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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 05:31:10 pm »
btw, lots of people on here making analogies between MMA and Boxing: sprinter vs distance runner etc.

Here's one, just think about it energetically:

In a championship MMA fight, you have 5 x 5 minute rounds, with 1 minute rest between each round. That's a total of 25 minutes of work, 5 minutes of rest, and 30 minutes total duration.

In a championship Boxing match, you have 12 x 3 minute rounds, with 1 minute rest between each round. That's a total of 36 minutes of work, 12 minutes of rest, and 48 minutes total duration.

Now imagine this is some kind of olympic track and field event. Each round of work represents some kind of sustained "pace" of effort. If that were the case, you would expect the 5 minute round to be a slower pace than the 3 minute round. There are 7 more rounds in a boxing match though, so it won't be as fast as 5 x 3, but it should definitely be faster than 5 x 5. Now, add onto that, that in MMA you can "stall" considerably on the ground. In boxing, you can stall by "holding", but you still have to support your bodyweight.

So, if an MMA fighter wants to transition to a boxing match of championship caliber, they have to adapt to 7 more rounds at a higher average pace per round.

IMHO, It's rare that you see MMA fights that out pace boxing matches, weight class adjusted. Lighter weights go nuts in MMA, just like in boxing, but in boxing you can see over 1000 punches, 100 per round etc. I've seen some pretty crazy MMA fights but if I try to compare them to crazy boxing fights, boxing easily wins regarding total work.

I'm sure there are some studies out there which confirm this.. But I just think people are "tricked" somewhat, when they see 5 minute rounds vs 3 minute rounds. Another example is 5 RM vs 3 RM. Generally, 3 minutes should allow a higher pace than 5 minutes. If you look at amateur boxing with 2 minute rounds, it's even higher paced than pro boxing usually, it's a non-stop punch fest.. those fights only go a few rounds though, so it's like an all out sprint with less total work.

Finally, if you want to see how hard MMA vs Boxing would be, just go out to a track and run "hard paced" 5 x 5 minutes on one day, then "hard paced" 12 x 3 minutes on another day. If you make it to 12, congratulations. LMFAO. Man it's brutal.. That's probably a decent way of teaching the difference between those championship events to someone.

peace!!

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Thread
« on: August 27, 2017, 05:06:22 pm »
Floyd J'n it up


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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 05:01:59 pm »
http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-hand-injury-kept-me-from-sparring-last-month-camp--119906

floyd states hand injury kept him from sparring the last 4 weeks.

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 04:52:57 pm »
btw... if Conor hadn't thrown so many useless hammer fists, he might have been able to make it to round 11. Seriously, what a waste of energy.


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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 04:40:36 pm »
conor was done. he had no chance of recovering, he had nothing left.

ref should have just let it keep going so that he could get KTFO'd.

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 11:32:09 am »
respect for the mma guy for not gassing out like an idiot in a pro boxing match while making the fight interesting.

yup

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floyd took some decent hits. about time he worked for his $3M/min fighting salary.

right because he didn't work for his money against Maidana, Hatton, DLH, Judah, etc..  :trollface: Those were tough fights for him.

Floyd also deserves some respect for actually fighting in that sloppier style to make the fight more entertaining. He fought in a completely different style than he's used to.

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 02:54:07 am »
btw posted this on T-Nation:

https://forums.t-nation.com/t/mayweather-vs-mcgregor/231073/133

not sure if I posted it on here, but come on this is pretty damn accurate:

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If Conor has any chance of winning, it’s in the first 3 rounds. IMHO it’s absolutely impossible for him to make it past 8 rounds. If he makes it to 8, Floyd will be hunting him & he won’t be able to properly defend himself. Floyd doesn’t get tired & he’s gone 12 in prize fights dozens of times.

Conor better go for broke early on, because he has a 0% chance making it to round 12. If he makes it to round 6, he’s going to be breathing hard through his mouth and defense/reflexes will be greatly diminished.

:D


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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 02:53:22 am »
Really happy to have watched that. Connor is a beast for competing the way he did. He's really a special athlete and his mental strength and belief in self is case study worthy. Can't believe he took a situation that most people laughed at and competed better than most pro boxers who I've seen go up against mayweather

definitely .. though, Floyd vs elite pros is a different Floyd. Floyd never fights in the style he fought tonight .. He was confident he could use a style like that and make it more entertaining for the fans, but not take any real punishment.

same .. Conor competed harder than I thought he would. I thought he'd compete hard early on but crumbled by round 4 or so .. He didn't crumble until like round 8.. And even then, he held on.

