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I knew you were lurking on the Island. 

Or did you see it somewhere else? Either way, I gotta cut back on going to that place, it's addictive. And either way, that kid is ric ckulously strong.

Quote from: LBSS on April 21, 2010, 04:01:12 pm

Go watch a video of someone doing a sumo dead lift properly. Maybe this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r--etdWUmc0. You will notice that the dude sets, gets all the tension out of his arms and shoulders, and pulls smoothly off the ground. What you do is grab the bar and jerk upwards. Even your head jerks around. Sure, you might be getting stronger, but like Adam. said, the toll on your joints will catch up with you no matter how "clean" you eat.

My philosophy is to use momentum as required . . . with the joints in my spine, neck, shoulders, ankles, knees, hips, elbows...because that is what occurs during a vertical jump. During a sumo deadlift, you are sumo deadlifting. During this exercise I posted, you are performing a jump and it neeeds to be jerky. THis isn't unconventional wisdom really, but if you want to powerflit, powerlift. If you want to be an athlete you should use as much momentum as possible, unless you want to avoid using the joints that particular day.

Jumps aren't jerky, they're smooth and fluid. Or should be. Go watch the t-dub videos. Nothing about him is jerky. He's springy, but you look like someone just grabbed you and shook you hard. Of course, during a sumo dead lift, you are sumo dead lifting. You are also increasing the strength of your glutes, hams and spinal erectors. And, to a lesser extent, your arms, upper back and shoulders. All of which play a role in jumping. Just as there is no perfect transfer from sumo dead lifting to jumping, there is no perfect transfer from running up to the bar and jerking it towards your hips to jumping. The only perfect transfer to jumping is from jumping. The goal of strength training (unless, as you say, you're a power lifter) is to strengthen your muscles so that they will produce more force when you practice or perform athletic movements either on their own or while playing a sport.

Your fencing thing is also the result of diet, and it is still curable.

I have a bone spur in my left foot, on the first metatarsal of my left big toe. Repeated friction between the proximal phalanx and first metatarsal caused the cartilage to wear down and bone to grow in as a reaction. Fencing does not cause this problem in most people, but A) my posture was bad, and B) the surface of the proximal phalanx is too flat; I was born that way. Diet does not enter the equation in my case. Same as ligament tears, tennis elbow, pick your poison. Ask an orthopedic surgeon how big a role diet plays in herniated discs relative to chronic or acute trauma to the spine.

Squats don't work for me - I have mild scoliosis so extra pressure is on my lower back (since my upper back is curved). And deadlifts hit the back too much.

Fair enough.

THis is essentially a trap bar deadlift.

No, it's not. It's a straight-bar-straddling jerky dead lift. And anyway, why wouldn't you just do a trap bar dead lift? I've done jump squats with the trap bar. Feels great. I mean, I get that you're trying to use momentum but that...doesn't...make...sense.

This exercise was inspired by something I've seen form Nick Nillson, who performs weirder exercises that you would thinka re worse for your joints. Anyway, why are you even asking 'why I'm reinventing the wheel?' THe mere fact that your mind is clouded with that thought prevents you from being rational about this. I'm doing something that I think works and feels right for me.

I'm asking why you're reinventing the wheel because there are dozens of different exercises that have been used for decades if not centuries by the best athletes the world has ever seen, with great results and great safety. With such a large menu of effective, safe exercises, why would you try to come up with one on your own that might not be as effective as some other exercise that already exists, and might be unsafe? But what do I know? If you feel like you're making gains with it then knock yourself out.

I've followed lyle mcdonald for a while, he's awesome.  However Alan aragon tries hard, but clean eating is a complex issue and no one has it down right. I eat fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, (including peanuts a legume), seaweeds, and fermented foods. That's clean, pasteurized dairy/chicken and 180 grams of peptide-bonded protein that is difficult tto digest. I haven't read everything form him though so I'll leave the browser open, he has some good stuff but I can't agree with all of it. I eat Raw Food, extremely beneficial, and the science is coming in now. Nutrition science is quite a new field..and there are a lot of questions being answered wrongly and correctly. If you trust what the FDA says, you're not enjoying the best health out there.

