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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: July 13, 2017, 09:47:09 pm »I imagine what most people mean is "Conor won't have the same level of power". Boxing gloves are much heavier. I think they are using 10 oz gloves in the bout? 4 oz vs 10 oz is a huge difference. I've sparred with 12, 14, and 16 oz gloves. I'd never spar with 4 oz gloves. Hard sparring with 4 oz gloves instantly becomes a "real fight", every shot can cause serious damage (especially to orbitals etc). 10 oz gloves aren't that far off from sparring glove weight, and 10 oz is used in amateurs.
Actually, maybe it's like 10 oz vs 4 oz running shoes?
Most everyone on this forum knows how good it feels to put on some very light weight shoes and do some sprints, runs, etc.. Then you put on heavier shoes and you instantly feel more sluggish. Yet, these elite Kenyan marathoners are running in 8-12 oz shoes.. How the hell do they feel so good in such heavy shoes? Experience, IMHO. These guys, who look so skinny/weak to most people, are running consistent sub-5 min/mi for 26.2 miles in 8-12 oz shoes, 8 being "minimalist" to them. So not only do they have the lung capacity, mitochondria in their capillaries; they also have this incredible mastery of a heavy implement on their foot. Studies show you can output more force in heavier shoes up to a certain point, but tell that to anyone coming from flats/waffles.
To me, that's similar to the idea of going from 4 oz to 8-10 oz gloves in a professional bout. When you "feel fast" with 4 oz, have power with 4 oz, have timing with 4 oz, then you put on a pair of 8's or 10's & get in there with someone who has mastered 8's/10's (and even 16'z in sparring), the power/speed/confidence you had with 4 oz gloves is going to most likely suffer. Add that to the accumulated fatigue of throwing/defending/missing with heavier gloves, and you have a new set of problems.
If this were a "fight" (not boxing) with 4 oz gloves, i'd give Conor the edge, especially considering Floyd would probably break his hands within the first round. Floyd would not do well in the bare knuckle game, he's not physically built for it & his style is perfected/optimized for boxing.
pC!
But what size gloves do you think MMA guys spar with usually? Not 4oz that's for sure. That's just a recipe for disaster. Most guys will use 14 or 16's as far as I'm aware.
Right but they are training all kinds of skills: grappling, wrestling, kicks, muay thai, and boxing = alot less punches & alot less work with boxing gloves.
MMA dudes do lots of light contact sparring with MMA gloves, because they also have to work takedowns/grappling/wrestling, so you don't see them putting in the kind of work boxers do with heavier gloves, not even close to the same amount of total work from what i've seen in person (at ATT).
ie, every time a boxer goes into a session, they are pretty much lacing them up for the hour.
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On a side note, I do love Joe Rogan's take on things that MMA should be bare knuckle. Makes sense to me.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7CYIhMW9KA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7CYIhMW9KA</a>
dno. from a repetitive brain trauma/grappling/submission/purity perspective, it makes sense. From a face bone structure & hand injury perspective, it doesn't. Longevity of fighters in the sport would go way down if you allowed bare fisted punches, that's why it seems like they'd have to go back to open palm. The knuckles are just way too delicate. With bare knuckle punches, fractures to the face & knuckles would go way up.. Broken orbitals on jabs, lmao. Elbows/shins are lethal, but the volume of punches you can get in, in such a short time frame, is a big problem: imagine bare fisted GNP finishes.. sounds risky.
I remember head stomps in Pride.. glad that's not allowed in the US.
also the shit he said at 2:08 is what wrecked my right hand (index knuckle) permanently. learned that the hard way.