Why do you think Conor tired the way he did even with all the preparation though? Is it just that no training/ sparring can compare to the energy you consume with the adrenaline of a real fight? I'm not sure how his trainers wouldn't be able plan his training to make him able to last through fight.

can't prepare for an elite pro boxer who is comfortable going 12 rounds, it's impossible. He'd need a year at least to get him through 12, and several "tune up" fights that actually go 12, in a pro setting. He'd have to handle 8, 10, then 12.

Floyd covered up and walked him down. Forced Conor to throw more than he probably prepared to throw. Also the environment/setting probably had Conor's HR up more than he was comfortable with. When Conor started tiring, and Floyd starting hunting more, throwing more shots, it compounded the effect.

There's no preparation for something like this .. other than preparing like a proper professional boxer, by taking tune up fights first & getting the experience. I imagine it's very similar to the "first for everything": first dunk contest, first mile race, first 5k, first pro mma fight, first pro boxing match, but then you have: FIRST PRO BOXING MATCH GOING 12 ROUNDS AGAINST AN ELITE BOXER WHO HAS NEVER GOTTEN TIRED IN A FIGHT. LMFAO.

I mean did you guys see how fresh Floyd was in round 9? He wasn't tired at all .. completely relaxed, confident, fast, sharp, etc. He wasn't in a fight at that point.. Rounds 8/9 for him were "ez work", at that point Conor was basically dead to him, and was just a bag of meat swaying around for him to try and pulverize. Beyond Floyd's incredible conditioning which he's demonstrated in every single fight, his experience allows him to remain calm/relaxed/confident every round. This advantage can only come from experience. Conor tried his best to try and do that, but you just can't learn it on the job like that, against someone who already has that experience. It's just impossible.

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 01:20:04 am »
Really happy to have watched that. Connor is a beast for competing the way he did. He's really a special athlete and his mental strength and belief in self is case study worthy. Can't believe he took a situation that most people laughed at and competed better than most pro boxers who I've seen go up against mayweather

definitely .. though, Floyd vs elite pros is a different Floyd. Floyd never fights in the style he fought tonight .. He was confident he could use a style like that and make it more entertaining for the fans, but not take any real punishment.

same .. Conor competed harder than I thought he would. I thought he'd compete hard early on but crumbled by round 4 or so .. He didn't crumble until like round 8.. And even then, he held on.

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 01:12:18 am »
Incredible performance from Conor, he's got some serious balls on him. So much respect.

Floyd had some fun in there but took some shots, that's going to sting his ego for a long time. That counter uppercut landed clean on him in the first, as well as several shots throughout the other rounds. Though, he wasn't fighting "defensively" in his philly shell/moving around like he normally does, so he was just walking Conor down but I still don't think he wanted to eat any shots. He knew there is just no way this could go 12, and you could see him basically increase the pace every round until Conor was completely toast in the end.

I love how the ref let so much go for Conor during the fight.



Also, I wish it wasn't stopped. I'd rather have seen Conor flat out cold on the canvas. Notice there was no complaint from Conor immediately after the stoppage though. He was toast.

:D

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 12:56:55 am »
Conor has some huge balls man. god damn.

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 12:54:23 am »
WTF why did ref stop the fight, dam.

good stoppage .. conor was dead.

edit: also no complaints from Conor.

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 12:54:13 am »
so much respect to Conor .. he really brought it. He really wanted to win, and he didn't look like he wanted to quit in the end.. His corner also didn't save him, which i'm surprised but happy about. He was ready to get KO'd.

absolutely insane.

Floyd looked like he had alot of fun .. but he took some shots and that'll hurt his ego for a LONG time, very long time.

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 12:50:16 am »
Lol floyd had a chance to throw a power punch when conor was pacing back towards the corner, but he thru a very weak shot at him..... strange

nah, he's trying to get him out of there NOW .. trust.

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Boxing / Re: Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Conor McGregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 12:49:34 am »
poor Conor .. almost dead.

mad respect tho.

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