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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 06, 2013, 05:01:49 am »
Thanks T0dday, LBBS and raptor. Advice taken, lets get to 3 plates first! 140kg @ 75-80kg will be sick, btw 1.75x-1.87x bw, which is pretty damn good. Adding the next 15kg of weight to the bar is the main focus. I still don't think it's going to be very challenging but lets see how it goes.

Thoughts on front squats
I was watching some legit oly lifters (reza etc) that they take the bar on the rack with just 2 fingers. I can do that too and it feels so much better, brings the bar closer into the body and gives a much stabler rack position. But the caveat is it's just two fingers man. Now for the oly lifter thats no big deal, they can just drop the bar. But if I do that, i'll need a new barbell. So i'm forced to hug the bar with my hands instead. That sucks. Just something I wish i could change but i'm not able to.

No, if you can get your hands around it, thats MUCH better, youre looking at guys with flexibility issues.  The goal is always to get a full grip so you dont have to reposition for the jerk, those guys are just too big/not flexible enough.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-SEt13Wyhc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-SEt13Wyhc</a>

Ohhh. I didn't know that. Thanks for explaining!

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i'm reconsidering the notion that the front squat is a quad only exercise. It's not.

Where did you get that from?  The front squat is in many cases a superior glute exercise than the squat, since the low back and hamstrings do not contribute as much to the lift.  Think of exercises in terms of movement patterns, not muscle isolation. 

It's a commonly heard claim that the front squat isolates the quads. Logically that's not saying it's quad only - but it's not far from saying that. I dont agree with that at all, it's a very much full body exercise, you can't come into it with fatigued lower back or hamstrings or whatever and hope to get your programmed worksets - from my experience. Hell even if my chest is too fatigued from benching the previous day, i can't stand up with the bar thru the whole set!

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A lot of the "glute soreness" people think they get from low bar squats is the glute/ham tie ins being overstretched at the end rom.  You can get sore from static stretching too, doesnt do shit for hypertrophy/strength though.

I have a question - if the glute soreness is just purely incidental in the low bar squat - not associated with hypetrophy/strength, how come those vocal guys who do lbbs a lot usually have big asses?

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That vert calculator is fucking trash, and the way it was made is laughable, ie. the POWER SNATCH FROM THE HIP correlating highly with the vert, so this genius goes "since most WEIGHTLIFTERS can power snatch xxx % of their snatch, and they can snatch xxxx percent of their squat, we can take the SQUAT, THE FUCKING MILLIONTH VARIAbLE DOWN THE LINE, and correlate it with the vert!".   The one thing he always maintained was that a 2x bw front squat = 40 inch vert, and out of  all the retarded calculations in there, that one is definitely the most "legit".  I dont think I have ever seen a 2xbw front squat on athlete 6 feet or over at a decent fat % that couldnt fly.

Yeah on the internet i've seen people with say a 400+ lowbar (belted) backsquat, maybe just to parallel, maybe struggling with, maybe getting, a 300 front squat. If the LBBS squat is a double bw one, then the front squat isn't, it's like 75% of their low bar belted squat. So double bw front squats are kinda rare on the internet. You do have to be training specifically for it, otherwise you'd have to be a, i dunno, maybe, a guy weighing 200 with a 540 low bar belted squatter to do it, and that's kind of rare too, especially with an athletic bodyfat, and then I dont know if it would be a proper deep atg front squat of 405 either. I'd like to see that I guess. But I digress. Of all the athletic rules of thumb, the double bw front squat seems like the most honest ,most meaningful one. It kind of forces you to have a decent bodyfat % - because excessive bodyweight really makes the job that much harder, you can't fudge your way to it with depth/assistance/excess bodyfat gain like with other squats. High bar double bw is probably the next best goal, and then i dont even know what a double bw lowbar squat means, it's not something I can realistically hope to achieve but for those who can it seems too easy. I'm rambling, sorry.


