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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: The AMAZING Food Picture Thread
« on: September 15, 2017, 03:29:01 pm »
so damn simple and so damn good.
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you just copped to spending $30,000 on equipment and whatever else. those two books together are excellent and cost less than $100. yes most of the info in them is available online for free but you have to search for it and put it together yourself. the whole point of lyle's books is to help people lose weight without losing strength, or to gain weight without getting overfat. so while your experience is what it is, you don't have to lose all strength while cutting quickly or slowly.
just sayin', priorities...

BW: 86kg
Activity:
Misc: So far no doms but i know that may well change ..
Diet Compliance:14/14, 0/5, 9/9, 0/2, 4/4, 0/2, 11/11
Rest...
Less than 200 days left! Yikes. Im neither lean, strong nor fit. Need to do better.
lol, I feel the same. My bulk= maintain strength add fat. My cut= lose strength and muscle at same rate as fat
You can do this better using EC for muscle sparing. Not sure where you live but you can buy Bronkaid from pharmacies like CVS by showing them your ID. Also use a lot of protein. Cut down on extra activity to minimise unnecessary fatigue and have high quality lifting sessions where you maintain the weight on the bar during the cut. Sleep really well. Also cut down the number of training days per week to around 2.5. That will help a lot.
disagree with the EC/Bronkaid advice, lolAgree with the sleep + protein (if alot is just adequate). Disagree with cutting down activity - one of the best ways to maintain muscle mass, is to use it, so training more frequently, in preferably short sessions (45-90 min), will help maintain mass. Long sessions with inadequate nutrition will definitely cause you to lose mass. Short, frequent, "intense" sessions with adequate nutrition (even if it's slightly deficit) will help you maintain mass.
Don't need any of that EC stuff IMHO. Want muscle sparing? Just perform 3 x 10-12 reps full body (push pull lower) 3-5x/week, nice and light .. and eat clean + get in adequate protein (at least 1g / kg bodyweight).
The best way to cut fat, is to do it slowly through a more healthy lifestyle change: cardio + clean diet. Drastic changes are more risky, and might cause one to return back to normal or even fat-supercompensate by eating everything in sight. Take the slow road, it's easy psychologically & it also helps you maintain mass easier.
also fwiw, this was me in early 2015 @ 207 lb, fat, probably in the obese category, absolutely no muscle definition anywhere, belly etc: https://cdn-enterprise.discourse.org/tnation/uploads/default/original/3X/4/4/4432554d44c83b71ee0050b4bd278b26c5689c81.jpg .... and you've probably seen late 2016 photos or my 2017 photos now. I don't lift anymore so it's harder for me to maintain abnormally high muscle mass given my frame, but when I was dunking, at ~145-150 lb I had abnormally large thigh mass, which was intended from squatting. So, through clean diet+exercise & lifting for strength (and to maintain muscle mass), I had no problem keeping muscle mass on the muscle groups I actually wanted to have muscle mass maintained.
pc!
I actually think this is a highly personal thing and in my book EC is perfectly safe. Have used it in the past and would use it again if not for living in a nanny state where it's completely banned. My best experience with EC was 18 months ago when i used EC while cutting down to ~165 while increasing muscle mass and strength on a pretty significant caloric deficit. And i was training super hard (not just lifting). The muscle sparing benefits along of it on a cut are worth the sides (which only last a couple of days before subsiding). It's the most researched (scientifically) fat loss drug and was safe but people are dumb and overdose and ruin it for everyone etc.
However i will say that FDL is fat enough atm to not need any EC but if/when it becomes an issue it's worth considering it if you are worried about retaining muscle. Maybe once he's down 20-30lb from now? Actually EC is one of those things where its fat loss effects actually improve with chronic usage. But i think it's better to use it sparingly (ha ha) in short hardcore cuts (10-20 days) with big deficits. Up to the individual to decide. It's just one option.
One thing to keep in mind is if you need to cut a very long time (eg in this case) then towards the tail end you do actually suffer from the muscle wasting problem a lot more than if your cut is relatively brief (say 6-12wks).

How organized are you? Do you have a planner for keeping track of your daily tasks? Just making planner use consistent will help a lot. Planning things you want to accomplish the day before definitely, having a weekly plan/goals is also good. Start with easy plans, work up to more complex ones. Some days you will fuck up and not do what you planned but keep at it.
Have us hold you accountable. I've noticed you stopped posting calorie counts. Look at maxent's log and the way he always tracks his diet. If you want I can downvote you every time you fuck up with your diet. But keeping track of it is the most important thing, the second I stopped counting calories, was when my cut started to drop off.

