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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: February 01, 2016, 12:24:57 am »
Ate a TON this weekend and spent way too much money on food :(
Pooped tnite and then weighed myself at 203.8lbs!!! Havent been this heavy since January 2011 five years ago when i was 210lbs... Took another poop and brought it down to 202.8lbs. I know i still have food in me plus a bunch of glycogen stored from increased food/caeb intake. Also a lot of water weight, i can even feel it in my face.

Cutting down to 193lbs by March 1st. I'll probably be down to 196-197 in the morning a few days from dropping glycogen and water, so this wont be too difficult.

I know i'll crush 385x3 on the squats tomorrow though ;)

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Kingfush: SVJ 2-hand dunks 2.0
« on: January 31, 2016, 11:27:35 am »
Woohoo! So what's your squat:bw ratio right now?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: About the hangtime based vertical jump calculators
« on: January 31, 2016, 10:03:09 am »
Quote from: vag on January 31, 2016, 04:53:13 am
Iphone 6s does have high frame video, don't expect huge differences though, when you are between , say 24 and 25 frames at a 30 frame video, the 240 frames will only tell you it was 24,3 , no big deal. The other errors in that measurement ( knee angle at landing, horizontal displacement ) are more significant.
You can always use the hangtime as an indicator, but stick to the highest touch for accurate measurement.
Agreed. My current gym doesn't have a single good spot to test highest touch :( There is this one pipe running below the ceiling that I can only touch on my best SVJ days, and it happens to be a good goal to aim for though. Sooner or later I'll be able to get it almost every workout. Damn I miss having a gym with a basketball court in it...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 31, 2016, 09:57:26 am »
Lackluster update: ended up cancelling plans with friends to play basketball lol. I'll do more SVJ's on monday before lifting. I'll try deeper knee bends.

About the reaching up thing that T0ddday mentioned:
Another factor is that if I jump high and reach with my right arm, my body shifts to the left a little so my shoulder/elbow/wrist/fingertips are lined up "north/south" moreso than before. Sure when you do a standing reach this happens to some extent, but not completely as both of your feet have to be flatfooted.

A real vertical jump height is measured by how much you move your center of mass. But what if we have two people who both have a reach of 96", but one of them has size 9 feet and the other size 14? If they both have a highest touch of 120", is the one with way bigger feet really jumping as high as the other? Sure the difference is minimal, maybe 1.5" but... it bothers me dammit. I guess "vertical leap" isn't clearly defined is it.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: About the hangtime based vertical jump calculators
« on: January 30, 2016, 03:51:23 pm »
bump for more input from people

i want to get to the bottom of this

wish we had a 240fps camera (actually i think my iphone 6s does that) and did a bunch of measured jumps and graphed the (touch - reach) against (toes off ground - toes on gound) and also against (flat foot - flat foot) and found average corrections for them. maybe also see if the correction is the same as (reach on toes - reach flat footed)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Party's Over!
« on: January 30, 2016, 02:32:38 pm »
damn!

thread title...

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 30, 2016, 01:13:35 pm »
Quote from: LBSS on January 30, 2016, 12:53:41 pm
W/r/t trying to change the amount of knee bend: SVJ is a learned skill like any other movement, if a fairly simple one. Everyone will have a different optimal amount of knee bend, forward lean, etc., based on their structure. But that doesn't mean you can't try to add depth to your technique with submax practice and then draw on it when you max out.

Agreed! I'll be experimenting today.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 30, 2016, 12:39:16 pm »
^^ Really? Damn! I don't think I have a 35" SVJ yet though, that's pretty high. I think I have to try touching a measured object to see if I should be including the flatfooted part. I'll see how high I can get up to the rim today. I may be disappointed though; my squat:bw ratio is the highest it's ever been, but I have very little movement efficiency right now so I'm not sure how high i'll jump. I also have no clue how much movement efficiency affects my SVJ. It DOES affect my RVJ a ton though.

As for the knee bend, I'll try different things and see what happens. But this is important, and it drives me nuts and I have to say it. It's slightly relevant:

High vert is not a function of low GCT per se. Do not try to consciously lower your GCT.
High vert is a function of GCT is a function of POWER.

Your GCT's are lowered by increasing POWER, not by physically trying to stay on the ground less by means of anything else, like lessening knee bend.


Similarly:
A deep knee bend means you have more time to apply force to the ground and therefore jump higher right?
Well what if a deep knee bend is a function of not enough power? you're still ammortizing in a sense...
Perhaps shallow knee bend is a function of higher power, because the legs are able to reverse the countermovement instantly! This must be the case for the 50" jumpers that barely bend their knees.

Somewhere in between the two will be the optimal knee bend for everyone. But the question is: should we consciously try to change knee bend amount? Or should we just do what happens naturally, and assume that knee bend amount is a function of power?