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Training
FS 2x90, 1x100, 1x110, 1Fx117.5, 1Fx117, 2x105
BP 2x6x76

FS notes:
Back was fried from last workout, couldn't squat shit lol.

BP notes
So far so good. Next time 2x6x77.5.

Lower back ill recovered, was a waste of a workout. Next time hopefully I can get back on track. It just goes to show how much front squatting demands from the posterior chain, i'm reconsidering the notion that the front squat is a quad only exercise. It's not.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 05, 2013, 11:43:54 am »
lol.. wont be the last time I make that error. Speaking of which, sometimes I wonder if the only reason I come to this site is to heap upclicks upon LBBS (the poster not the lift, the lift sucks).   :D

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 05, 2013, 04:30:28 am »
Thanks T0dday, LBBS and raptor. Advice taken, lets get to 3 plates first! 140kg @ 75-80kg will be sick, btw 1.75x-1.87x bw, which is pretty damn good. Adding the next 15kg of weight to the bar is the main focus. I still don't think it's going to be very challenging but lets see how it goes.

Thoughts on front squats
I was watching some legit oly lifters (reza etc) that they take the bar on the rack with just 2 fingers. I can do that too and it feels so much better, brings the bar closer into the body and gives a much stabler rack position. But the caveat is it's just two fingers man. Now for the oly lifter thats no big deal, they can just drop the bar. But if I do that, i'll need a new barbell. So i'm forced to hug the bar with my hands instead. That sucks. Just something I wish i could change but i'm not able to.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: my jump training
« on: April 05, 2013, 04:23:16 am »
Yea, same when I did BSS for a while and got glute action on them. Perhaps I should re-instate the exercise.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: my jump training
« on: April 05, 2013, 03:27:21 am »
lol, fair enough. Your half deadlifts suck tho, for the record I gave them a nice long chance and got 0 in return :(

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: my jump training
« on: April 04, 2013, 07:56:46 am »
It's probably a matter of good posture + good posterior chain strength.

Posture? Explain please.

Short of clicking my fingers, wishing for and having a 500# deadlift without training for it, what specifically can I do about posterior chain?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: my jump training
« on: April 04, 2013, 04:39:59 am »
It turned out the reason I wasn't able to jump as high from a runup (eg fast break) is because I invariable end up trying to jump off one leg and i'm currently a poor one leg jumper. I used to be a one leg jumper ages before but these days its all double leg. If I consciously think double leg take off, i can get myself into position to jump decently even running.

I have a new question. More than jumping, i have an interest in being able to move quicker, especially from stationary. How do you train that acceleration and explosive movement?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 04, 2013, 03:00:50 am »
Okay, this is promising. My whole body is sore, especially back (upper-middle-lower) and hamstrings as well. This tells me 2 things, my high bar squat is pretty good for hitting my posterior chain as well. But I prob still need some kind of hamstring assistance exercise in there at some point. For now high bar squat and front squats will have to do though.

I should be patient and let the gains some come but i'm in a hurry to get to my goals quickly so I can start cutting again, just wanna be lean and ripped so I can do a proper bulk and become a beast. Patience. Relax.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 03, 2013, 10:31:47 am »
Change of plan. I wont start cutting until i've got the following lifts:

FS 5x115kg, HBBS 6x120kg
BP 6x80-85kg, OHP 3x65kg, WCU 5x100kg


until then i'm not actively cutting but i'll do a shitload of conditioning for or from basketball so whatever fatloss happens will be purely incidental. Main priority is to get my lifts somewhere respectable before cutting aplomb. Then i'll just maintain them thru the cut. Easy.

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Training
FS 2x90, 1x100, 1x107.5, 1x115, 3Fx110, 3x105, 5x102.5, 5x100
BS 3x90, 2x100, 4x107.5, 5x105, 6x102.5
OHP 3x50, 2x55, 2x57.5, 3x57.5, 2x60, 5x55, 5x52.5
WCU 2x7xBW
DUNKZ 30 total
BBALL practice, ~80 shots made, 40 mid range, 20 3s, 20 foul shots
 
FS notes:
Slowly getting back into the swing of things. I think by next workout i'll have recovered most of the lost ground. I'll prob go for and get one or two of: 3x115 (=PR), 4x110 (=PR) and 5x108.5 (=PR)!