I don't know how much crappy food you eat, but try not to buy it in the first place. Just having it there means you have to go through a willpower challenge every time you see it, whereas not buying it at all means you only have to have 1 willpower challenge.
Work down to less and less sugary foods - having only a few carefully selected emergency snacks - mine are plain yogurt with fruit, milk, beef jerky, PB and pistachios (last 2 are a little high in cals tho). I know you try to eat pretty healthy but just general guidelines.
PLAN OUT IF fasts until 6-8 hours after sleep. PLAN OUT your meals for the day/week ahead of time. Have a plan to avoid stress eating - cold showers are great, going for a 30 minute walk focusing on positive thoughts. Get your mind off things.
I mention this because I recall seeing you make (on a rare occasion) posts about "the system" and such. For people who think along these lines, thinking about negative external influences as forms of control/suppression created by "the system" seems like a good motivator to defeat them.
Floyd mayweather says regarding trump about grabbing a woman by the p**y as real man talk.![]()
http://nypost.com/2017/09/14/mayweather-only-real-men-talk-about-sexually-assaulting-women/
perhaps the greatest boxer of all time though..


,(12, 8:30 AM, 9),(13, 7:30 AM, 9),(14 9 AM,9)]BW: 86kg
Activity:
Misc: So far no doms but i know that may well change ..
Diet Compliance:14/14, 0/5, 9/9, 0/2, 4/4, 0/2, 11/11
Rest...
Less than 200 days left! Yikes. Im neither lean, strong nor fit. Need to do better.
lol, I feel the same. My bulk= maintain strength add fat. My cut= lose strength and muscle at same rate as fat
You can do this better using EC for muscle sparing. Not sure where you live but you can buy Bronkaid from pharmacies like CVS by showing them your ID. Also use a lot of protein. Cut down on extra activity to minimise unnecessary fatigue and have high quality lifting sessions where you maintain the weight on the bar during the cut. Sleep really well. Also cut down the number of training days per week to around 2.5. That will help a lot.
Agree with the sleep + protein (if alot is just adequate). Disagree with cutting down activity - one of the best ways to maintain muscle mass, is to use it, so training more frequently, in preferably short sessions (45-90 min), will help maintain mass. Long sessions with inadequate nutrition will definitely cause you to lose mass. Short, frequent, "intense" sessions with adequate nutrition (even if it's slightly deficit) will help you maintain mass.morning
- GMB warm up
christ i'm stiff
nothing else since sunday. didn't get home from work until 10:30 last night. hoping for a run tonight. shoulder is in a bad way despite rest.
evening
- run 4km in 21:02
road. knee still noticeable but lessening.
- stretch
shoulder always feels better when i'm sweating.
Date: 12/09/2017
Soreness: once back home nothing that sticks out
BW: 62.4kg
Warm up
5 min walk to gym (cos I drove the other part of the journey)
activation and mobility drills
Workout
Jump Squats 26.25kg 3 x 5
Half Squats 110kg x 3, 130kg x 3 x 8
Calf Raises 110kg x 3, 130kg x 3 x 8
Progressive Depth Squats pin 10 x 3, Pin 12 x 1![]()
RDL 110kg x 3, 120kg x 2 x 7, 70kg x 1 x 7
Cool down
stretch
Comment
I drove most of it and parked so I get benefit of walking5 min from gym. Managed to pull out 1 rep which was good, only 1 more pin to go to get a full squat at 120kg using pins. the half squat, I was unsure if I was going deep enough so I place pins at around half and squatted down and found out that I could squat a little deeper so I removed the pins. Calf Raises always puts stress on my back, not stress on the joint but just by carrying it while standing and doing the calf raises my back hurts a little and then I rack the bar, that hurts my back more than the RDL's lol, which 120kg is heavy so will take my time on that. But Half squats progressing nicely adding 10kg on to the bar every 1-2 weeks.
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awesome man! great job on this progressive depth pin squatting technique. it really is a great technique and you are proving it. your body is continuously "feeling 120kg" and adapting slowly as you get lower.
i've done similar things with pin squats, it really works well. I've actually also done similar things with running too, distances are like pins: hit a pace for some sub-interval of the desired length, and work your way back, very similar to this pin squat technique.. also very effective.
great stuff.
pc!
Thanks.
That's quite interesting about the distance thing. I was thinking if something like that would be effective with running. Do you think it would work if I ran 100% at a certain distance like 60m, 80m, 100m till my body is used to it, then bump up the distance to like 150m, then try and get your body adjusted to running the entire distance at 100%, at first you may not make it the entire distance ofc, so run until you get tired, then next session try again and try to get further, and hopefully you will be able to run the entire 150m 100%. ofc you won't be running the competition races entire 100% you would use like in the video you posted of 200m strategy, 100% for first 50-60m, then coast the curve and then slingshot and try and run it fast to the end and the endurance you gain from the above method may be useful towards the end of the race when you are trying to decelerate as least as possible.



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