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Weightlifting full squats demand a degree of mobility far beyond that which is required during the execution of most sport acts and certainly far beyond the working range of many athletes who might otherwise enjoy a full sporting career never having been cut short because they do not possess the requisite flexibility to squat like a weightlifter with limit loads.

The majority of non-weightlifters, in fact, would be foolish to risk the possible structural trauma that is presented as part of a cumulative result of squatting maximal loads through the entire amplitude concurrently with varied gradations of sport practice.

Anyone who states the contrary cannot possibly understand the training problems inherent to working with athletes year round whose practice of SPP yields a high structural demand to the legs and knees specifically.

This quote tells me, that Mr. Smith is unable to teach an athlete a full squat. It does not even have to tell me, he basically even said so himself since he believes that most athletes that seek his advice are not flexible enough to do more than a half squat. Can someone please tell me why we should even read beyond that? Or am I misinterpreting things? If so I apologize, since I find that post to be adding very little of substance to the discussion.

Other than this, since I openly admit not to have the experience of coaching anyone let alone athletes whose practice of SPP yields high structural demand to legs and knees, I will ask YOU, bb2020, since you posted this quote, to elaborate on the topic of the risk of structural trauma that presents itself from full squatting + sports, but not with half squatting + sports.

And if the argument runs that the difference is in lifting submaximal loads instead of maximal loads: Who here is planning to do that exclusively? I am sincerely interested since I will follow that training log very mindfully.

Yeah, I guess John Smith is a complete retard coaching-wise. I mean, he can't even teach a full squat! What a worthless coach.

Or maybe the guy who coached Maurice Greene, Ato Boldon, Carmelita Jeter and a bunch of sub-10 guys and a couple of 400m Olympic champs has realized throughout his decades of coaching that YOU DON'T HAVE TO SQUAT TO BE A GREAT ATHLETE. If it's going to distract from the main focus of training, why bother?

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I think somebody was taking pictures, but past a certain point I was too full and too drunk to notice. So much food. Our kitchen is a complete disaster right now. Great success. ;D

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neutral focus
SH:SP:SR:SH:SP:SR:SH:SP:SR:SH:SP:SR:

power focus
SH:SP:SP:SR:SR:SH:SP:SP:SR:SR:

speed/reactivity focus
SP:SR:SR:SR:STIM:TEST

Thought I was gonna get the court today but some random JV basketball team was practicing.  :pissed:

warm up
foam roll
stretches
jump rope x a bit

work
depth drops 2x5x18"
tucks 3x20
pogos 2x5

Having a big pre-Thanksgiving dinner with a bunch of my friends tonight, so had to hustle out after that to get ready and shit. Makin' some green beans with mint and jalapenos...mmmm.........

EDIT: Just realized this is the end of phase 2. Still don't really think I'm gonna see a big gain at the end of this, but not much longer before I find out.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: November 18, 2010, 02:58:05 pm »
Are all these protein shakes healthy? I mean, they're man made, a powder "thingy"... processed basically... you can't grow or shoot protein shakes

Yeah but you think protein powder comes from...where, exactly? Cows. Or soybeans or egg whites, if you're into that kind of thing. You can shoot cows, eggs come out of chickens, which you can shoot, and you can grow soybeans, so what's the problem? Protein powder is not man-made anymore than yogurt or butter or corn meal are man-made. And, that being said, who cares if it is? Paleo is complete BS.

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18 November 2010

Very sore glutes , calves and hip flexors , WTF?

Decided to add the final missing link to my training, reduce bodyfat.


- 45 mins treadmill walk , HR between 115 and 120 , distance covered = 4,3km.
-  My usual lower body stretch routine.

Please see my signature for further information.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: EPIC football FAIL video
« on: November 18, 2010, 01:40:11 pm »
Como te queres matar, idiota.

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Also have noticed that my hamstrings are not as flexible as they used to be. The core stretches from STW feel great and I've been doing calves, pecs and delts consistently, but I have to remember to do hamstrings and upper back.

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warm up
shoot around -- okay

work
jump rope 20/40x16

cool down
stretch

nice and easy

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by bar position, I referred to how you squat.

