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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: October 17, 2019, 06:24:41 am »
16 October  2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : still abductors. or is it hamstrings from uphill sprints?I don't know
Injuries/aches : none
Dew point : 16'C ( 19'C / 80%RH )

-Slow jog with some strides : 1.5KM @ 12' ( ~8'/km )
-TIME TRIAL 1500M : 7'1'' , destroys previous lifetime PR which was 8 minutes flat  :personal-record: :personal-record: :personal-record: :ibrunning: :wowthatwasnutswtf:
-Walk 500m
C1a: 200m uphill sprint @ 80%
C1b: walk back
-C1 info : 3 rounds
-Walk the remaining distance to make it 5K

TOTAL : 5km @ 37'

Cancelled 5K time trial as adviced by adarqui. Decided to do a 1500m one since it doesn't last long, i wanted some intensity. Then some buffered short sprints.
Last time i time-trialed 1500m was about 3.5 years ago, long before the 5K stuff. I was more into < 200m HIIT back then. Still i was chasing 1500m every now and then and couldn't get under 8 minutes, now almost broke 7. Crazy. Also, until 2 days ago my lone 1km PR was 4'42'' now i did 1500m at an average pace of 4'40''. Dew point was 16' too, pretty bad for hard running.
Ok, enough with the intensity, time to recover/taper. Today is a long very slow run and then 48 hours rest till the race.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Party's Over!
« on: October 17, 2019, 06:08:51 am »


On a serious note, there's no difference in taste, it should be a great alternative to fool a few cravings.


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: October 16, 2019, 09:43:35 am »
Ya its as all out as it gets, actually more demanding than the race itself due to bad light, multi surfaces and 100% of the course being inclined, its going up or down, low incline but incline, no part of it is straight.
Glad you replied fast, i gotta go run in 3-4 hours from now, that was crucial!
So what should i do? some kind of tempo/fartlek again, keeping max intensity limited to smaller distances/duration? Maybe repeat yesterday's workout?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: October 16, 2019, 06:48:05 am »
15 October  2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : abductors a lot, quads ( VMOs ) glutes and calves less
Injuries/aches : none
Dew point : 15'C ( 21'C / 70%RH )

-RUN TEMPO 3KM
Target was 6'30'' / 5'30'' / anything sub 5', ideally close to 1km PR ( 4'42'' )
I got           6'26'' / 5'56'' / 4'40''  all time 1km :personal-record: :personal-record: :personal-record: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :ibrunning:
-Walk 500m
C1a: 300m uphill sprint @ 100%
C1b: walk back 300m
-C1 info : 4 rounds

TOTAL : 6km @ 42'22''

Awesome session. Broke my 1km PR. Previous was was in a fartlek too, it was achieved after a slow 500m, this was right after 2 fast km. Very happy.
Sptints felt awesome too. Felt very fast and fit and light on my feet. Max pace at them was 4'11'' which is awesome.

Today is 5K training course PR attempt. Should I ? Race is Saturday night, i think tomorrows planned slow long run and then ~48hrs off till the race are enough to recover./taper Any objections?

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Im fine with the shoes lol. Actually, being an old fart that needs all the tech-boost possible, i love this 'forced' technology advancement with shoes, because sooner or later it will be out in normal price, just as it happens with F1 advancements ending up in normal production cars.. Im fine with hydration too. Actually i am fine with everything. What i am not fine with is that this 'perfect' condition thing might take away some shine from the 'real' sports, because it will always be ahead in performance from the 'normal conditions' event. There was no competition at this one but next time there will be. Then who knows what we will see, maybe a 100m with the best athletes in the world, in a perfect conditions and oxygen enhanced atmosphere chamber? Then the Olympics 100m will be the second best 100m, simply because the other one they will be running faster. Which is actually fair tbh.
As for haters, screw them, can't win with them, i actually feel sorrow for someone that the best he can come up with is 'man he had pacers'. Its pointless to even argue, logic has long left the building lol

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Bleh, I already feel i continued this much longer than i should have.
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I felt there was a lot of 'passion' against all i said. I repeatedly said im trying to open a philosophical discussion about it. Yet i didn't see not even one slight agreement to any of my concerns. And yes, the type of counter-arguments look like convince-like, re-read them. Im sure im biased a bit and its not as much as i say ( or as much as it sounds im saying ), but it is.

