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Program Review / Re: Project Vertical
« on: April 11, 2011, 06:10:56 am »
 Yea, he trains hard, squats, reverse hypers, etc., not bs workouts.  Also studies performance training and works for a sports training facility if I remember correctly.  Dude has some nice hops, probably worked harder for them 90% of the other guys at that level. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: April 11, 2011, 06:00:03 am »
nice bro, all that hard work payin off!@!

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Squatting weight and vertical jumping
« on: April 11, 2011, 02:31:55 am »
Thank you for the quick replies LanceSTS and SWans05! I am going to put your advice to use tomorrow and stick with front squats w/ good form followed by trap bar deadlifts. And regular back squats on Weds or Thurs depending on how my legs feel followed by single hypers. I will be posting my workouts in the progress journals. Hope to eventually rep 2x my body weight(174).

If you do the first lower body workout on monday, i would do the second on thursday or friday instead of wednesday, that will give you more time to recover and have a more productive workout as you build your work capacity.  The set up of front squat/trap bad deads on day1 and back squat/sl hyper on day 2 looks great, just dont forget calves.

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I plan on following 2-0-1 tempo (eccentric-isometric-concentric) for 4-5 sets depending on my fatigue.  Also is a 6-10 range rep range optimal for strength/vertical jump gains?

 I wouldnt worry about an exact tempo, especially for jump training, focus on a controlled eccentric, followed by the most explosive reversal and concentric you can muster up with solid form so (controlled-x-x). The tempo you listed is not bad but it tends to distract athletes from being as explosive as possible since they are focusing a lot of energy on the time component.  6-10 is a fine rep range for you to be working in right now.



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trying to catch some zzz's pretty amped for the workout tomorrow pz :)



thats great man, good luck with your training!

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Squatting weight and vertical jumping
« on: April 11, 2011, 01:00:30 am »
Whats up Adarq and LanceSTS  :headbang: ,

  I am confused which form of squat I should be training. The 3 options are back squat, front squat, and the squat calve machine.

The levels in strength are completely different. For the squat machine I can comfortably go parallel 225 10 plus reps. Back squat atg 225 one rep barely(3/4 squat I can rep out 8-10), front squats I just started and have only tried 155 3 sets of 6.
:uhhhfacepalm:
My question is which should I choose as my primary exercise and should I just keep doing it ATG or 3/4 for the most weight?

All feed back is greatly appreciated. :highfive:



  Right now back squats will probably give you the most bang for your buck, however keeping front squats in as a supplementary lift can be beneficial as well.  Squat as deep as you can maintain a neutral spine for a while, you can phase in half/quarters and other spp type movements later on after you develop a good overall strength base.  If you want to keep front squats in your program (not a bad idea especially if you are good at them) do them on a different day, or after your back squatting for a few sets, they really help the quads a ton.  

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Yeah, the gym owners wouldn't mind me go over there with saw horses.

The thing is, I have a squat rack but the safeties are too high for me to full squat... it messes everything up since I always have to think "don't hit the supports" and my squat suffers immensly.

lol, hes obviously talking about training at home or somewhere you dont have access to a rack, and saw horses can work well for that.  If youre that worried about not being able to bail out from under the bar or cant do so due to gym rules etc., you can drag two free  standing flat benches and space them to where the plates are on the collars outside the rack, where you will be squatting.  Sometimes the bench is too high, if thats the case then youre out of luck, if the bench is too low, just put plates under the bases until you have the height needed.

  Another thing I forgot to mention earlier with bailing at the bottom, Ive seen several guys do this, using the low or high bar position, but you can take your hands off the bar, place them on your thighs, and push up and back simultaneously, then hop forward.  This gives you more time to get out from under the bar as well as creating more space between your torso and legs when you do it.

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The static dynamic method applied literally is more for weighted lifts:  For example, before a maximum bench press unrack a 120% 1rm load and hold it at lockout for a few seconds.  Before a maximum hang clean or snatch take a heavy weight and do a set of shrugs. I always had my best snatch and cleans doing that by a wide margin, but it doesn't work for everyone.  It'll work for squats too but you gotta be careful because the weight on the full range set will feel extremely light and there's a natural tendency to lose tightness.

