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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 24, 2013, 02:18:38 am »
Nov 17-23, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #142 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
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Sun Nov 17 455x1 | +10

Mon Nov 18 455x1 | +10

Tue Nov 19 440x1 | +10 had to cut down on jumping reps. accumulated more fatigue than i can recover from.

Wed Nov 20 455x1 | +10

Thur Nov 21 455x1 | +10

Fri Nov 22  | < 7.5hr sleep. top set skipped

Sat Nov 23 455x1 | +10

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Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Nov 17,20,22

Dips - Paused
BWx20-30 Nov 17,19,21

Standing Shoulder Dumbell Press - Paused
45 x10 x10 Daily

** week 1 of 2. 455x7 weekly routine. rest. maintain 210-212BW.

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My legs were usually shot after squats so there was no way I could do max jumping, and even regular jumping.

My first two months training for vert, 5 years or so ago resulted in a 7.5-8inch increase in vert in 8 weeks with no jump training with minimal jumping but my running vert stayed the same because my movement efficiency back then was horrible. For SVJ i don't know if it's necessary to practice it that often, however f/v time curves of RVJ is completely different and requires more than muscle strength than SVJ in proportion to tendon elasticity and stiffness.

Have you measured your RVJ? 

Yes ian that's what I mean, in short. It's difficult in my experience to train tendon stiffness with muscle strength for whatever reason but yea be consistent with jumps + squats and see where you can go.

squat with less intensity. leave yourself enough gas for the jumping drills.

most vert trainees really screw things up by wanting so much so soon.


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 18, 2013, 02:57:01 am »
are you still planning on training for the 60m? have you ever timed a 40yd dash? would be curious to see how your beastly legs perform!

no formal sprint training yet. just some hill sprints for conditioning.

Do you ever practice RVJ or have a video of you performing one? Your SVJ seems extremely similar to your squat form, so I was wondering if your RVJ looked like your squat form too.

all SVJ when it comes to jumping. RVJs eventually gets you broken.

here's a 3-step vert:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9C7eiLlVX0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9C7eiLlVX0</a>

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Shorter stockier legs, shorter toes, indicates strength dominance, less tendon elasticity in general... so ST might be a better route (maybe). Longer legs, longer toes may indicate greater tendon elasticity and plyos may benefit you more, or rather, you may respond to plyos better. There are plenty of athletes that only do plyos and become high fliers and can't squat shit. But that doesn't work for us for the most part. Similarly, getting "stronger," and I put that in quotes because muscle strength gained in a squat doesn't transfer over to a running vertical jump for everyone the same way so the "strength" being applied during the jump is questionable, doesn't work for everyone either. You hear a few success stories here and there (Kingfush on this forum but i haven't seen his running vert not sure if it exists or his sprint times but if you want to squat to improve your vert, take at least 2 years and devote yourself to weightlifting. Many here take that route, and I haven't seen a single success story yet except for kingfish. As a newbie on this forum, I want you to synthesize your own ideas, like I did, instead of being sucked into the dominant paradigm.

Getting stronger over the past two years (not being able to squat 225 to being able to double 315lbs for two sets) made me slower, and decreased my running vertical jump. But I didn't sprint or jump at the same time. Currently, i am improving my lunge strength (right now doing 190lbs with each leg with dumbells) while doing plyos so we'll see how that goes.

My best vert has been obtained before I could squat 225 comfortably for reps, and afterwards. So clearly something is going on other than muscle size that helps produce "power."

the only thing i did non-conventional is to do my SVJ drills after my squat routine.

you strength trained without doing the skill work of jumping, then expect the jump to improve..  :uhhhfacepalm:

i do many reps of jump drills in a workout to improve my SVJ and those are done after i turned my muscles on with near-max full squat reps.

i could have a 20-40 total squat reps in the 6-8reps for my volume workouts but still have enough gas in the tank to do 100s+ reps of jump drills doing jump ropes, hurdles, jump squats, 2-hand SVJ dunks..

I didn't jump because I couldn't, I didn't feel like it because the motor pattern took over, as it does for most people here who get into lifting heavy. People become preoccupied with it and for get their original goals, to DUNK, and be an explosive beast, not a fat piece of steroid injected shit who deadlifts 1000 lbs... yet that's what you guys like to post in the beast thread, un-athletic fat powerlifters and olympic lifters, nothing to do with athleticism whatsoever.

not going to happen if you do more jump reps. get a jump rope and rep away.


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 16, 2013, 11:43:59 pm »
Nov 13-16, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #137 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Nov 13 455x1 | +10

Nov 14 455x1 | +10

Nov 15 455x1 | +5

Nov 16 455x1 | +5

Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
9x45 x20 Nov 16

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Nov 13,15

Dips - Paused
BWx20-30 Nov 14,16

Standing Shoulder Dumbell Press - Paused
45 x10 x10 Daily

* adding more SVJ drills - BW / 2x25lb x8s.

