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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: The PR's/PB's, videos, pictures, and daily achievements thread
« on: February 12, 2013, 07:09:12 pm »
20 lbs is a big jump in 8 days.
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When I was comparing the styles of jump I was actually reffering to this:Quoteif you want to talk about movement patterns, kingfish's SVJ's are more like a low-bar squat. he leans way over. so do i, although i don't get nearly as high. look:vs comparing your SQUAT styles. I was comparing your JUMPING styles.
From what I understand, you were comparing your squat styles lower in your post (and what you quoted).
The revelance of ball in hand is that he can't armswing his arms from back to forward-up like you can... that might alter the way he jumps (maybe with the ball in hand he has more weight in front of him, loading the quads more like in a front squat).
Shit. I'd mostly forgotten about that. It would certainly explain why I had no energy/fire/whatever. I FELT fine but it very well may have still been affecting me. Thanks LBSS.
If all you care about is two-leg jumping exclusively, then you don't care about hamstring strength other than their function as the antagonists of the quads (having strong hams will allow the quads to express power better).
I think you can get away doing a "leg dominant" low bar squat though... so a similar movement pattern to a high bar squat. Also, a deep low bar squat.
Also, a successful (two leg) jumper is going to be more quad dominant than a sprinter.
You're also more hip dominant than Kingfish. You have your head forward and hips pushed more backwards at 0:31, with your knees barely going over the toes in the deep squat position and also having the heels elevated from the floor, whereas Kingfish has his knees go WAY over the toes and head more "back" and back more vertical in his video at 0:19, with his heels planted on the ground (they do seem to be just 1 inch or so raised off the floor).
kingfish's squat is obviously deeper, more upright and with a farther-forward knee position than mine.
Granted, he jumps with a ball in hand and you're not, but still, something to think about. Quadnation™
I also think the HB vs LB controversy has less meaning than has been assigned to it... for example, one certainly can squat with the bar in a low position and still do a pretty upright, deep squat, that as far as body position would satisfy any Olympic lifting coach. One can also do a HB squat and get quite bent over, I have personally proven that many times! Simply changing the position of the bar on the back doesnt magically change a good exercise to a bad one, or vice versa.

*** Track Workout ***
1) Dynamic Warmup, Leg swings, Fast leg, Skips, Strides
2) 10 Measured overhead backward shot tosses (16lbs, aim to get better at these every workout, do these on a field where you can measure your throw, more than 13 yards is required, getting close to 15 yards is good, close to 17 is very very good).
- Bounding/ Jumping ( choose about 3 of them and also include the running SL vertical jump and REALLY focus on improvement) -
1) 3-6 standing broad jumps
2) 3-6 Depth broad jumps (should go a lot farther on these)
3) 2-3 4 double leg bounds, 8 DL leg bounds (again measure these, hopefully you 4 DL bound is better than 4X standing broad jump)
4) Measured Single leg bounds** (ie LLLL or RRRR)
5) Measured Standing Triple jumps**
6) Running SL vertical jump (3 step, 6 step)
- Running -
1) 3-4 Full effort measured 60m sprints (Hand time will suffice as long as you have a buddy who can provide somewhat repeatable times)
2) Tempo Work (If necessary for fat loss, skip if you do weights following track work)
** Either do these full intensity and try to progress OR if you don't feel like you have the hang of it (ie you go less than 10 yards, or you don't get a full cycle in each leg or can't coordinate the arm swing... Then include them as part of the warmup and drill the form until you have it)
**** Weights/Gym Workout ****
1) Warmup
2) Powerclean or Powersnatch -> work up to a challenging weight for a couple triples
3) Squat. Work up to a challenging but not max single. Do 2-3 sets of 3-5 with 80% of this.
4) Standing Push Press
5) Deadlifts (Optional)
6) Circuit (Here is where you can do RDLs, Calves, Pullups, etc. This stuff is important but your mindset when you come into the gym should be in order of preference: Squat more, Snatch\clean more, push press more/deadlift more. Thinking about much more than this will cause you to lose focus. )
7) Standing vertical jumps/Running vertical jumps [10 each]