I've only seen the 2012 version... not seeing how this is the most epic sci-fi movie of all time.. I'm pretty sure you guys are talking about the original I'll have to check that out.
It shows how he rates boxers, not by their abilities but by their records.
I love his confidence. Honestly there's a lot of pressure to say Ali is the best boxer ever etc. but I thought Mayweather handled the situation well and was respectful. In the controversial world of boxing he's undefeated so got to respect that.
Yup! That stands out to me too. I can't recall seeing Floyd "pushed around" or "caving" in an interview. He usually has things firmly mapped out in his head, not easy to sway/pressure him.
Bu that buster douglas fight, I watched recently when I read virgil hunter's comments of andre berto beating floyd mayweather i think or maybe khan vs mayweather and he referred to this fight in terms of how they could win, as they had no same ring iq as floyd so they would just have to try hard and just beat him.
yeah you can't straight up box Floyd, because his boxing is superb.. your best chance is to do what Maidana did: box + make it ugly. Boxing PLUS making it ugly, is a good formula.. but you need to be in incredible condition to pull something like that off. By the 8th round most people are going to be severely diminished; making it ugly with aggressive clinching & holding while chasing Floyd, takes alot out of a fighter.
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it was def a big upset. They should have had a rematch and I think maybe tyson would have won it if that loss humbled him,
nah that loss destroyed Tyson IMHO... Tyson is someone who can't handle defeat. He's got lots of characteristics of a "bully". Plus that loss showed other fights that he's not as tough as he looks. Once other fighters lose that fear, you're no longer as powerful.
I remember people were telling me he was going to kill Holyfield, .. Everyone laughed at me when I said holyfield was going to put on a clinic and KO him. People get caught up in the brutality of offense. Skills can always overcome power, in boxing.
It shows how he rates boxers, not by their abilities but by their records.
I didn't get that at all, from that video..
His ratings, IMHO, had more to do with dominating at multiple weight classes and beating world champions. Dominating, by default, means you'll have an impressive record.
Abilities are important but, if you lose to someone you shouldn't, or just lose several times in general, doesn't that say something about the consistency (or true level) of your abilities - unless you were robbed? I mean you could be the most impressive boxer on the planet, but if you lose some big fights, it drops you down automatically on a list of "the best ever".
Personally, every time Floyd has stepped into the ring, I expect him to win. I expect this because I haven't seen a fighter out there, who is capable of figuring him out. So to me, I understand why someone would put him at #1 in a p4p "best ever" list. He's like an encryption cipher that no one has ever been able to crack. That consistency and mastery, is on another level.
So, the "sweet science" is more than just power, offense, defense, technique, skill, flashiness, etc.. To *me*, it's consistently being able to defeat your opinion, no matter who they are, no matter how bad they want it. The "sweet science" has always been "the art of hit but not get hit", which is at the core of the "mastery" of boxing. It's obvious I gravitate towards defensive boxers, it's mostly because of that idea about "hit and not get hit".
Also like Floyd said, Ali to me is all about what he stood for. His abilities were undeniable, and he changed heavyweight boxing forever. But his refusal to fight in Vietnam & the way he went about it, while being heavyweight champion of the world, will never be forgotten. That is eternal.
"Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?"
"Man, I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong. No Viet Cong ever called me nigger."
"I'm not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over."
that missed opp by chile @ ~1:30 in that vid, man, that was an epic play.. if they could have finished that goal, would have been amazing. That was my favorite play of the match.
I'd put this upset near Buster Douglas vs Tyson.. To me that's the biggest boxing upset of all time, and will continue to be, because of the drama in the last 3 rounds & Douglas sealing the deal with a KO.
I was young af when I watched that upset.. But I actually remember crying when Tyson got KO'd by Buster, lmao.
Germany vs Chile was a fun match to watch.. Chile had some golden opportunities but couldn't convert. Pretty heated match. I was absolutely shocked that the Muai Thai elbow from the Chilean player on the Germany player, wasn't a red card. Disgrace.
For anyone who just watched Pacquiao/Horn and wants to see the "difference" in efficiency vs total punch output & how it "should look" for the fighter who throws less punches/but is more accurate, this is a good example.
If you're a judge/observer, you could EASILY give this fight to Maidana.. you can also easily give it to Floyd. Ring generalship is the key. I'm pretty sure most observers will see Floyd clearly controlling the fight, even though he's out worked. And that becomes the difference maker in every round: more efficient + controlling each round.
So after watching that fight.. If you recall the Pacquiao/Horn fight, Pacquiao was in a *war* compared to Floyd/Maidana 1. If Pacquiao had jabbed & gone to the body more, and tried to make it less of a war & more of a boxing match, the fight would have looked much different. The judges would have more easily given him "Effective Aggression". But instead he let Horn control that aspect of the fight.
IMHO, this is a perfect example of how Pacquiao should have tried to "out class" Horn .. not out war him.
Edit: biggest difference for Floyd: better defense, jabs, dedicated body work, controlled the pace of the fight even though he was getting outworked in the punch totals (ie outclassing Maidana).
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I'll have to check that out.