For dynamic bodyweight movements I'd use isolation exercises with relatively light weight  for very short periods just to get certain muscle groups fired up better. For sprints something like lightly loaded reverse hyper hold for 7-10 seconds or iso extension iso hold followed by a set of short sprints a few minutes later. Same for bodweight hip flexor holds.

  I got my hang clean up 45 lbs doing something very similar in college, I used a high pull from the hang with 50lbs of chains added, (have to hang the chains attached to collar so there is loading/deload throughout the whole rom and not by small chains).  I would do a set of 3 with the chains, rest 2 minutes, then take the chains off and hit pr after pr for a good period of time.  Ive noticed that this potentiation method works extremely well with more dynamic lifts, where the body has a limited amount of time to produce force.  Jump squats with band tension, then removing the band and repeating the set almost always gives a pr for everyone on the the tendo for height and speed.

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Squatting weight and vertical jumping
« on: April 09, 2011, 09:37:56 am »
  Looks pretty good to start with man, work up to a little higher box and put your foot further in front of it when you get used to the exercise and feel more stable and strong with it.  Take your time between reps and dont rush, make each one powerful and perfect. 

  Putting the bar lower as raptor suggested will definitely help with the knee issues, and being a single leg jumper its a good idea anyway. 

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When you squat in the low bar position the bar just presses (at least for me) hard into the hands. If you fail a rep, and are outside the squat cage, how do you unload the bar? How do you get outta there? I'm talking no spotter.

Because with the low bar, there's no space but down for the bar to slide and if that happens, it could catch your arms/elbows and pull you down.

shrug violently and explosively, hop forward. This is not hard at all, but you do need to practice dumping lighter weights if youre going to  use it during M.E. sets. 

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: funny / horrible training videos
« on: April 06, 2011, 08:59:14 am »
jcsbck, good eye! jj barea is my favorite player

lmao. ahahahahaha!!

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Deadlift and squat form
« on: April 05, 2011, 12:43:54 pm »
 Your starting position on your deadlift is way off, you need to have your shoulders out over the bar, and the bar close to your shins.  You also need to get on your heels and not on your toes, that is definitely contributing to the lower back pain as your giving away a ton of leverage to the bar. Take your time at the start of the deadlift, before you begin pulling.  Bigger arch, chest spread more, turn your belt line down to the floor, weight on heels, and start the bar 1 inch away from your shins, when your shins are at a perpendicular angle to the floor. 

  Cant tell anything about your squat without a video, but if youre on your toes during your deads your likely doing that on your squat as well.

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Thats a dead end road youre looking at going down man, trying to target tendons specifically with isos instead of training movements/muscles is a terrible idea and it never works out for anyone.  If youre getting stronger, training explosively, jumping, sprinting/doing reactive/plyo work, all that will take care of itself.  Trying to isolate tendons, especially with isos is not a good idea, it may sound good in theory, but in the real world, it just doesnt pan out.

Check this out. Thoughts on the %'s?.

Original Link: http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Abstract/2007/08000/Plyometric_Vs_Isometric_Training_Influences_on.55.aspx


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Plyometric Vs.Isometric Training Influences on Tendon Properties and Muscle Output.

Abstract.


The purpose of this study was to concurrently determine the effect that plyometric and isometric training has on tendon stiffness (K) and muscle output characteristics to compare any subsequent changes. Thirteen men trained the lower limbs either plyometrically or isometrically 2-3 times a week for a 6-week period. Medial gastrocnemius tendon stiffness was measured in vivo using ultrasonography during ramped isometric contractions before and after training. Mechanical output variables were measured using a force plate during concentric and isometric efforts. Significant (p < 0.05) training-induced increases in tendon K were seen for the plyometric (29.4%; 49.0 < 10.8 to 63.4 < 9.2 N[middle dot]mm-1) and isometric groups (61.6%; 43.9 < 2.5 to 71.0 < 7.4 N[middle dot]mm-1). Statistically similar increases in rate of force development and jump height were also seen for both training groups, with increases of 18.9 and 58.6% for the plyometric group and 16.7 and 64.3% for the isometric group, respectively. Jump height was found to be significantly correlated with tendon stiffness, such that stiffness could explain 21% of the variance in jump height. Plyometric training has been shown to place large stresses on the body, which can lead to a potential for injury, whereas explosive isometric training has been shown here to provide similar benefits to that of plyometric training with respect to the measured variables, but with reduced impact forces, and would therefore provide a useful adjunct for athletic training programs within a 6-week time frame.

