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Quote from: adarqui on June 15, 2017, 10:57:25 pm

Quote from: Coges on June 15, 2017, 10:25:20 pm

@adarq man solid points. I pretty much agree with you for the most part. The thing that's getting me is everyone giving Conor no chance. It makes me devil's advocate by proxy.

It's just so hard to play devil's advocate in this case tho.. hah.

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I'm just so interested to see how he comes out for the fight. He can't stand with the open MMA stance he has. But he's an awkward, unique mover so for me it's interesting. I will definitely be watching.

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@fastdoeslie hahahahahahahaha Yeah you go and have a boxing match with McGregor. I would buy that PPV.

I'd actually pay for that as well.. lmao.

It's fun to watch people step into the ring for the first time, in a real sparring match.. No matter how tough they look/seem, it never goes well if they are going in there with someone who has some experience. hah.

First time I did kickboxing I was 18 and they put me in the ring with a 15 year old who'd been training since he was a child. I was bigger, stronger, probably faster too but got my bell rung twice in the first few minutes. That really wakes you up.

hah ya. nice lmao.

i imagine everyone remembers that first "bell rung" experience.. it's hard to forget. It's literally out of one of those war movies where an explosion goes off, and you hear that high pitch ringing, and time slows down, and you're just getting wrecked & can't respond properly.. lmao.

time slowing down + feeling like you're moving in slow motion + high pitch ringing + someone trying to kill you = bad combo.

^ isee. what about the lower body explosiveness an oly lifter/olysprinter can carry over to his punch? and his ability to move his legs and squat to dodge punch should be effortless and feel like he's floating cause his legs r so strong.... that's gotta be some kind of advantage compared to a boxer that has flamingo legs, or am i just clueless?

ur being clueless

it's mostly about technique, timing, and speed.

It's like trying to get an olympic lifter, bodybuilder, or powerlifter to try and hit a fast tennis serve. Some lanky stringbean dude with good technique is going to destroy them by hitting it 140 mph, whilst the strength people will struggle to hit it 70 mph. It's very similar with punching.

Most boxer's aren't built like bulls - ie Mike Tyson.. He was a tank. He's probably similar to this prototype you're thinking about, but beyond the strength & mass, he had incredible speed & amazing timing. Most boxer's aren't built like that. Just like most tennis players aren't built like Nadal - who is the Tyson of tennis.

It's funny though I mean, you're talking about oly lifter/oly sprinter's trying to transfer that ability to a punch - which is perfected via millions of punches with proper technique.. and those oly lifters/sprinters have "perfected" technique themselves. So in the same way some strong af dude can't just transition that to impressive oly lifts, it's even harder to take that ability and apply it to something "unweighted" like a tennis serve, punch, baseball pitch, basketball shot, etc.

technique > *

And regarding basketball, look at Steph Curry.. Most range we've seen in a shooter for quite some time in the NBA.. And he's considered weak.

technique > *

Quote from: Coges on June 15, 2017, 10:25:20 pm

@adarq man solid points. I pretty much agree with you for the most part. The thing that's getting me is everyone giving Conor no chance. It makes me devil's advocate by proxy.

I'm just so interested to see how he comes out for the fight. He can't stand with the open MMA stance he has. But he's an awkward, unique mover so for me it's interesting. I will definitely be watching.

@fastdoeslie hahahahahahahaha Yeah you go and have a boxing match with McGregor. I would buy that PPV.

lol i guess fighting analysis is not my expertise, i should stick with bball..... i know this mma guy at my gym and he never does heavy squats, he could barely do 135 full squat..... that is why i thought if some of the stronger oly lifters switched to boxing training, might do pretty well.....

Lifting has nothing to do with fighting though. An MMA fighter with weak lifts could pull you into a clinch and land a knee or elbow on your chin and you're gone.

Oly lifters trying to transition to boxing doesn't sound like a good idea either, unless you're talking at like, 5-6 years old, not adults.

Think of boxing like this: it's like being able to dribble a basketball like Kyrie. Now go try and teach an oly lifter how to dribble a basketball like Kyrie, without defense. Then, when you finally get them to that level, now put some collegiate or pro defense on them. I imagine you're probably thinking, "impossible".. Same with fight sports - for the most part. It's very rare that you get people who didn't start as kids, or young teens. Extremely rare to see people transition/take it on as adults/20's+.

