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this is true but im trying to train my ability to train even in suboptimum state. the days of doing only lifting and nothing else to preserve recovery didn't really serve me very well. im a better athlete now in that i can do more things in training without needing perfect sleep/rest to make it work. work capacity isn't just how much work you can do in a workout but also how much work you can do while not fresh and also how much work you can do and do other things very soon after without needing a lot of rest in between. i think. in the past i couldn't do as much work in a workout but i def couldn't do it in a compromised state and now i can, which is cool. will keep training that ability, i think there's more there for me to attain. Exciting stuff. PRs aren't just weight on the bar but also the amount of work you can do.

yup.

Quote from: maxent on August 27, 2017, 10:54:32 am

this is true but im trying to train my ability to train even in suboptimum state. the days of doing only lifting and nothing else to preserve recovery didn't really serve me very well. im a better athlete now in that i can do more things in training without needing perfect sleep/rest to make it work. work capacity isn't just how much work you can do in a workout but also how much work you can do while not fresh and also how much work you can do and do other things very soon after without needing a lot of rest in between. i think. in the past i couldn't do as much work in a workout but i def couldn't do it in a compromised state and now i can, which is cool. will keep training that ability, i think there's more there for me to attain. Exciting stuff. PRs aren't just weight on the bar but also the amount of work you can do.

Yep definitely. and it showed last night in the fight; mcgregor was more youthful and prob stronger and just as in shape, but come the 9th round, his arms were like strings while mayweather was still throwing like its the 3rd round. Something about mayweather's mind to body connection is different.

one thing people need to realize too though, is Floyd is a FREAK. He's that 40 year old guy you see at a 5k who dusts everyone, dropping an insane time. Olympic athlete, boxed his entire life, has so much experience that he doesn't "worry" in a boxing match such that worrying causes more stress & fatigue. He's "as cool as a cucumber". But the amount of work he's put in over the years, dwarfs Conor by several orders of magnitude. Conor is only 29, Floyd has ~8 more years of hard work he put in, fighting at the elite level. So although it seems like youth was on Conor's side, it was actually more of a detriment. His "youth" is an extreme experience disadvantage since he's crossing over from MMA to Boxing.

so, as much as it is important for Conor to achieve elite level ability to recover, round after round in a high paced boxing match; trying to do such a thing "for the first time" in a massive event like that, is absolutely impossible. He could have become the world's best 12 x 3 minute runner and Floyd would have figured out how to drag him into deep waters that Conor has never experienced before.

so back to maxent & just training in general .. our failures over time & staying consistent, teach us alot. Training hard for so long, that experience is important. And think about how much we're still learning even 10 years later in some cases... At the highest levels, everything comes down to "mastery". It's usually the smallest little details that pay out the most.

peace!

LMFAO.

I'd never sink my balls in ice .. well, I hope I never have too. I personally wouldn't mess around with that. If anything, maybe find a place where you can take some full ice baths? I'd definitely do ice baths.. seems like it could be very beneficial.

btw, lots of people on here making analogies between MMA and Boxing: sprinter vs distance runner etc.

Here's one, just think about it energetically:

In a championship MMA fight, you have 5 x 5 minute rounds, with 1 minute rest between each round. That's a total of 25 minutes of work, 5 minutes of rest, and 30 minutes total duration.

In a championship Boxing match, you have 12 x 3 minute rounds, with 1 minute rest between each round. That's a total of 36 minutes of work, 12 minutes of rest, and 48 minutes total duration.

Now imagine this is some kind of olympic track and field event. Each round of work represents some kind of sustained "pace" of effort. If that were the case, you would expect the 5 minute round to be a slower pace than the 3 minute round. There are 7 more rounds in a boxing match though, so it won't be as fast as 5 x 3, but it should definitely be faster than 5 x 5. Now, add onto that, that in MMA you can "stall" considerably on the ground. In boxing, you can stall by "holding", but you still have to support your bodyweight.

So, if an MMA fighter wants to transition to a boxing match of championship caliber, they have to adapt to 7 more rounds at a higher average pace per round.

IMHO, It's rare that you see MMA fights that out pace boxing matches, weight class adjusted. Lighter weights go nuts in MMA, just like in boxing, but in boxing you can see over 1000 punches, 100 per round etc. I've seen some pretty crazy MMA fights but if I try to compare them to crazy boxing fights, boxing easily wins regarding total work.

I'm sure there are some studies out there which confirm this.. But I just think people are "tricked" somewhat, when they see 5 minute rounds vs 3 minute rounds. Another example is 5 RM vs 3 RM. Generally, 3 minutes should allow a higher pace than 5 minutes. If you look at amateur boxing with 2 minute rounds, it's even higher paced than pro boxing usually, it's a non-stop punch fest.. those fights only go a few rounds though, so it's like an all out sprint with less total work.

Finally, if you want to see how hard MMA vs Boxing would be, just go out to a track and run "hard paced" 5 x 5 minutes on one day, then "hard paced" 12 x 3 minutes on another day. If you make it to 12, congratulations. LMFAO. Man it's brutal.. That's probably a decent way of teaching the difference between those championship events to someone.

peace!!

http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-hand-injury-kept-me-from-sparring-last-month-camp--119906

floyd states hand injury kept him from sparring the last 4 weeks.

conor was done. he had no chance of recovering, he had nothing left.

ref should have just let it keep going so that he could get KTFO'd.

btw posted this on T-Nation:

https://forums.t-nation.com/t/mayweather-vs-mcgregor/231073/133

not sure if I posted it on here, but come on this is pretty damn accurate:

If Conor has any chance of winning, it’s in the first 3 rounds. IMHO it’s absolutely impossible for him to make it past 8 rounds. If he makes it to 8, Floyd will be hunting him & he won’t be able to properly defend himself. Floyd doesn’t get tired & he’s gone 12 in prize fights dozens of times.

Conor better go for broke early on, because he has a 0% chance making it to round 12. If he makes it to round 6, he’s going to be breathing hard through his mouth and defense/reflexes will be greatly diminished.

Really happy to have watched that. Connor is a beast for competing the way he did. He's really a special athlete and his mental strength and belief in self is case study worthy. Can't believe he took a situation that most people laughed at and competed better than most pro boxers who I've seen go up against mayweather

definitely .. though, Floyd vs elite pros is a different Floyd. Floyd never fights in the style he fought tonight .. He was confident he could use a style like that and make it more entertaining for the fans, but not take any real punishment.

same .. Conor competed harder than I thought he would. I thought he'd compete hard early on but crumbled by round 4 or so .. He didn't crumble until like round 8.. And even then, he held on.

Conor has some huge balls man. god damn.