BSSs, pullups, light KB swings etc.

Squat hold jump x 3 (~30'')

SVJx5 (best ~31.5'')

Squat: warmup, 120x5, 130x3, 140x2 (parallel)
-->I had to wait about 10-15mins for the squat rack after jumps for some guy to do 3 sets at 40kgs  :uhcomeon: I probably did a few too many jumps anyway, so the 140kg felt heavy. I just did two parallel/half depth ones instead of risking a full.

1 set, 8-10 reps of: banded hip thrusts w/20kgs, hanging leg raises, woodchoppers, side squats w/10kgs, banded shoulder stuff

1 set, 20-30 reps of: med ball twists, window washers, some more core stuff that I can't remember

BW: 77kgs

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQUh91qLWU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQUh91qLWU</a>

I had rings down this time so was able to roughly measure. My reach in my super-flat running shoes is pretty low compared to bball shoes (around 227cm), I couldn't have been getting more than 1-2cm over the ring, so 306.8-227=79.8-->~31-31.5'' approx. Not great but I haven't really been doing these at all in the last few months so not a bad place to start back.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1086 on: March 22, 2016, 08:50:03 pm »
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Week 3 of 3: Track#1

Full track warmup (400m jog, dynamic stretching, drills, activation)

6 broad jumps: best 2.90m

Starts with blocks/gun: 1x35m, 1x50m 1x65m, 1x80m @ 98%

Cool-down weights/exercises

BW: 77kgs

Pretty good.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1087 on: April 01, 2016, 04:54:32 am »
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Unsurprisingly I didn't run very well at Stawell. I had no chance anyway but I still under-performed time-wise. Nothing really went wrong with prep or warmup, I just wasn't very fast.

In a bit of a slump atm and not really sure how to plan the next phase. I just am flat out not good enough to consider plowing away doing the club training so will be doing my own thing. LBSS's dunk has inspired me though. I think I will spend the off-season getting strong and trying to dunk at the gym. Because that will be fun and training has to be fun above all else. The rest of my life is difficult atm so training has to be some form of enjoyment. I think I'd like to still run next summer but it'll be a more focused on just short sprints as I have no business wasting time trying to run 100m+.

I've been trying to write something up but I'm struggling direction-wise. I'm not really sure what physical state I'm in to move forward with RVJ training. Do I bother with GPP? Volume squats? etc. Should I do Joel Smith's SLRVJ program(http://jumpcoach.blogspot.com.au/2008/12/merry-christmas.html)? SVJ only? Adapt something from this thread (http://www.adarq.org/strength-power-reactivity-speed-discussion/stole-acole14's-program-and-adapted-it-for-myself-thoughts/15/)?

Firstly I just have to kick this achilles bursitis, as it'll really fuck up any SL jumping aspirations. I know once I stop running on it it'll improve, so not planning on doing a single stride for awhile.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1088 on: April 01, 2016, 12:11:12 pm »
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man whatever happened to steven-miller? that guy was a dick. in retrospect that program is too all-over-the-place to be good for jump training. need much more volume of jumps, much less other crap. i don't like joel's program either, again because it's too GPP. he calls it an SLRVJ program but there's no actual SLRVJ! plus if you're worried about your achilles you have no business doing lots and lots of bounds.

i dunno, maybe try to get a 500kg PL total?
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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1089 on: April 01, 2016, 08:43:51 pm »
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man whatever happened to steven-miller? that guy was a dick. in retrospect that program is too all-over-the-place to be good for jump training. need much more volume of jumps, much less other crap. i don't like joel's program either, again because it's too GPP. he calls it an SLRVJ program but there's no actual SLRVJ! plus if you're worried about your achilles you have no business doing lots and lots of bounds.

i dunno, maybe try to get a 500kg PL total?

Funny reading those old threads isn't it? Yeah it was cool having a big German powerlifter on the forum but he was a bit too strength-biased. I probably need to focus on getting strong again but the core of the program needs to be the actual jump movement obviously. I think that holds from dunking right down to lawn bowls.

I was looking more at the workout T0ddday posted at the bottom of page 2. Looks pretty good. I did do Joel Smith's SLRVJ program ages ago and it didn't do much for me at the time but I didn't follow it to a tee from memory. It looks exactly like the type of training the jumpers at our club do, except for the fact that they also, you know, do the actual jump being trained on top of all that!

Here's T0ddday's workout he made for you awhile ago:

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*** Track Workout ***

1) Dynamic Warmup, Leg swings, Fast leg, Skips, Strides
2) 10 Measured overhead backward shot tosses (16lbs, aim to get better at these every workout, do these on a field where you can measure your throw, more than 13 yards is required, getting close to 15 yards is good, close to 17 is very very good).

