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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: December 09, 2013, 06:48:10 am »
Dec 8-14, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #148 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Sun Dec 8 425x1 | +20. calves starting to feel better slowly.

Mon Dec 9 405x1 | +30. calves are normal now. did not have enough straight sleep. meeting at work. will use 440-455 tmrw. 

Tue Dec 10 440x1 | +10.

making progress again but not as strong as last month. did 56 straight 455s. cant even do 1 for 8 days now. will definitely get the 455 tmrw. didn't do stupid things lately like a high rep calf raise or that standing dumbell press. those fatigued some squat muscles. made me question my form because something did not feel right when i lift anything over 405. have to really stick with dips and chins.

Wed Dec 11 455#149 | +10. no problem with this today. routine lift. will do this again tmrw if i get 7.5hr+ sleep in the morning.

Thur Dec 12 425x1 | +10. 7.5hr sleep. i used to get repeatable 455s coming from a 7.5hr sleep. used to.

Fri Dec 13 405x1 | +10.  this is BS. need more than 7.5hr sleep.

Sat Dec 14 405x1 | +20. sub 7.5 hr sleep. will do better tmrw.

Calf Raise - Leg Press or Seated 45 Deg Sled - Paused
9x45s x20 Sat
4x45s x40 Thur

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Wed Fri
100x20 Sun Sat

Dips - Paused
BWx20 Tue Thur

Seated Shoulder Dumbell Press - Paused did these seated now to rest back.
50x20 Mon Tue Wed Thur Sat
 
* week 2 of 2 - maintain 210-212BW. maintain (or get to. lol) 455x1 top set

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: December 03, 2013, 09:07:07 pm »
no it's not based on jump height, although springy people tend to jump higher. kingfish jumps 40" but looks slow as fuck, he's just very powerful.

no springs (those mostly SSC primed muscles/ligaments and all that) in this jump. just the ever reliable creatine powered muscle contractions of the knees and glutes.

i did 4-6x 38"+ on good days. my 2nd jump is usually as good as the first. makes rebounding fun.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1z7RSzHLSw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1z7RSzHLSw</a>

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: December 03, 2013, 08:57:31 pm »
Hey man, what are your goals right now? Just maintain that squat?

until Q1-2 of next year - BW214-218.  BF15-17%max. daily 455-475s, max 495s.

after that, back to more jumping/leaning out. probably more cardio conditioning in my road bike.


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: December 02, 2013, 03:25:41 am »
Dec 1-7, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #148 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Sun Dec 1 455#147 | +10 still not as strong as i expected coming from full sleep. i am not overshooting to 475 tmrw. recovery is behind.

Mon Dec 2 455#148 | +0 weak sleep ~ 4+2+2hr. did 455 for 8 weeks straight weeks ago. barely survive 2nd day.

Tue Dec 3 440x1 | +10 got good sleep but not enough consecutive sleeps to bounce back from this fatigue.

Wed Dec 4 425x1 | +15 good sleep. too lazy to eat in the morning and just continued sleeping. paid for it in the afternoon. lifted after almost a 20hr+ fast.
 
Thur Dec 5 425x1 | +10 weak sleep. ~5+2hr. too cold this past few days.

Fri Dec 6 405x1 | +10. the 40-rep calf raises from tue gave me so much DOMS. it got worst after 2-3 days. i can squat good with sore calves. this is different. my calves are so DOMd, plantar flexing makes me cramps.
 
Sat Dec 7 405x1 | +20. calves still broken

Calf Raise - Leg Press or Seated 45 Deg Sled - Paused
9x45s x20 Wed
4x45s x40 Tue

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Mon Wed Fri
100x20 Sun

Dips - Paused
BWx20 Tue Thur Sat

Standing Shoulder Dumbell Press - Paused
45x20 Sun

* week 1 of 1 - maintain 210-212BW. maintain 455x1 top set

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 26, 2013, 12:06:39 am »
Nov 24-30, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #144 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Sun Nov 24 455#143 | +10

Mon Nov 25 455#144 | +10

Tue Nov 26 440 | +10 did not get enough sleep. sucks for a no-work day.  at least i'm really good now choosing my top weight based on the 405 speed.

Wed Nov 27 455#145 | +10
 
Thur Nov 28 405 | +40 not enough sleep. had to workout before 2pm because of gym holiday hours.

Fri Nov 29 455#146 | +10
 
Sat Nov 30 405 | + 20 tired from work. legs needed another set of 3-4hr sleep to recover. didn't feel like sleeping the whole day. squat with ~ 8hr sleep.

Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
9x45s x20 Thur Sat

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Mon Wed Fri

Dips - Paused
BWx20 Tue

Standing Shoulder Dumbell Press - Paused
45x20 Sun Mon Tue Sat

* will put a weekly entry and just modify as i go along. makes it easier to track my progress.

* still not strong enough to go 475. i messed up a little last week by doing more low intensity jumping while im resting my top set. its been a long time since i felt a heavy 405. at sub 7.5hr sleep, it feels like my quads are still "shattered". happened last week thursday. would have gotten a 425 but did not feel like tiring myself too much.

** week 2 of 2. 455x7 weekly routine. rest. maintain 210-212BW.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 24, 2013, 02:18:38 am »
Nov 17-23, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #142 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Sun Nov 17 455x1 | +10

Mon Nov 18 455x1 | +10

Tue Nov 19 440x1 | +10 had to cut down on jumping reps. accumulated more fatigue than i can recover from.

Wed Nov 20 455x1 | +10

Thur Nov 21 455x1 | +10

Fri Nov 22  | < 7.5hr sleep. top set skipped

Sat Nov 23 455x1 | +10

Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
9x45 x20 Nov 23

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Nov 17,20,22

Dips - Paused
BWx20-30 Nov 17,19,21

Standing Shoulder Dumbell Press - Paused
45 x10 x10 Daily

** week 1 of 2. 455x7 weekly routine. rest. maintain 210-212BW.

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My legs were usually shot after squats so there was no way I could do max jumping, and even regular jumping.

My first two months training for vert, 5 years or so ago resulted in a 7.5-8inch increase in vert in 8 weeks with no jump training with minimal jumping but my running vert stayed the same because my movement efficiency back then was horrible. For SVJ i don't know if it's necessary to practice it that often, however f/v time curves of RVJ is completely different and requires more than muscle strength than SVJ in proportion to tendon elasticity and stiffness.

Have you measured your RVJ? 

Yes ian that's what I mean, in short. It's difficult in my experience to train tendon stiffness with muscle strength for whatever reason but yea be consistent with jumps + squats and see where you can go.

squat with less intensity. leave yourself enough gas for the jumping drills.

most vert trainees really screw things up by wanting so much so soon.


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 18, 2013, 02:57:01 am »
are you still planning on training for the 60m? have you ever timed a 40yd dash? would be curious to see how your beastly legs perform!

no formal sprint training yet. just some hill sprints for conditioning.

Do you ever practice RVJ or have a video of you performing one? Your SVJ seems extremely similar to your squat form, so I was wondering if your RVJ looked like your squat form too.

all SVJ when it comes to jumping. RVJs eventually gets you broken.

here's a 3-step vert:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9C7eiLlVX0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9C7eiLlVX0</a>

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Shorter stockier legs, shorter toes, indicates strength dominance, less tendon elasticity in general... so ST might be a better route (maybe). Longer legs, longer toes may indicate greater tendon elasticity and plyos may benefit you more, or rather, you may respond to plyos better. There are plenty of athletes that only do plyos and become high fliers and can't squat shit. But that doesn't work for us for the most part. Similarly, getting "stronger," and I put that in quotes because muscle strength gained in a squat doesn't transfer over to a running vertical jump for everyone the same way so the "strength" being applied during the jump is questionable, doesn't work for everyone either. You hear a few success stories here and there (Kingfush on this forum but i haven't seen his running vert not sure if it exists or his sprint times but if you want to squat to improve your vert, take at least 2 years and devote yourself to weightlifting. Many here take that route, and I haven't seen a single success story yet except for kingfish. As a newbie on this forum, I want you to synthesize your own ideas, like I did, instead of being sucked into the dominant paradigm.

Getting stronger over the past two years (not being able to squat 225 to being able to double 315lbs for two sets) made me slower, and decreased my running vertical jump. But I didn't sprint or jump at the same time. Currently, i am improving my lunge strength (right now doing 190lbs with each leg with dumbells) while doing plyos so we'll see how that goes.

My best vert has been obtained before I could squat 225 comfortably for reps, and afterwards. So clearly something is going on other than muscle size that helps produce "power."

the only thing i did non-conventional is to do my SVJ drills after my squat routine.

you strength trained without doing the skill work of jumping, then expect the jump to improve..  :uhhhfacepalm:

i do many reps of jump drills in a workout to improve my SVJ and those are done after i turned my muscles on with near-max full squat reps.

i could have a 20-40 total squat reps in the 6-8reps for my volume workouts but still have enough gas in the tank to do 100s+ reps of jump drills doing jump ropes, hurdles, jump squats, 2-hand SVJ dunks..