Deontay Wilder is one example.. Took up boxing at ~18-20 or so? Became heavy weight champ.. Has some insane power. Decent boxer.. But he's going to have to fight some serious names soon, and he'll probably get owned.

ie, Anthony Joshua will probably destroy him.

Unless Floyd has been smoking pot, drinking lean, and shooting up heroin all this time up until the fight.... mcgregor has no chance.....

I bet half of the people on adarq.org could stand a good chance vs mcgregor in a boxing match if we trained for it...... cause we all have sick core/back and leg strength from all the squats anyway....

absolutely not, LMFAO.

and im sure floyd has been training too.... if pac man couldn't do shit to floyd.... what is mcgregor going to do? kick him in the nuts?

fight would be awesome if it was in the octagon....

that would be a decent "equalizer".. boxing in an octagon is very difficult. I did it a few times, when I used to box. I was used to the ring, and sparred some mma guys in the octagon instead of the ring. Guys I had no problem with in a ring, had me wrecked up against the cage. You forget it's a cage and just get owned because there's nowhere to go. With ropes, you can evade into the ropes, spring back for hard counters, etc.. Not in an octagon.

That's a good idea.. too bad they won't do that.

eek

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etWbCUQ_68w" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etWbCUQ_68w</a>

(also, why the F did they put that sh*t music in the video)



love this interview with Heerden:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0GHTKvtGMQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0GHTKvtGMQ</a>

LMAO.

Heerden: "Conor is good. He'd beat some pros at 147"
Interview: "Like who? How about <lists like 12 names>"

Every response from Heerden was "no" with a laugh.. lmao.

I bought pretty much every Mayweather PPV fight.. can't think of one I didn't pay for. I definitely WILL NOT be ordering that PPV.

I mean, if we look at it just from a circus perspective, it's kind of fun.. But from a fight fan purist perspective, it's complete garbage.

It's kind of like Ali vs Hulk Hogan .. nothing wrong with it.. It's just some circus/entertainment stuff. This is slightly different in that it'll be a REAL FIGHT, but still, it's mostly a circus event.

So i'll just continue to look at it from the circus perspective & appreciate that for what it is.

The idea of Floyd breaking Marciano's record with a fight like this, instead of fighting GGG, is very annoying though. Hard to not let that annoy you if you're a "fight fan". :/

Quote from: fast does lie on June 14, 2017, 09:43:48 pm

Quote from: Coges on June 14, 2017, 08:27:54 pm

Quote from: fast does lie on June 14, 2017, 08:12:42 pm

What happens on Aug 26?

Mayweather v McGregor

lol i'm not looking forward to that at all, mcgregor is going to get slaughtered.... no fun when u know exactly whats going to happen....

FWIW I think Mayweather wins but...

At worst McGregor has a punchers chance. He carries concrete in his hands and is a unique mover. He will come in bigger than Floyd with reach to boot and if Floyd is as defensive as he would normally be then McGregor has so much more freedom to move around. I think it's going to be a really interesting fight.

I disagree. McGregor has a puncher's chance in the same way a meteor has a chance of falling on the ring and killing Floyd

Floyd will be able to do whatever he wants to Conor.. The question is really: will he string it out to give the fans "more action" and play with him to make it a longer fight? I imagine he will.

Personally, i'd like to see him end Conor in round 1 and just be done with it..

If they were fighting in MMA, i'd say Conor would destroy Floyd, absolutely no chance, not even a puncher's chance. These sports are just way too different.

Conor has never seen anything like Floyd's speed/reflexes/stamina/movement in a ring. And he can't slow it down by tackling Floyd to take it to the ground or kicking his legs etc. He's just a sitting duck.

As for Conor having concrete hands, sure maybe in MMA.. but I imagine not at all in boxing. Boxers fight with bigger gloves & have better chins, they are all about taking head punishment. Lots of these MMA fighters seem to have glass chins - could be due to the gloves but, I imagine it has more to do with less hardening of themselves to proper head trauma while growing up. They probably spent more time wrestling, doing BJJ, doing more weak sparring than the stuff you see in these brutal boxing gyms around the world etc. Boxer's usually have hundreds of amateur fights, and spar hard af in some really grimy gyms while they are growing up.

dno.. i'd be shocked if Conor lands anything impressive.. or even if he looks impressive at all. He'll have maybe 1 round (the first) where he has an ounce of confidence and will look sharp .. but after that, he's going to be Floyd's play toy.