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lol I landed like that and jumped forward because it was just a bad landing lol!

And sorry raptor in the future I'll do that

But in the video where I performed the original avishekdrop it was from the same height, in fact in this video it's even higher.

I always wondered what avishek drops were, now i know. can't wait to see the kettle bell jumps.

I see you have a long ammortization phase, how does that help? you practically absorb all the force and then jump.

Lol...avishekdrops are actually a joke but they can and will improve explosiveness. ANd avishekdrops are actually just depth drops form a high height but in this video I added the depth jump to it too. so it's an avishekdropjump i guess.

Well... it's like doing jump squats with a long amortization phase, there is just more force to absorb and jump up with. So it takes longer. In a mini depth jump there is less force, and so less time is needed, and this can make you faster.

They are bumping up their full squat from 250 to 350 lbs while their 1/2 squat started at 400 lbs.  In this case they still have surplus strength at joint angles used by most for jumping/sprinting.  But get a less athletic guy whose full squat and half squat are both in the ballpark 250 to bump his full squat to 350 lbs and you will see all kinds of new-found athleticism.

great explanation. interesting.

No. I may make a video soon. Also your assumptions about the KB having a mind of its own are unfounded.

There are safe ways to perform this exercise. Now I didn't recommend it for everyone, but I said its better than the exercise Joel smith is doing.

The key is to flex the knees and hips immediately upon landing instead of locking the joints this way te muscles start absorbing the forces immediately and it is safe

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Quote from: AlexV on July 23, 2013, 08:25:01 pm

The clean pull on to toes looked like a nightmare.  Cant imagine a group of guys doing that one well.  Also why do we have to always include an olympic lift variant in any discussion about training an athlete.

I thought that as well to be honest.

I think the exercise is supposed to do good but with a barbell won't get the best results. I think a heavy kettlebell can accomplish much more for the same movement.

But he said that he thought of this exercise watching Gerald Greene dunking, and noticing his feet pointing nearly vertically at the ground right before toe-off. He said he wanted to train that. Now those are good intentions but this exercise won't do the same thing. Coupling ankle extension with hip extension to lift a weight vertically makes no sense imo and is not similar to Gerald Greene's jump where he couples much more knee extension with his plantar flexion (and hip extension too).

It would make more sense to me if the forces were being delivered horizontally. But in that case he would have to be jumping forward or throwing the bar forward which also won't work that well.

Imo a much much better exercise for someone trying to work on toe off and hip explosiveness(apart from depth jumps, signle legged plyos, sprinting, and everything else that does that) are kettlebell broad jumps. It's much more specific and the toe off happens after the hips pass over the feet making it more like sprinting and the long jump. But that should only be performed by avishek-certified trainees because it is "dangerous."

last night's dream. I still remember it pretty well so I might as well write it..

I'm visiting a grad school i'm interested in (I actually just booked tickets to do this next month so makes sense why this is happening in a dream). All I remember now is that it's night time, and I'm really really lost. I forget what street the apartment i'm staying in is on and I'm walking around aimlessly.

No one is around. I take my shoes off and start walking barefoot for some reason.

All of a sudden, a car pulls up next to me asking me if i'm lost. I say yes. They apparently know who I am, and I recognize them. They were two brunettes, unrelated to each other, both pretty hot and that I used to have crushes on. They drive me back to my apartment. I remember clearly the number of the apartment, 425.

I found it odd that I remembered the exact number, it's not something that happens usually in dreams. They dropped me off and then the dream ended. It was pleasant, sort of.

115lb chinup 

School's back. I'm excited and looking forward to it, to all the people, the busyness, the environment, and the nostalgia that autumn brings with it's cool cuddly evenings. It's early in the morning, before sunrise, so around 5AM I believe, and I'm headed to Baltimore (I'm pretty sure.. I took the train I took a few days ago so I think that's why I went there in my dream because it was familiar and recent). I'm not actually in school I don't think . . . I'm just visiting and having fun. I get off the train and the sky is still a dark blue. I have some time to spare so I head to a book store to sit down and read before grabbing some breakfast.

I walk into the bookstore and it gets kind of blurry after that, but all of a sudden i'm in the cafeteria and there is SO MUCH FOOD. Like warm starchy carbs, pancakes, waffles, everything. I'm pretty hungry. I run into a friend of mine from high school in line, i'm like "hey!!!" Then in front of me is another friend from high school, one who I have not seen in 5+ years. We get our food, the three of us and sit down at a table. All of a sudden . . . three people from my elementary school are at the same table!! I'm having a such a great time.

I wake up and my stomach is grumbling.

Very pleasant dream.