I would bet my life and the lives of my immediate family members (five lives in total, for the record) that Lyle agrees with Alan that the raw food movement is largely full of shit. I've certainly seen him mock "clean" eating on many occasions. Like every day. Sure, there may be cases where raw food might be indicated or beneficial. But that movement is just like Paleo, or Zone, or Atkins, or any other diet fad. A small group of people find something that they think works for them, decide that for that reason it must work for everyone to the exclusion of all other diets, and then promote it zealously, evidence be damned. Or they take a few independently correct things and create an entire dogma about them. Take a deeper look at Alan's stuff.

What is hilarious is that I had a HUGE debate on milk on mind and muscle forums, a great forum, and how I believe pasteurized milk really does kill your joints. You're not going to find a correct answer through large scale studies, because there are equal amounts showing it improves bone health and that it reduces or has absolutely no benefit to bones/muscle. It's the individual's special situation that determines if whatever food is right..but overall, pasteurized milk and other dairy products are linked to joint problems, and most importantly, are INFLAMMATORY. How do people come to this conclusion when there are so many LARGE studies showing the opposite? Small scale, CASE studies which provide us with a more narrow/specific insight, although there are enormous amounts of scientific data showing milk is not helping bone problems.

You want to talk about sample sizes of one? I drink a ton of milk and have since I was a little kid. Beyond the aforementioned toe issue (unrelated to diet, as discussed) and some hypermobility (completely and utterly genetic and thus also unrelated to diet), I have no joint issues at all. And great digestion. You should see my shits, dude. Beautiful.

My problem with large studies is that they disregard so many variables... and that people belive what the study says without questioning what was missing using their own logic.

The irony of this statement defies belief.

Stop drinking dairy and your foot or whatever may improve. My friend was a workout buff and got injured all the time, he does not drink dairy anymore and seems to be doing better. It's these individual testimoies I trust more that extremely large studies which are generally easier to interpret than the more detailed specific case studies. Has anyone studied what happens to your joints after high impact loading consuming bee pollen, spirulina, colostrum, velvet deer antler, cacao, hemp seeds.... not yet, but I look forward to when I get the chance.

Good for your friend. Maybe he was lactose intolerant. Or maybe milk had nothing to do with it. I've never heard of milk causing or promoting injuries. Explosive farts, sure. If you have studies to back that up, please share them. As I've said above, the chances approach zero that drinking milk had a role in my toe condition. And I'm not about to stop drinking milk because protein is essential to gain muscle (or to prevent loss if gains are not desired) and milk contains cheap, easily if slowly digestible (there, I said it--but then I'm NOT lactose intolerant*), high-quality protein. I also eat chicken, beef, pork, and fish. And enjoy every minute of it when I do. Eggs, too. Those are also good sources of very high-quality protein and fat. Not to mention they're hella good for you. That's right.

All that being said, the only individual testimony that should matter is your own to yourself. If you feel good and are making gains on the raw/fermented food kick, power to you. Don't listen to me or anyone else. Incidentally, it'd be awfully hard to do a serious study on the effects on joint health of consuming pollen or hemp seeds or whatever after high-impact loading because the effect of high impact loading (depth jumps, improper form while fencing, etc.) is cumulative. It takes years and years sometimes to become a problem. I hope you pull off a study someday because it'd be a fascinating read. No joke or sarcasm there, I'm serious. But my doubts about your finding positive results are thiiiiiiiiiis big (I'm now holding my arms out as far as they'll go...there).

The biggest thing that I've learned from Lyle and Alan (and others) is that everything has its place, and you should do everything in moderation most of the time. Raw food might work great for some people but as a general prescription it is more likely to be wrong than not.

*Nor do I have Celiac...so I can eat all the grain I want! And, as I said before, my digestion works like a god damn charm. It's all in the shits, man.

Whoa, whoa, settle down there tiger. Let's not take this down to ad hominems. This is the internet, there are rules. First, no one was debasing YOU, we were just calling out the ridiculous EXERCISE that you posted a video of yourself doing. Second, it's probably bad for you even with perfect form and it's definitely bad for you with the herky-jerky motion you use even while standing still, let alone while running up. Go watch a video of someone doing a sumo dead lift properly. Maybe this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r--etdWUmc0. You will notice that the dude sets, gets all the tension out of his arms and shoulders, and pulls smoothly off the ground. What you do is grab the bar and jerk upwards. Even your head jerks around. Sure, you might be getting stronger, but like Adam. said, the toll on your joints will catch up with you no matter how "clean" you eat.

