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Quote from: Joe on February 02, 2018, 06:29:26 am

02-02-18

Morning BW: 71.8kg [lol! didn't adjust eating to the fact that I did barely any training Tues-Thur, alas]

Workout

Chins
BW x 5
+10 x 3
+20 x 1
+30 x 1, 1
+20 x 2, 2

Pullups
BW x 10, 9

Reverse Lunge
+40 x 8 [left knee not liking this, was fine when it was the "working leg" but when it was the leg going back, i.e. on reps w/ right leg, it was unhappy with the shear, blarg]

OHP
Bar x 5
30 x 5
40 x 5, 5, 5

V-Bar Cable Row
54 x 14, 13

Dips
BW x 16, 12, 8

Hammer Curls
14 x 10, 8, 6
8 x 16

Notes

Upper back actually not feeling fully recovered from Monday, surprisingly. Bit peeved about this knee thing. I think I will, perhaps foolishly, go for a run this evening and see how it fares. It was fine running on Wednesday. Perhaps the issue was not building into the reverse lunge at that load, but idk. Maybe it's fine with running for now but I ought to avoid loaded stuff for a bit. We'll see...

with the knee thing, i'd have run before the lifting personally. ie, if it feels fine during that run: good. Then being extra warmed up etc for the lift, could help. But, the other way around, could be much more intense -> fatiguing it/exacerbating it with the lunges, the running later, could be too much inflam.

so imho, i wouldn't run tonight.. maybe walk instead, dno. and next time run before your lifts? immediately before or a few hours before etc?

also, cut out any lifts/depth that aggravate it. So, no rev lunges, maybe only forward lunges or stepups (low box (12") first, higher box (18") if that's ok) etc.

pc!

I agree w/ you pretty much, haha. I would generally prefer to run in morning and lift in the evening (I feel faster in morn and stronger in the eve, anyway!) but the gym gets worse as the day goes on, so on lifting days I've opted for this order. So I run like 8 hours after the lifting sesh (days are unfortunately not structured to allow me to do them both in one big sesh).

And yeah, I think you're probably right about not running later, but I just really want to run, haha.

Edit: but yeah, I will just take more time off here. Frustrating but sensible.

31-01-18

Morning BW: N/A

Workout

Run w/ GF -- 2.93mi in 34:06 [11:38 pace]

Notes

Taking it super easy for the knee. Avg HR in low 130s. Knee feels fine. Still shall take tmrw off. No need to be pushy about anything here. GF is in good shape, she was at a conversational pace for this too and doesn't run regularly, though she does exercise. Gonna try to convince her to run more. 

30-01-18

Morning BW: 70.7kg

Notes

Sore upper back and glutes. Area around knee a bit tender from massage, as I was warned. Feels better overall, though. Should be easy to rest today, haha.

nice session. I need to try and win this OAC challenge tho.

nice move on the lunges. i've been thinking of bringing them back too starting this week, been feeling like my legs are "weak" for a while now. Not doing my really focused speed sessions had made them feel more week, so i'm bringing those back (probably on Thursday), but i'd also like to add some high volume lunges back in. But, not going to go nuts on lunges right out of the gate & give myself 7-day soreness, going to work into them slowly .. i'll try and be smart for once.

curious to see how you like that deep tissue massage. I've personally never liked them, but I did have some back issues long ago (~2005 or so?) that some specialist dug deep into, seemed to help a bit iirc.

peace!!

oh shit, it's on! I saw your big bodyweight session in you're log, looks like you're gonna be taking this seriously. Lucky for me I'm still a fair bit fatter than you, haha, so if I can sort that I'll have a good lead on ya.

Lunges were really fun! I think as I adapt I will just have one day with squats and one day with lunges. Doing leg strength only once a week seems not quite frequently enough, so having two sessions seems sensible. I remember your epic rooftop walking lunges, those were awesome. Probably, yeah, a good idea to wait a bit on going in on those again.

Massage was good! Knee felt a bit better and just getting worked on pretty hard all over was great. Might keep it in the back pocket in case I feel the need for it again since it wasn't too expensive.

Shit man, that's huge! 

it's super interesting, pretty much all your running has been pretty gentle but you were able to turn on the jets pretty significantly for the race. pretty impressed with 20:40!

Hah, yeah, this has been something I've been reflecting about since the race. The two pace calculators I've looked at (one based on Jack Daniel's vDot thing: https://runsmartproject.com/calculator/ and the other made by "tinman" of the letsrun forums) both say that given my 5k race time I should have an easy/recovery pace in the high 8mins/mile. But, yeah, as you point out, most of my running has been a lot slower than that. 30-90 seconds slower per mile, in fact.