IE
High bar- olympic squat, knees travel foreward and it mirrors the jumping

Low bar- more sit back involved with very minimal knee travel


I agree, strength is a general stimulus, especially when its for sport. And your right its to strengthen the musclurature not actually be the means to how your VJ goes up, or this forum would all be about powerlifting and squatting 500. But if it is just 1 rep VJ, squatting is almost a special exercise in this regard IMO and is definitely a huge bang for your buck so you want to maximize its potential in this regard.

My main point of that little rant i guess was to say that anyone who thinks that for VJ, low bar deep squat is the golden egg so to speak, they are mistaken as theoretically olympic high bar would have a greater transfer

And my point is that it doesn't matter at all whether it's low or high.

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more thoughts on olympic squats for power squats for VJ..

Power squats do allow you to lift more weight,ala why the stance and bar grip is used or preferred by powerlifting. It puts you in the best position to squat a ton of weight. Doesnt mean it puts you in the best position that corresponds to your particular goal(jumping). Also some argue less stress in certain areas(knees), allowing more long term safety.

olympic squats were in essence used by olympic lifters as a (main)assistance exercise since it isnt an actual olympic lift.  The reason this makes sense is the angles of the clean(and jerk) and the correspodance to the high bar squat. Using this logic, IMO the high bar squat would offer more dynamic correspodance to the VJ.  But as i stated earlier, it is not a directly corresponding exercise to the VJ, as you can easily be able to jump high or train yourself to jump high without it. Still if your sole goal is one rep VJ, or to a less degree RVJ, there is to strong correlation.  Strength is general to sport, and jumping, but exercise selection still need to be based on ur specific goals.

Look, the only thing that puts you in the best position that corresponds to jumping is jumping. Squats are to develop general strength in the legs. Your legs don't give a flying fuck where the bar is sitting on your back. Your own biomechanics and the bar position will place emphasis on different muscles, but if you're worried about it, do other exercises to target the ones you don't feel are getting enough tension when you squat.* Unless you are a power lifter or an olympic lifter, it does not fucking matter one tiny little bit where the bar is in terms of transfer to whatever sport or other activity you do.

*NB: This is a hypothetical you, not talking about you, bball2020, specifically.

FUCK.


if you ain't fuckin', you ain't tryin'

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: November 17, 2010, 07:17:56 pm »
damn.

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more thoughts on olympic squats for power squats for VJ..

Power squats do allow you to lift more weight,ala why the stance and bar grip is used or preferred by powerlifting. It puts you in the best position to squat a ton of weight. Doesnt mean it puts you in the best position that corresponds to your particular goal(jumping). Also some argue less stress in certain areas(knees), allowing more long term safety.

olympic squats were in essence used by olympic lifters as a (main)assistance exercise since it isnt an actual olympic lift.  The reason this makes sense is the angles of the clean(and jerk) and the correspodance to the high bar squat. Using this logic, IMO the high bar squat would offer more dynamic correspodance to the VJ.  But as i stated earlier, it is not a directly corresponding exercise to the VJ, as you can easily be able to jump high or train yourself to jump high without it. Still if your sole goal is one rep VJ, or to a less degree RVJ, there is to strong correlation.  Strength is general to sport, and jumping, but exercise selection still need to be based on ur specific goals.

Look, the only thing that puts you in the best position that corresponds to jumping is jumping. Squats are to develop general strength in the legs. Your legs don't give a flying fuck where the bar is sitting on your back. Your own biomechanics and the bar position will place emphasis on different muscles, but if you're worried about it, do other exercises to target the ones you don't feel are getting enough tension when you squat.* Unless you are a power lifter or an olympic lifter, it does not fucking matter one tiny little bit where the bar is in terms of transfer to whatever sport or other activity you do.

*NB: This is a hypothetical you, not talking about you, bball2020, specifically.

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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: junk food diet that works
« on: November 17, 2010, 03:16:43 pm »
Yeah darq but YOU said "majority."

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: November 17, 2010, 01:01:03 pm »
Get some cornrows

That would complete the look, wouldn't it? Good point.

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God damn cowed, that's some hardcore Steve Nash shit right there.

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