Well hey, maybe if knee bend amount IS a function of power, is that still optimal? (I find it crazy how people can snatch more if the beginning of the movement isn't as fast as possible, but rather, the second part of it is).




edit; @vag, from your post:

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What seemed to work was use the hangtime calculator measuring the toes-off-to-touchdown hangtime, and then add the 'reach on toes - reach flatfoo
I measured 30-31" from heels off to toe touchdown. if i measure from toes off to toe touchdown, then I take away 4 frames. Instead of 48 frames, I now have 44 frames / 60FPS = 0.733sec or.... 25-26" vertical. Add the 5" correction and I'm back at 30-31" dammit.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 30, 2016, 11:31:08 am »
Quote from: Kingfish on January 30, 2016, 10:09:39 am
good job. the heaviest 4+reps volumes i did was at 385lbx6-8reps, 20-40reps/workout.  i cannot recover fast enough after this weight.
spend time with that 385lb. the 405+ for volumes burn you out so fast.

I am only doing a single top set of 3 reps, twice a week. Do you still think that'll burn me out fast? My volume sets are at 325 right now.

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your svj sucks :uhhhfacepalm:

hahaha

now lets see your damn RVJ already  :uhcomeon:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 30, 2016, 09:48:37 am »
Quote from: LBSS on January 29, 2016, 11:41:59 pm
this is the paper i was thinking of: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25965000 "Effect of different knee starting angles on intersegmental coordination and performance in vertical jumps"

also if anyone has journal access, this one looks really interesting: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26712510 "Understanding Vertical Jump Potentiation: A Deterministic Model"

Nice! Makes me think I'll put another 2 inches on my SVJ's with a little knee bend. I may play basketball today (for the first time in many months) and I'll record some SVJ's.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 29, 2016, 03:59:24 pm »
Its VERY shallow! Especially for a SVJ. Can you send me some info about this correlation? Id like to read about it.

I'll try getting deeper next workout. If it doesnt help then maybe i just need to get used to it. If it still doesnt help, then maybe lookint at it from the opposite direction would improve my vert: Quarter squats during a peaking phase would probably help me a ton.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 29, 2016, 10:07:36 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVTRmphiKH0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVTRmphiKH0</a>

Download this so you can play frame by frame:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/frame-by-frame-for-youtub/elkadbdicdciddfkdpmaolomehalghio?hl=en-GB I counted 24 frames. First frame was heel leaving the ground. Last frame was toes touching ground. That's how it's counted, right? 24 / 30 = 0.8sec in the air. That's 30-31 inches according to this chart: http://www.addoa.com/blog/diy-how-calculate-your-vertical-jump The vid is 60fps though on my phone. I'll try to get a more accurate read frame skipping on my computer. Edit: counted 48 frames at 60fps, giving me 0.8sec again.

According to the VJB calculator, at a weight of 195 and squat of 420 I should be jumping 36" standing. Damn I'm pretty short on that. The calculator has been very accurate for me in the past though, when I was consistently playing basketball. Makes me realize that movement efficiency helps SVJ's a ton, not just RVJ's.

BTW, I didn't know I used so little knee bend!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: January 29, 2016, 09:52:59 am »
Week 96
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Thursday - 01/28/16

-= Workout Log =-
De-load

Tuck Jumps      2 x 10                >> 60sec rest.
SVJ's              3 x 1                >> 60sec rests.

ATG Squat
135 x 8                                >> 2min rest.
185 x 5                                >> Almost failed 3rd rep. Didn't scream though.
225 x 3
295 x 1
345 x 1
380 x 3
325 x 3

Bench Press
45 x 15                               >> 2min rest.
95 x 8                                 >> Not sure if I've ever done 235x5 before. I've done 230x6 though.
135 x 5
195 x 2
235 x 5 PR
205 x 4

Romanian Deadlift
275 x 3                             >> Had my oly shoes on for these. Felt weird and unnatural.
335 x 1                             >> I also didn't do them last workout so of course my strength drops instantly.
385 x 2

Calf Raise Machine
405 x 15 PR

I was feeling great throughout the day and couldn't wait to lift. Before I got there I started feeling crappy though. Then I realized it was a de-load day... thank goodness. I don't know if I'll be able to squat 385x3 next workout. But you know what... I felt like absolute crap and I was able to squat 380x3 without a hype up. Last workout I had no motivation and did it too. So I can do 380x3 consistently even when not in the mood for lifting... that means something :)

I think I will throw in an extra lifting day on Saturday where I just work up to a 385x1 squat, and 245x1 bench. Also throw in some RDL's because I missed them last workout. The extra frequency has always helped me in the past. I especially need it for the RDL's.

I also recorded my third SVJ. I'll upload a vid of it soon.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: weight vests
« on: January 29, 2016, 12:30:14 am »
Ive always wanted to try out a weightvest, especially while playing basketball. I remember reading about weightbelts being better as they dont affect your posture. Also the weight is centered near your center of gravity, so movements arent affected either. Thats the idea at least.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Two Hands Two Feet
« on: January 29, 2016, 12:28:12 am »
Check out Sefuliuuuilah's log too.
Lately ive also been trying to post in other peoples logs more instead of just checking in my own log. Its always nice when i see a post or a +1 in my log. So i should do the same for you guys!


Coges whats your current plan? Hows your training structured?

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