I think there are a few things at play here. First is that I am trying to be quite cautious to avoid injury as much as possible while building up (a) the skill of running and (b) the specific joint/tendon/stability fitness needed to sustain faster running/more frequent running/more intense "workouts". The second thing that I think is at play in this discrepancy is the subset of running faculties that I have developed well and which I have underdeveloped. I'm pretty strong compared to most runners, since I can definitely still hit a 1.5xBW squat with ease whenever I need to. That strength probably means I can finish well/push proportionately harder when needed. Two more related benefits that I think spending a fair bit of time squatting has reaped me for running are: (1) good resistance to lactate/ability to clear lactate from my legs, since that's more relevant in rep based squatting; and (2) good ability to deal with muscular pain caused by lactic acid buildup, which served me well in the last 500m sprint in the race.

My shitty primary faculties are (a) running economy, which will come with just spending lots of time on my feet over an extended period of months and and (b) aerobic development (ditto). I've never done consistent low-level aerobic work. I think these factors combine to explain why at a shorter distance like the 5k I have the capacity to outperform the times predicted by my "easy running" paces. This also gives me a clear route to improve -- spend an extended time building up that base while not letting my good traits degrade and I should be able to improve pretty rapidly.

Quote from: Joe on January 26, 2018, 10:12:33 am

26-01-18

Morning BW: 71.7kg [that consistency...]

Workout

Jog around, strides, some drills, and more jogging before race, about 1.5mi total

Race - 5k in 20:46.6 [unofficial, according to watch, shall see what the official record says this evening!] 
Splits - 4:15.0, 4:09.2, 4:20.0, 4:12.8, 3:49.6 [watch says the last split was .97km, but the course is licensed as/officially is 5k so I'll take the registry board's word here over my dumb watch]

Jog ~1.5 mi cooldown

Notes

Fuck yes. I was in the B group for people who estimated their finishing time at >22:00. I'd never raced before and my 6:31 mile from a couple of weeks ago led to my 5k time as being an estimated 22:07, so I went with that. Strategy was to just go out at something comfortable between 4:12-24/km [i.e. 21:xx pace]. About 15 people of >200 in the B group went out faster than me, but I'd overtaken about half of them by 1km.

After 2km there were just 5 ahead of me, as far as I could tell [i.e. unless someone was going like <19:30 pace or so]. At 2.5km the guy who had like a 50m lead after 1.5km really dropped off the pace and I snuck past him easily, so there were just two chaps ahead of me. They looked like they were having a hard time. After 2.5km my breathing started to get tougher but I was still fairly comfortable.

My strategy from 2.5km on was just to keep within 10m of the two guys running together who were leading the B group. This was not so tough and at about 3.95km I was within a couple of meters. I had started to breath pretty hard but I thought that with just 1km to go I could push a lot harder, so I blitzed past them. One of them was clearly struggling a lot more than the other. The chap who was doing better of the pair said "fuck, damn" as I passed -- I guess he thought he had the B group in the bag, haha. I pushed pace a little bit here. 4-4.5km pace began around 4:10 and I gradually pushed it to 4:00 flat. Then last minute, when I could see the finish line, I really pushed it. SPM climbed up to 210 and I hit a max pace of 2:44/km, but I probably averaged like 3:15/km or so for the last 45 seconds or so of the race. I wasn't sure where the race actually ended, to be honest. There was a narrow passage made w/ tape that you were funnelled through, and the beginning of it was marked with the 5km sign, so I assume that's where the race finished, but I didn't want to risk it so I kept pushing through to the end of that tunnel, and only hit my watch a couple of strides after it because I was too wiped to attend to that. Will be interesting to see what the official time is.

I was pretty pleased with the strategy. I'm pretty sure I won the B group because there was no one who was clearly in it ahead of me, though I'm not sure. If someone did beat me from the B group then they were seriously sandbagging hard, haha, but I guess I did too in the end, oops. But yeah, I had no concrete idea of what I could hit here beyond "probably 22:00 or so" so I was pretty pleased. I guess that I am probably already in shape to run a bit faster than this, given how much I evidently had left to push with on that last split. I mean if the last km is like 25 seconds faster than the average of the previous 4km then optimal pacing probably saves me some time, but w/e that was the first race. Sick.

Edit: apparently I maintained a sub 4:5x mile pace for the last 25 seconds or so of the race. Decent going after ~4.85k of racing.

Official result has me at 20:40, awesome.

 

Nice work mate. How did you recover from the run after pushing yourself like that?

Lay on the floor for like a 20 seconds panting, got up and started walking home and after 5 minutes started jogging, haha, nothing too special.