How can you all be so sure, so soon. e.g. adarq you have one separate reply post to debunk the 'mask marathon' argument, yet you named this topic 'attempting a sub2 marathon'. I mean come on!

not seeing what you mean there?

pc!

What i mean was:
A) how can you be so sure INEOS is not what im saying it could  be? the event happened yesterday. how can you be sure it wont lead to a new type of sports? the lab-style im saying. i don't know that it will, i am not claiming it will, i know i wouldn't want it to happen and i know that INEOS is somewhat leaning to the other side. But how do you know it won't happen? Because your replies ( not yours yours andrew, im speaking to all ) don't seem to have the slightest concern.
B) the second point, is that in one of the 5 consecutive replies ( which might have also helped me misinterpret, you feel your opinion 'attacked' when you see 5 consecutive replies from 1 person ), you talked about how this attempt won't mask the marathon like i said im concerned. yet , even though this was clearly not a marathon but a 'rock-climb-like attempt' and 'will never mask the marathon', you named the topic 'Eliud Kipchoge will make another attempt at a sub2 marathon'. I mean , again, come on!




EDIT:
re-read it.

i feel like a drama queen. everyone said 'idk' and argued in pretty low profile. we just disagree and you dont share my concerns. so what?
only you adarq showed a little more 'passion' but then again its still perfectly polite and unbiased, especially considering your love for long running and the athlete himself.

apologies, lets close it here.
pc


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: October 15, 2019, 06:56:41 am »
^Thanks man! Yes, that is part of the final week prep too. I don't drink during the week anyway, smoking is also limited. For this specific week i am pushing both even more.

14 October 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~85kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

PAUSED ATG SQUAT:
10@10kg
10@30kg
10@40kg
10@50kg ( +10 kg )
8@55kg ( +10 kg ) , ( -2 reps )
10@40kg ( extra set )
15@30kg ( extra set )
-Best/strongest/highest volume squat workout at this gym.

STATIONARY BIKE : 8km @ 15 minutes

SEATED HORIZONTAL CHEST PRESS MACHINE:

WIDE GRIP LAT PULL DOWN:

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I'm a bit surprised by all you guys. I was just giving a possibility of a different perspective. I was wondering if this has a double meaning. If it is a start of something different. If there is any 'lab-style' vs 'free' sports case and if that is a good thing or not. And i repeatedly stated that i myself am not sure at all that there is, just thinking about it. Also that i am in awe of the achievement nevertheless. Your replies make me feel that i said i was passionately against the INEOS and you are trying to convince me about the opposite. How can you all be so sure, so soon. e.g. adarq you have one separate reply post to debunk the 'mask marathon' argument, yet you named this topic 'attempting a sub2 marathon'. I mean come on!
Anyway, maybe i am failing to express my skepticism well enough, or maybe i am misinterpreting your replies. Lets agree to disagree.

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The WR checking was about the 100m race example only.
Once again, don't get me wrong, i am not even sure i am convinced by my argument. But something is bothering me. I think what bothers me is that although this has nothing to do with the marathon, it masks the marathon. No marathon win will ever be the same , because no marathon win will be below 2 hours. Whatever happens, even if we see an epic marathon where the winner wins the runner up passing him at the last 100m and at an inhuman time of 2:00:01... "meh, Kipchoge would have owned that bitch", "bro, can you even run sub-2h?".
Maybe not for you and me and some other people, but for the vast majority i see that as a threat.
Anyway, good food from thought from your POVs too. Hope you are right and my skepticism is wrong.

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Idk, if you had two kipchoge's in the same race going at it what would happen? And concerning 'lab conditions' how many people are capable of going sub 2hr in ideal conditions? Do they even exist or is Kipchoge in a class of his own? Do people have treadmill times better than him?

This question helps me very much to demonstrate my argument.
The answer is nobody. Nobody can do this. Not even himself. That is the problem.

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Agree to all of the above.
The slippery slope is : how will you ever enjoy the sports marathons when you know they are an inferior... how to call it... 'venue'?
It will still be , say, Mo Farah today, running alone far ahead from the 2nd probably, finishing at 2'08'' or something. You will be watching the exact same thing with Kipchoge, a guy running alone trying to bet his best, but knowing his best can never come close to the 'lab' one,
Imagine the same thing spreading. A perfect conditions 9:3x 100m. Who will sit to watch 10'' races again after that. Competition is great and all, but the real adrenaline spike is when you check the clock to see if they WRed. Where are we going if this is taken away from us?
Not saying it is happening, but yes , worried that this might have been the start of it.
Also all those thoughts don't subtract even the slightest percentage of my owe and admiration of Kipchoge's accomplishment, which goes far beyond a timed running section.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: October 14, 2019, 08:33:29 am »
11 October 2019

Bodyweight@session : ~84,5kg
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

RDL:
8@20kg ( +10 kg )
8@40kg ( -10 kg )
8@60kg
8@70kg
8@80kg ( +5 kg )
-Great.

