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 In squatting for jumping improvement, IN MY OPINION, the amortization phase, the point in the movement where the bar goes from downward motion to upward, is the single most important part of the lift.  I have seen and strongly believe that the athletes who can turn the lift around the fastest will always have the best carryover to jumping.  It is more about how quickly you can get to top speed at that particular point in the lift, than the overall speed attained during the movement.  

Interesting point and I think adarq has said this before in reference to REA squatting and jump squatting. I'm pretty sure I suck at this part of the movement. Any cues/tips on improving it?

It'll hurt like a bitch if it's what stops your upward movement.

  Thanks guys! Cant explain in words how happy I am to be a part of this great place!@!@

And we, in turn, are happy to have someone who wakes up in the morning and can answer our questions before 3 PM EST. 

Quote from: Flander on November 21, 2010, 02:08:28 pm

Happy bday twin.  Im 24 today as well then.  Damn I feel old. Maybe thats why you wrecked your back. Because of your extreme age. 

LBSS happy birthday !!!

Flander are you trying to depress me? 

Mid-20's baby! I'm getting on in years, for sure. Vag, you should pretty much hang 'em up at this point. 

@adarq: I think you're right, combo of hip flexion/extreme posterior tilt did it. It was already feeling better throughout yesterday and I did some stretches and stuff. About 95% today, I'd say. Good enough to get back under the bar. 

Warm up was standard. I really think it might be because it was the morning and my spine was still loose from sleep. But what about the tucking movement stressed it out, I don't know.

Anyway, thanks for the happy birthdays guys!

Actually it looks like 95 to me. But who's counting? He didn't do full depth squats in the middle there so he's obviously wasting his time. 

Quote from: LBSS on November 19, 2010, 03:45:58 pm

Yeah cause god knows you can't become stronger without ATG squatting. Elite athletes do strength exercises, they ARE STRONG, but many of them don't do full squats. In fact, I wonder how many Olympic athletes do real, honest-to-god full squats in their training, lifters aside. Or how many players within a given pro sport.

Do you think Rajon Rondo full squats when he trains? How about Vince Young? How about Chris Johnson? How about Cristiano Ronaldo? Dwight Howard? Jason Kidd? Andre Agassi, back in the day? How about Lindsay Vonn? I don't know, but I highly doubt it. Why should they invest time, energy and mental focus in steven-miller-approved full squatting? They spend all their time and energy doing important things, like getting better at their sport.

Elite athletes are often very strong/fast/amazing because of other reasons than training - at least to a substantial degree. That is also the reason why mentioned people might not even be familiar with a weight room. That however does not mean that the same source of action (becoming stronger being secondary to 6 days a week skill training for ones sport) is indicated for you and me to optimize results.

What? Sure, you need good genetics to be an elite athlete, but beyond that, how other than a decade plus of busting their asses in training do you think elite athletes get strong/fast/amazing? I squat because, like you say, I'm a hobbyist. I like to squat full and feel better about myself when I do than when I catch myself "cheating" on reps. And make no mistake, squatting is a fantastic exercise for developing leg strength. Duh. I would probably keep squatting full if I were to throw myself more completely into mastering a particular sport, for those reasons. But I don't for a second think that squatting is some kind of magical exercise that becomes infinitely more valuable when done through a larger range of movement.

Quote from: LBSS on November 19, 2010, 09:41:14 am

Yeah, I guess John Smith is a complete retard coaching-wise. I mean, he can't even teach a full squat! What a worthless coach.

Or maybe the guy who coached Maurice Greene, Ato Boldon, Carmelita Jeter and a bunch of sub-10 guys and a couple of 400m Olympic champs has realized throughout his decades of coaching that YOU DON'T HAVE TO SQUAT TO BE A GREAT ATHLETE. If it's going to distract from the main focus of training, why bother?

No, you don't need to squat, you can be a great athlete if you have good enough parents, too. So why don't we all choose ours instead of becoming stronger, seems like the best idea.

Yeah cause god knows you can't become stronger without ATG squatting. Elite athletes do strength exercises, they ARE STRONG, but many of them don't do full squats. In fact, I wonder how many Olympic athletes do real, honest-to-god full squats in their training, lifters aside. Or how many players within a given pro sport.

Do you think Rajon Rondo full squats when he trains? How about Vince Young? How about Chris Johnson? How about Cristiano Ronaldo? Dwight Howard? Jason Kidd? Andre Agassi, back in the day? How about Lindsay Vonn? I don't know, but I highly doubt it. Why should they invest time, energy and mental focus in steven-miller-approved full squatting? They spend all their time and energy doing important things, like getting better at their sport.