The bar doesn't feel stupidly heavy/awkward on my shoulders like monday, felt light as a feather actually. I just haven't got the upper back endurance to rep out heavier 5s yet but that makes sense because it's been a while since I did some longer sets (which I did today) - so hopefully the 5s will come nicely real soon.

BS notes:
Went a bit conservative with weights, form was good, didn't court failure, except that last set, i wanted a 6 even though I prob should have racked it after the 5th, but the rep turned out to be easy so i'm not too concerned.

OHP notes:
New thing where i'm going to respect the OHP - done right it will make me into a beast. Done wrong, it will break my back and snap my shit up. Now keeping a rep or two in the tank, no grinders. But will not shy away from heavier sets either. I would like a BW press without grinding. When you are a light weight like me, that's only going to be around 70-75kg so it should be doable.

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Annoyingly though I got this tightness in my left glute/hamstring again, very weird muscular tight spot. It goes away after a day or so with some tennis ball rolling, might be just weakness from not sprinting for so long. It's not a major issue, just flagging it.

Sounds about right. Every time I started jumping/basketball/sprinting after a long time off, I get stuff like that too, I think it's an imbalance or something, but it goes away after regular training.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: April 03, 2013, 03:13:47 am »
it's 3rd April today and i'm back on the diet wagon now after however long off i've had! No more eating chocolate eggs for breakfast, i've finished them all. Time to do this thing, finish what I started - get down to 159-160lb and achieve true reverse hypertrophy status. The scale said 78.3kg (!) this morning, time to get sub 75kg asap. But I don't feel or look that heavy, so I guess it's water retention or something, whatever the case, I have my goal and that's what i'm focusing on.

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Too bored to search, does ibuprofen help healing? I mean does it actively act against the inflammation or does it just reduce the pain? Are you happy with it's action?
I am asking because here the most 'popular' and 'proven' nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug is Voltaren ( whose action from what i see is based on Diclofenac ). But everyone seems to swear to ibuprofen on the net so i was wondering if i should give it a chance. Also, pills or gel? Gel massage is what i use, but i've read its nonsence because the gel cant penetrate more than a couple of inches (shut up raptor!), so it can never reach the muscles.
Sooo off topic!  :derp:


Both are anti-inflammatory.   None actually helps healing.  Voltaren is just a brand name for drug Diclofenac.   Like Advil and Ibuprofen.   Try to avoid all NSAIDs if you can for regular use.   I don't want to get into the details but all have some drawbacks, not the least of which is hepatic toxicity (bad for you liver).  For those who don't care about their health... there is also evidence that they interfere with muscle gains (that should make you avoid them!) when used chronically.   Personally, I favor athletes use Naproxen rather than Ibuprofen (brand name Aleve, celebrex is similar).   

In general Diclofenac is available in the widely available Eastern Part of Europe (Turkey, Bulgaria, etc) and Ibuprofen in America.   If anything I would argue for Diclofenac, there are better studies for diclofenac and arthritis relief than ibuprofen.  Additionally dicofenac gel is much safer... if it works for you by all means use it!   In general everyone on the net seems to use ibuprofen cause that's whats available in America  and "everyone on the net" is probably from America.  IMO not worth the effort for you to get it if you can't pick it up OTC.   If you find Diclofenac doesn't work at all, I would try Naproxen.

word, celebrex is the shit. i found it much gentler. you need a script here to get it though which sucks, so most of the time you end up getting ibuprofen because it's otc. but i dont like ibuprofen, it works a treat though. gary who posted here before swore by voltaren as a revelation for treating his localised knee problems after years of using the other stuff.

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