DIPS:
9@BW ( +1 rep )
8@BW
8@BW
8@BW
8@BW
-Those felt more deep/strong/solid.

SEATED CABLE ROW:
10@47kg ( +6 kg )
10@47kg
10@53kg ( +6 kg )
10@53kg
10@59kg ( +6 kg )
-Wow, very strong.



12 October  2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : glutes
Injuries/aches : none
Dew point : 17'C (21'C / 80%RH ) , booooooo

RUN 5KM @ 28'18'' , second fastest everat this course , so also season  :personal-record:
JOG 1KM @ 7'16''

TOTAL: 6KM @ 35'34'' ,  :personal-record: , first time ever below 36' for 6K.

Now that was one crazy session. It started as a sub-28' time trial attempt. Dew point was horrible though, and 7 hours earlier my system has been...'enhanced' with quite a big amount of alcohol and smoke. Decided to give up at 3KM ( was en route to 27'30'' at that point but dead ). Stopped running, walked about 200m with the intention to catch some breath, do some uphill intervals and call it a day. Then decided to suck it up and continue, to train the mental struggle to finish the damn 5K as fast as you can no matter what. So i resumed and i ended up with my second best time ever at that course i train, under bad conditions and with no warmup. Happy. Also happy about the sub-36 6K.

Sunday was off.

Plan for this week:
Monday : squats , maybe some stationary bike too.
Tuesday : intervals and/or fartlek
Wednesday : warmed up 5K course PR attempt
Thursday : long very slow run
Friday : rest
Saturday : race

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Read a very interesting article that was expressing some skepticism about this. Not criticism, skepticism, some concerns and philosophical issues that come up.
I mean, noone will disagree how much greatness this accomplishment has. But what was that exactly? Will athletes be choosing the perfect conditions in a perfect time and place, in a perfect period of their training, in their own selected personal course, under the sponsorship of a billionaire? Couldn't that lead to the death of sports as we know them, to the rise of some kind of laboratory-experiment style features? This is not about Kipchoge, but to where is this leading.
On the other hand, it's not that we are so far from it as we are right now. It is the same thing happening already probably, just sweetly/wisely camouflaged.
Thoughts?

Regardless:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/eliud-kipchoge-marathon-2019-ineos-159-challenge-nike-splits-numbers-statistics-a9153111.html

Quote
His average time per 100m was 17.02 seconds, 200m at 34.03, 400m at 01:08.06, 800m at 02:16.13 and 1,500m at 04:15.3. His 100m pace was replicated 422 times.

*remains speechless

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: October 11, 2019, 11:02:19 am »
10 October 2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : some glutes
Injuries/aches : none

1½ hours full court basketball.
Much improved fitness suddenly. Was a nice surprise. Gassed out at about 20 minutes of play though. After that i had to skip as many plays as i played hard.
No rim jumps. Vert is bad generally. Mediocre. And most of my game was always based on jumping well above average. Most of the joy too , e.g. seeing the fear of being blocked in their eyes.
Im keeping an eye open to see how my body adapts to bball and if i get any hops back, its been 10 months off and now just 4 times i played. It may come back
If it doesn't, im not really sure there is a reason to keep playing, sad but true. Oh well, we'll see, no rush , just noting it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: October 10, 2019, 05:28:15 am »
9 October  2019

Bodyweight@session : ???
Soreness : VMOs , glutes, lats, some chest, also shoulders, abs and calves (?!?!?)
Injuries/aches : none
Dew point : 13'C (17'C / 76%RH )

RUN 5K @ 30'8''
JOG 1K @ 8'11''

5K wasn't a time trial but it was pretty close, i'd say i was holding back 5 to 10%. Legs were still sore from Monday's squat, after 3km the uphill sections caused real burn at my VMOs
Weather is now finaly cool, always below 20 at night that i run, but yesterday humidity was at 75%, man that sucks, got tons of sweat.

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