Third, why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? Why not stick to what has worked for countless people for decades before you go out and try to come up with shit on your own?

Fourth, joint health or lack thereof is linked to diet at some level but it's also linked to trauma, particularly of the chronic variety. Just ask me, I'm 23 and have arthritis in my left big toe thanks to 6 years of fencing with improper form when I was in middle and high school. All the clean eating in the world would not have saved me. Check out the abstracts adarq posted. Or ask pitchers whose elbows and shoulders fall apart, or basketball players or offensive linemen who can barely walk because their knees are in crippling pain. Those are all extreme examples but I hope you see the point. Plenty of pro athletes have fantastic diets that they stick to like lunatics (because most pro athletes ARE lunatics at some level). Doesn't save their joints.

For more on "clean" eating, please see Alan Aragon (alanaragon.com). Or Lyle McDonald (bodyrecomposition.com). I used to believe in the "clean," "Paleo" BS. Even tried eating "Paleo" once upon a time. Thank god I got that over with.

Sigh, I can't even really keep hating from behind this here computer screen. The urge to help is too strong. Whether you think I'm being a condescending douche or listen to what I'm saying, or both, is up to you. You gotta do what you gotta do. Good luck.

Quote from: tkxii on April 20, 2010, 10:22:03 pm

Ok adam, before you think you know what this is before trying it, try it. Yes this was a max lift, so only when my left leg is the plant leg, is my form minimally involving the back, you can see this in the deep squat like position. COming in with the right leg as the plant leg I did use back more. DIdn't I write that in the desscription?

And the bad for your back/knees/joints/whatver usually is the result of terrible diet that promotes inflammation and never properly heals. I can do the worst shit for my joints, incredibly high depth drops, high velocity exercises with dumbells, and I don't ever seem to suffer.

Are you like 15? I could have done repeated drops off a high rise without joint pain at your age. It will catch up. This exercise is retardedly bad for you.

+1. This is the single most retarded exercise I have ever seen on the internet, and I have seen some bad ones. And trust me, we're being nice. The only reason I haven't linked to the vid on some less forgiving forums --and I know some people who would get a lot of enjoyment out of it-- is because you do look about 15. Too young to really deserve hardcore hate. But seriously, dude. Just stop. Stick to the basics.

Ah, to be 6-3 with an 8-2 reach...

Saturday was first club ultimate event, just a casual scrimmage for returners and a couple of great pickups before tryouts start next week. It was windy as hell so just a goofy game. Lot of fun. Except one of our great pickups separated his shoulder trying to D me on a swing pass... Fuck. AND he doesn't have insurance so he couldn't go to the hospital. Gotta love this fucking country.

Anyway, today jumps felt terrible. Oh well. I need a new plan now, the knee is feeling pretty solid and I'm frustrated again.

Warm up
jog to gym
usual

Work
DLRVJ (more R this time cause there weren't many people in the gym) x some
jump squat x3x3x100 (trap bar)
squat 2x3x280, 4x280
GHR 3x5xbw -- I'm doing these wrong somehow

Cool down
stretch

I'm kind of thinking a sprint plus jumps day, a high-volume jump plus explosive weights day and a low-volume jump plus full body heavy weights day. Some easy tempo or LISS one or two off days. Even a brisk walk would count. Just to get the blood flowing a little. So like

Monday - depth jumps, heavy squats (1 or 2 top sets), heavy lower leg assistance (BSS, DL, step-ups), bench, DB row
Tuesday - LISS/easy tempo
Wednesday - ankle hops, DLRVJs, hurdle jumps, box jumps, SVJs, tuck jumps, etc. (pick three), jump squats, clapping pushups, inverted rows
Thursday - LISS/easy tempo
Friday - rest
Saturday - practice
Sunday - sprints, DLRVJs, core (good that this is on a weekend cause I can do them even if I'm in Baltimore, which I am a lot these days)

Thoughts?

And then himself. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5112471