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Olympic Weightlifting / Re: 69kg lifters
« on: November 19, 2010, 10:10:24 am »
The 170kg snatch was my favorite. Good lord those dudes are strong.
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QuoteWeightlifting full squats demand a degree of mobility far beyond that which is required during the execution of most sport acts and certainly far beyond the working range of many athletes who might otherwise enjoy a full sporting career never having been cut short because they do not possess the requisite flexibility to squat like a weightlifter with limit loads.
The majority of non-weightlifters, in fact, would be foolish to risk the possible structural trauma that is presented as part of a cumulative result of squatting maximal loads through the entire amplitude concurrently with varied gradations of sport practice.
Anyone who states the contrary cannot possibly understand the training problems inherent to working with athletes year round whose practice of SPP yields a high structural demand to the legs and knees specifically.
This quote tells me, that Mr. Smith is unable to teach an athlete a full squat. It does not even have to tell me, he basically even said so himself since he believes that most athletes that seek his advice are not flexible enough to do more than a half squat. Can someone please tell me why we should even read beyond that? Or am I misinterpreting things? If so I apologize, since I find that post to be adding very little of substance to the discussion.
Other than this, since I openly admit not to have the experience of coaching anyone let alone athletes whose practice of SPP yields high structural demand to legs and knees, I will ask YOU, bb2020, since you posted this quote, to elaborate on the topic of the risk of structural trauma that presents itself from full squatting + sports, but not with half squatting + sports.
And if the argument runs that the difference is in lifting submaximal loads instead of maximal loads: Who here is planning to do that exclusively? I am sincerely interested since I will follow that training log very mindfully.

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18 November 2010
Very sore glutes , calves and hip flexors , WTF?
Decided to add the final missing link to my training, reduce bodyfat.
- 45 mins treadmill walk , HR between 115 and 120 , distance covered = 4,3km.
- My usual lower body stretch routine.
by bar position, I referred to how you squat.
IE
High bar- olympic squat, knees travel foreward and it mirrors the jumping
Low bar- more sit back involved with very minimal knee travel
I agree, strength is a general stimulus, especially when its for sport. And your right its to strengthen the musclurature not actually be the means to how your VJ goes up, or this forum would all be about powerlifting and squatting 500. But if it is just 1 rep VJ, squatting is almost a special exercise in this regard IMO and is definitely a huge bang for your buck so you want to maximize its potential in this regard.
My main point of that little rant i guess was to say that anyone who thinks that for VJ, low bar deep squat is the golden egg so to speak, they are mistaken as theoretically olympic high bar would have a greater transfer
more thoughts on olympic squats for power squats for VJ..
Power squats do allow you to lift more weight,ala why the stance and bar grip is used or preferred by powerlifting. It puts you in the best position to squat a ton of weight. Doesnt mean it puts you in the best position that corresponds to your particular goal(jumping). Also some argue less stress in certain areas(knees), allowing more long term safety.
olympic squats were in essence used by olympic lifters as a (main)assistance exercise since it isnt an actual olympic lift. The reason this makes sense is the angles of the clean(and jerk) and the correspodance to the high bar squat. Using this logic, IMO the high bar squat would offer more dynamic correspodance to the VJ. But as i stated earlier, it is not a directly corresponding exercise to the VJ, as you can easily be able to jump high or train yourself to jump high without it. Still if your sole goal is one rep VJ, or to a less degree RVJ, there is to strong correlation. Strength is general to sport, and jumping, but exercise selection still need to be based on ur specific goals.
Look, the only thing that puts you in the best position that corresponds to jumping is jumping. Squats are to develop general strength in the legs. Your legs don't give a flying fuck where the bar is sitting on your back. Your own biomechanics and the bar position will place emphasis on different muscles, but if you're worried about it, do other exercises to target the ones you don't feel are getting enough tension when you squat.* Unless you are a power lifter or an olympic lifter, it does not fucking matter one tiny little bit where the bar is in terms of transfer to whatever sport or other activity you do.
*NB: This is a hypothetical you, not talking about you, bball2020, specifically.
FUCK.
more thoughts on olympic squats for power squats for VJ..
Power squats do allow you to lift more weight,ala why the stance and bar grip is used or preferred by powerlifting. It puts you in the best position to squat a ton of weight. Doesnt mean it puts you in the best position that corresponds to your particular goal(jumping). Also some argue less stress in certain areas(knees), allowing more long term safety.
olympic squats were in essence used by olympic lifters as a (main)assistance exercise since it isnt an actual olympic lift. The reason this makes sense is the angles of the clean(and jerk) and the correspodance to the high bar squat. Using this logic, IMO the high bar squat would offer more dynamic correspodance to the VJ. But as i stated earlier, it is not a directly corresponding exercise to the VJ, as you can easily be able to jump high or train yourself to jump high without it. Still if your sole goal is one rep VJ, or to a less degree RVJ, there is to strong correlation. Strength is general to sport, and jumping, but exercise selection still need to be based on ur specific goals.
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