** week 1 of 2. 455x7 weekly routine. rest. maintain 210-212BW.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 13, 2013, 12:17:54 am »
Nov 11-12, 2013

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455 #133 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
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Nov 10
425x1 | +40  :uhhhfacepalm:

Nov 11
455x1 Day  | +10


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Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
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Standing Shoulder Dumbell Press - Paused
45x20 Nov 11-12

* 8-week (56 day) straight 455lb and over top set ended Nov 11. my form felt unstable at the hole with the 405 warmup. 405 concentric was still routinely explosive and fast. did not bother using 455 and break something. my hamstrings are a little sore from the weekend deep-tissue massage.

* decided to just go 425. should have used 455. i powered that 425 easily but would fatigue me if i do another heavy single. hamstrings soreness just made the stability approaching the hole somewhat weak and jello. quads blasted the concentric without any problem.

** week 1 of 2. 455x7 weekly routine. rest. maintain 210-212BW.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 11, 2013, 01:35:21 am »
Nov 9-10, 2013

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455 #132 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
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Nov 9
455 x1 Day 55 | +10

Nov 10
455 x1 Day 56 | +10


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Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
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Dips - Paused
BWx20 Nov 9

* went for a 2-day trip to  calistoga CA for some mud bath/full massage.  might be a little beat from the full body sport massage but was still able to get a 3-hour afternoon preworkout nap.

** week 3 of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 08, 2013, 08:47:26 pm »
Nov 7-8, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #130 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
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Nov 7
455 x1 Day 53 | +10

Nov 8
455 x1 Day 54 | +5


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BWx20 Nov 8

Dips - Paused
BWx30 Nov 7

* change sleep pattern on a friday because of a weekend vacation plan. was supposed to be at least +10lb strong over the 455 but i was off from being awake on a friday early afternoon. my usual work night sleep is 8:30-4:30pm.. i was already up at 1:30pm today. still got my 7.5hr+.

** week 3 of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 07, 2013, 12:13:22 am »
Nov 5-6, 2013

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455 #128 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
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Nov 5
455 x1 Day 51 | +5lb

Nov 6
455 x1 Day 52 | +10lb


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100 x20 Nov 5

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* +xx lb = effort level. the bigger the number, the more power i have over that weight. 0 = some kind of form breakdown but still got the weight up. +5 = heaviest i can lift without a noticeable sticking point crawl.

** week 3 of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 05, 2013, 12:52:52 am »
Nov 4, 2013

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455 #126 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
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Nov 4
475 x1 Day 50 | 475 max

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Dips - Paused
BW x20

* heaviest 475x1 i've done. last week was tough. only 3 of 7 days were non-maxd. 2x +10lbs and 1x + 5lbs. im not burned out to the point of skipping the 475. i don't have back to back max days with the 455. yet. 

** week 3 of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 03, 2013, 07:34:30 pm »
Nov 2-3, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #126 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #5
315 x1
365 x1
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Nov 2
455 x1 Day 48 | 455 max

Nov 3
455 x1 Day 49 | 465 max

Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
9x45s x20 Nov 2

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Nov 3

Dips - Paused
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* will go 475 again tmrw and deload the rest of the week back to 455.

** 2nd week of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 02, 2013, 11:17:28 am »
Oct 31-Nov 1, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #124 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #5
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Oct 31
455 x1 Day 46 | 455 max

Nov 1
455 x1 Day 47 | 460 max

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Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
Nov 1 BWx20

Dips - Paused
Nov 1 BWx20

* added dips again for an upperbody push. no need to tire my back doing the standing dumbell press. slowly recovering from that back soreness that peaked last tuesday. i should be 465 strong this afternoon after another good sleep. 

** 2nd week of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: Pre-Workout supplements
« on: October 30, 2013, 09:39:57 pm »
That's nuts!

Btw KF I realised you take a lot of caffeine because duh you are a daily squatter so you kinda have to take a lot unlike someone who only lifts 3x a week.

Have you ever tried going without it? Wonder if that would help you reduce CNS fatigue. I feel as though it would because that much caffeine so often has got to be tough on the nervous system especially with very high frequency training as yours.

Lately ive reduced my caffeine intake quite a bit and I like it, don't get so wired and find it easier to sleep after training now.

i can do with 0mg-800mg caffeine a day without any headaches or withdrawals. i take black coffee at 5am and still sleep 7.5hr at 8am.



 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: October 30, 2013, 09:35:51 pm »
Oct 30, 2013

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455 #122 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #5
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455 x1 Day 45 | 465 max

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* standing one-arm dumbell press was tiring my back. will figure this out  but il skip these for now too. yesterday's 455 was the heaviest 455 ive done in a while. had to sleep 12+hrs to repair myself. did a lot better this afternoon. 

** 2nd week of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

do you swing your arms with the plates?

no armswing. practicing the SVJ with as little fatigue as possible in order to do more total reps.  fatigue increases exponentially with jump height. 


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: October 29, 2013, 07:28:14 pm »
Oct 28-29, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #121 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #5
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Mon Oct 28
475 x1 Day 43 | 475 max

Tue Oct 29
455 x1 Day 44 | 455 max

Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
9x45 x20 Skip

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BW x20 Oct 28

Dumbell Press - Paused
45lb x20 Oct 28

* 2nd week of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

* light loaded jumpsquats + SVJs for speed work while maintaining squats. i hold 2x 25lb hex plates and do 6-8rep JSquats with resets followed by SVJs after 1-2min rest.

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