I didn't jump because I couldn't, I didn't feel like it because the motor pattern took over, as it does for most people here who get into lifting heavy. People become preoccupied with it and for get their original goals, to DUNK, and be an explosive beast, not a fat piece of steroid injected shit who deadlifts 1000 lbs... yet that's what you guys like to post in the beast thread, un-athletic fat powerlifters and olympic lifters, nothing to do with athleticism whatsoever.

not going to happen if you do more jump reps. get a jump rope and rep away.


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 16, 2013, 11:43:59 pm »
Nov 13-16, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #137 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Nov 13 455x1 | +10

Nov 14 455x1 | +10

Nov 15 455x1 | +5

Nov 16 455x1 | +5

Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
9x45 x20 Nov 16

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Nov 13,15

Dips - Paused
BWx20-30 Nov 14,16

Standing Shoulder Dumbell Press - Paused
45 x10 x10 Daily

* adding more SVJ drills - BW / 2x25lb x8s.

** week 1 of 2. 455x7 weekly routine. rest. maintain 210-212BW.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 13, 2013, 12:17:54 am »
Nov 11-12, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #133 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Nov 10
425x1 | +40  :uhhhfacepalm:

Nov 11
455x1 Day  | +10


Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
9x45 x20 Nov 12

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Nov 11

Dips - Paused
skip

Standing Shoulder Dumbell Press - Paused
45x20 Nov 11-12

* 8-week (56 day) straight 455lb and over top set ended Nov 11. my form felt unstable at the hole with the 405 warmup. 405 concentric was still routinely explosive and fast. did not bother using 455 and break something. my hamstrings are a little sore from the weekend deep-tissue massage.

* decided to just go 425. should have used 455. i powered that 425 easily but would fatigue me if i do another heavy single. hamstrings soreness just made the stability approaching the hole somewhat weak and jello. quads blasted the concentric without any problem.

** week 1 of 2. 455x7 weekly routine. rest. maintain 210-212BW.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 11, 2013, 01:35:21 am »
Nov 9-10, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #132 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Nov 9
455 x1 Day 55 | +10

Nov 10
455 x1 Day 56 | +10


Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
skip

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
skip

Dips - Paused
BWx20 Nov 9

* went for a 2-day trip to  calistoga CA for some mud bath/full massage.  might be a little beat from the full body sport massage but was still able to get a 3-hour afternoon preworkout nap.

** week 3 of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 08, 2013, 08:47:26 pm »
Nov 7-8, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #130 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Nov 7
455 x1 Day 53 | +10

Nov 8
455 x1 Day 54 | +5


Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
skip

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
BWx20 Nov 8

Dips - Paused
BWx30 Nov 7

* change sleep pattern on a friday because of a weekend vacation plan. was supposed to be at least +10lb strong over the 455 but i was off from being awake on a friday early afternoon. my usual work night sleep is 8:30-4:30pm.. i was already up at 1:30pm today. still got my 7.5hr+.

** week 3 of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 07, 2013, 12:13:22 am »
Nov 5-6, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #128 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Nov 5
455 x1 Day 51 | +5lb

Nov 6
455 x1 Day 52 | +10lb


Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
9x45s x20 Nov 5

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
100 x20 Nov 5

Dips - Paused
Skip

* +xx lb = effort level. the bigger the number, the more power i have over that weight. 0 = some kind of form breakdown but still got the weight up. +5 = heaviest i can lift without a noticeable sticking point crawl.

** week 3 of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Kingfush
« on: November 05, 2013, 12:52:52 am »
Nov 4, 2013

Full Squats - Paused - Maintenance
455 #126 | 465 #4 | 470 #1| 475 #6
315 x1
365 x1
405 x1

Nov 4
475 x1 Day 50 | 475 max

Calf Raise - Leg Press - Paused
Skip

Cable Rows or Chins - Paused
Skip

Dips - Paused
BW x20

* heaviest 475x1 i've done. last week was tough. only 3 of 7 days were non-maxd. 2x +10lbs and 1x + 5lbs. im not burned out to the point of skipping the 475. i don't have back to back max days with the 455. yet. 

** week 3 of 475x1, 455x6 weekly routine. on repeat until i start to feel more recovered.

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