- Bounding/ Jumping ( choose about 3 of them and also include the running SL vertical jump and REALLY focus on improvement) -

1) 3-6 standing broad jumps
2) 3-6 Depth broad jumps (should go a lot farther on these)
3) 2-3 4 double leg bounds, 8 DL leg bounds (again measure these, hopefully you 4 DL bound is better than 4X standing broad jump)
4) Measured Single leg bounds** (ie LLLL or RRRR)
5) Measured Standing Triple jumps**
6) Running SL vertical jump (3 step, 6 step)
 
- Running -

1) 3-4 Full effort measured 60m sprints (Hand time will suffice as long as you have a buddy who can provide somewhat repeatable times)
2) Tempo Work (If necessary for fat loss, skip if you do weights following track work)

** Either do these full intensity and try to progress OR if you don't feel like you have the hang of it (ie you go less than 10 yards, or you don't get a full cycle in each leg or can't coordinate the arm swing... Then include them as part of the warmup and drill the form until you have it)

**** Weights/Gym Workout ****

1) Warmup
2) Powerclean or Powersnatch -> work up to a challenging weight for a couple triples
3) Squat.   Work up to a challenging but not max single.  Do 2-3 sets of 3-5 with 80% of this.
4) Standing Push Press
5) Deadlifts (Optional)
6) Circuit (Here is where you can do RDLs, Calves, Pullups, etc.  This stuff is important but your mindset when you come into the gym should be in order of preference:  Squat more, Snatch\clean more, push press more/deadlift more.  Thinking about much more than this will cause you to lose focus. )
7) Standing vertical jumps/Running vertical jumps [10 each]
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That's really all you need.  Try to do the track/bound workout 2x per week and then weights 2x week.  If you have more time then you can add another day of weights or add 1-2 more days of track tempo (ie 6-8 x 150 or 200m at 75%) if you need it for fat loss. You can arrange it however you want such as Monday: Track Workout, Tues: Weights, W: Track tempo, R: Track workout (AM), Weights (PM).  Friday rest, Sat: Weights (AM) Track Tempo (PM).
 

I could get behind that. The only thing I'm confused about is why he put SVJ/RVJ at the very end of the weights workout. I could understand it being directly after squats (I do that sometimes), but not after every other exercise...but otherwise it looks OK. Maybe take a couple of weeks just getting prepared to O-lift again, and heal up my bursitis, then do it. The only tricky bit is I don't have access to a shotput, or a weight vest at the track if I go myself. There's a vest at the gym and they have med balls that would suffice (even though the shot tosses are better because it's smaller and easier to palm). Anyway, they're minor logistical issues I could sort out. It would also double as a good off-season track training program anyway!

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1090 on: April 03, 2016, 04:16:29 pm »
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oh yeah that was a good routine. didn't help me jump higher, though. might it be worth getting away from the track for a while, because it's been the site of some discouragement for you? like focus on weights and SVJ for a bit, go full kingfish?

t0ddday put RVJ last for me, as well, and after trying it that way a few times i just ignored the instruction and put it after warm up and skater hops or MB OH throws. it helps to have one or two exercises to get firing but then RVJ should be done un-fatigued.
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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1091 on: April 03, 2016, 06:07:08 pm »
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rvj is last half for convenience, half because athletes jump higher last.  it all depends on your work capacity and muscle mass.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1092 on: April 03, 2016, 09:16:03 pm »
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jump higher last.

not in my case, maybe because my work capacity sucks.
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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1093 on: April 03, 2016, 10:23:03 pm »
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oh yeah that was a good routine. didn't help me jump higher, though. might it be worth getting away from the track for a while, because it's been the site of some discouragement for you? like focus on weights and SVJ for a bit, go full kingfish?

t0ddday put RVJ last for me, as well, and after trying it that way a few times i just ignored the instruction and put it after warm up and skater hops or MB OH throws. it helps to have one or two exercises to get firing but then RVJ should be done un-fatigued.

As much as going full kingfish is tempting I'll try to do it as written initially. Despite the crap season, I really like running and training at the track and it would keep me in touch as least.

rvj is last half for convenience, half because athletes jump higher last.  it all depends on your work capacity and muscle mass.

OK I'll give it a try. When's your site going up btw? Very keen to check it out.

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Re: acole14's journal - DUNK OR DIE
« Reply #1094 on: April 04, 2016, 02:59:01 am »
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Back in high school I would jump the highest after doing "warm up and gymnastics" stuff for 50 minutes. I would be extraordinarily tired yet jump like crazy (but I was light, at 67 kg).

Now I probably jump the highest after 1 or 2 aggressive games of 3 on 3 (I rarely if ever play 5 on 5, I have no place/nobody to play with). Whenever I play 5 on 5 I feel so reactive, so much blood in my legs - I bet if I would play 5 on 5 consistently I wouldn't even need too much plyo work, except for actual jumps.

But I think the heavier you are, the more the jumps need to come "first" - or else by the time you get to jumping you'll be tired, your legs will be filled with blood and you'll be "muscle-bound", not reactive.

At least this is my experience with this so far.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps