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There is really no need to get one of those programs. Most people think that a program they buy is going to have some secret exercise or set/rep scheme that is going to give them crazy gains...... not true.

Do you know what the secret is to getting vert? Getting strong (squat) and learning to display that strength quickly (explosive exercises), that's it, there's no way around it.

The hardest part is gaining strength because it takes a while, you can't get to a 2xbw squat in 4 months unless you are very gifted.

If you are weak then just focus mainly on strength right now (full squats) and do some jumping a few times a week, don't worry about the explosive exercises yet. Also make sure you are eating enough.


Btw, I've done vjb, jump manual, and programs created by adarq. Guess which one gave me the biggest gains by far and got me past plateaus.

btw nicoodie, you're ndee on the live chat right?

peace

Quote from: nicoodie on January 11, 2011, 10:07:26 am

From what I'm getting, all the important people have something negative to say about every single product.

If Adarq had a product I'd just buy that and be done with it.

I need the most solid, updated product to buy for my coming summer regimen. Classify me as a beginner with a lot of heart.

Right now, Jump Manual is the most logical choice for me based on all the reviews I'm getting. I have yet to see any tangible results for VF, but the same goes for Jump Manual. Flying in Four I hear had some fast results.

So which will it be?

(Yeah I know, IRC w/ Adarq >>> all of these shits, but I want at least a program or book to read up on while Adarq's off walking his dog on Sundays)

(No VJB please. Let's not open a can of worms, I know it's the bomb and all, but if it would be those 3 up there, which one?)

My friend,

I have copies of all of these programs.  What I would recommend is that you ask Lance or Andrew to program your training for specifically tailored training.  This is more effective than what amounts to a static template.  If you think you are going to get some "secret" information from any of these programs you are kidding yourself.  One on one coaching will always be more valuable.  Also, if you go with jump manual or vertfreak or flying in four you will have problems that you will not experience here.  What problems you may ask?  Let me break it down for you.

Jump Manual - Recommends to leg press to start.  After spending time talking with Jacob he will switch you over to the squat, but seriously leg press sucks by itself if not coupled with squats.

Vertfreak - 8x100m sprints at the beginning of each workout.  Grammatical errors.  0 customer support.

Flying in four - Static template, Alex Maroko was somehow invovled in this as well.  Perhaps you seek to get the sweet 25" vert that Alex M. has?  Dude is touching rim like no other.

If you are going to buy one of these programs I would go with Jump Manual and stick in close contact with Jacob.  A static template, however, is probably not going to be ideal.  I promise you, that is what you will get.  You can believe me or not, but I went through this whole process.  I couldn't touch the rim when I started.  After lots of smart training I am now able to dunk.  However, hard training will not save you by itself.  I spent many months plateaued using a template.  You can either plateau out on this template based system after a couple months or you can find a way to get coaching from an expert.

Vertfreak - 8x100m sprints at the beginning of each workout.  Grammatical errors.  0 customer support.

Flying in four - Static template, Alex Maroko was somehow invovled in this as well.  Perhaps you seek to get the sweet 25" vert that Alex M. has?  Dude is touching rim like no other.

8x100 sprints are a TERRIBLE way to produce any kind of physiological quality that you'd want as a sprinter. Terrible.

wtf dude! why do you ask for advice when you don't take it?

dont buy any of those programs, they are all just basic templates that anyone here could write for you.

you got enough of good advice in here, like:

Quote from: LBSS on January 11, 2011, 01:35:37 pm

Starting Strength plus jumping a lot before you lift.

Quote from: zgin on January 11, 2011, 11:37:37 am

http://www.adarq.org/forum/performance-training-blog/an-introductory-block/

dont ask more any more questions about which program you should get!

Quote from: KokoyPinoy on January 13, 2011, 10:45:47 am

Quote from: LBSS on January 13, 2011, 10:42:03 am

8x100 sprints are a TERRIBLE way to produce any kind of physiological quality that you'd want as a sprinter. Terrible.

Well I don't know. But that 8x 100m sprint is a light hill incline about a pace above jog. Described as 70% of sprints speed. I think it's a form of recovery session. Sorry, I didn't explain it earlier.

The sprints in week 2 of intermediate explosive are 8x80m at 100%
Week 3 is 8x100m uphill with no % of speed listed.
Week 4 is 10x100m with no % of speed listed. 

I emailed Adam regarding the week 2 sprints and that email is below.  I asked for clarification about weeks 3 and on but was not given a response in terms of the sprint % that you are supposed to use.  I fail to see where it is "described as 70% of sprints speed."  This is not described in the Vertfreak template, but perhaps you received it from another source.

 Me:   3) In the "Intermediate explosive" program you have listed 8x80 uphill sprints before a workout essentially based on squatting and stiff leg deadlifts.  I see no % max listed on the uphill sprints so does that mean you should sprint at full speed?  Wouldn't sprinting 80 meters uphill 8 times at full speed wear you out before squatting?

Adam:  Anything under 100m will be at 100%, with near full recovery between sprints.  Proper recovery, and your squat should be fine.