(C) 2007 National Strength and Conditioning Association

Yea man, I have seen tons of studies on isos and tendon training, the problem is what actually works in theory and what happens in the real world.  If tendon training and stiffness were so important, why are the 100m sprinters faster than the 200 and 400m guys? One thing you have to remember about stiffness, JOINT stiffness is what matters, which is a combination of tendon stiffness AND MUSCULAR STIFFNESS.

  I know it sounds good looking at the studies to want to target tendons specifically with isos, and many people have gone down that path, most of them quit training after they lost most of their athletic ability or spun their wheels for years.  As far as the study pasted, what those athletes had been doing prior to the testing has to be taken into consideration, as well as what wouldve happened over a longer time frame.  Isos can have their place being a MINUTE part of a well structured plan, but focusing on training tendons and stiffness and spending most your time on them is going to put you on a one way street to nowhere.

  Go look at the extreme iso threads on here for a start, it sounds great when described by schroeder and adarqs pal colbert, but in reality its just a bunch of pseudo science pushed as a golden ticket to elite athleticism.  People dont want to believe that its hard to get fast, to jump high, they want to believe there is something magical out there that they arent doing, that they will stumble on and all of a sudden become elite.  Thats where the isos, arp, strength shoes, etc. etc. come in and mislead people, its what theyve been waiting to hear, but in reality, its nothing more than a good  activation/positional/flexibility exercise that will have a very minute strength effect IF the athlete is at a low level of strength.   Train movements, train explosively and progressively.  If you want to include isos thats perfectly fine and there is a place for them, but it should make up about 1% of your total program.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Imbalances
« on: April 04, 2011, 09:46:35 am »
In my opinion, your best bet is to decrease the weight and go with more reps. More reps mean more volume for both your legs, and less weight means your weak leg won't have as much overload and will "try" to keep up. You need to stop your set when the weak leg starts to give up.

In my opinion, your best bet is to decrease the weight and go with more reps. More reps mean more volume for both your legs, and less weight means your weak leg won't have as much overload and will "try" to keep up. You need to stop your set when the weak leg starts to give up.


^^  That part in bold is EXTREMELY important, you just reinforce the imbalance and bad form by continuing to let it happen, and the risk of injury is getting higher and higher along with it.

Coming both from Raptor and Sir Lance, i will do it. But I just did sets of 10 in the afternoon and my left leg didn't gave up (it can do more I think, because it ain'y fatigued or something) but i was leaning to the right, I think. Maybe I should lean to the left more and make my reps slow(?? maybe a bad idea) to focus on my left leg? Because if I do the rep fast I can't control the weight distribution on my legs. Any idea raptor, sir lance and other bros(?) ??

 Go slow until you are able to perform your reps evenly, then you can add the speed and power, as well as load.  Strength and coordination in the 2 leg squat is very movement specific to the 2 leg squat, so youre going to have to practice it either way, bringing up the strength of the other limb individually is a good idea too, but its not going to fix the problem by itself.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Imbalances
« on: April 04, 2011, 04:39:59 am »
In my opinion, your best bet is to decrease the weight and go with more reps. More reps mean more volume for both your legs, and less weight means your weak leg won't have as much overload and will "try" to keep up. You need to stop your set when the weak leg starts to give up.


^^  That part in bold is EXTREMELY important, you just reinforce the imbalance and bad form by continuing to let it happen, and the risk of injury is getting higher and higher along with it.

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isos? why isos?

reactive work.. rebounds (plyos/hops/bounds etc), jumps, sprints.

What about the diagram above (Muscle actions & energy contribution)?. Stating an isometric contraction leads to greater energy store in the tendons as opposed to concentric/eccentric contractions which store less?.

Do plyos/hops/bounds cut it optimally considering poor form would create conconcentric/eccentric contractions?. Or would they?.

I don't mind doing ISO's at all, as long it's doing my tendons good.

Thats a dead end road youre looking at going down man, trying to target tendons specifically with isos instead of training movements/muscles is a terrible idea and it never works out for anyone.  If youre getting stronger, training explosively, jumping, sprinting/doing reactive/plyo work, all that will take care of itself.  Trying to isolate tendons, especially with isos is not a good idea, it may sound good in theory, but in the real world, it just doesnt pan out.

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 a good alternative would be the shakeweight.

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