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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 31, 2021, 08:40:33 am »
30 January

Didn't feel i was up for another 5K PR attempt. Bailed out. However i did feel i was up for a longer run near-max attempt.

Did 10K @ 54:57  :personal-record: :ibrunning: :personal-record: :ibrunning: :personal-record: :ibrunning:

Chopped off about a minute of my PR, previous was 55:37. To be fair though, that 55:37 was done much easier, today it was pretty close to max, it was much more tiring and not that faster.
Kinda justifies my decision to not run 5K max, it was not a true PR day for me.
Still delighted that i broke the 55 mins / 5:30 pace barrier for 10K

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 29, 2021, 08:05:07 am »
28 January

C1a : STIFF LEG DEADLIFT : 10 @ 25kg
C1b : OVERHEAD PRESS: 12 @ 25kg ( +2 reps )
C1c : BICEP CURLS : 10 @ 25kg
C1d : CHAIR TRICEP DIPS : 12 @ BW ( +2 reps )
C1 info : 8 rounds C1b : ( +1 round )

Good progress, feeling strong.
Wednesday was 7 Beaufort winds ( 50-60 kmh ) so i chickened out from running.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: chasing athleticism
« on: January 29, 2021, 07:59:35 am »
BP 5x90.5, 4x91.5, 4x90.5, 1x100(=PR)

:headbang: :highfive: :strong: :personal-record:

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 27, 2021, 04:09:20 am »
26 January

ATG PAUSED SQUAT:
5x10 @ 25kg , tempo 3:2:1 ( was 4x10 / 2:1:1 )

SS1a : PUSHUPS : 12 @ BW ( +2 reps )
SS1b : BENT OVER ROWS : 10 @ 25 kg ( +2 reps )
SS1 info : 6 rounds ( was 5 rounds )

Good progress. Form ultra strict at all sets and reps, gonna keep that.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 26, 2021, 04:04:16 am »
25 January

2.7K warm up
TIME TRIAL 3K : 13:56 ,  :personal-record: ( 4:34 / 4:47 / 4:35 )
3.6K cool down

TOTAL 9.35K @ 1:03:07

Was again aiming for 4:30 average but didn't have it in me. Did chop 10 seconds off my 3K PR though so can't complain.
I am eyeing Sunday for another 5K virtual race attempt.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 24, 2021, 07:32:27 am »
22 January

Long slow run 12K @ 1:17:54

Was targeting 6:30 average pace, got 6:29 , impressed by that accuracy!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 22, 2021, 03:36:29 am »
21 Jamuary

C1a : STIFF LEG DEADLIFT : 10 @ 25kg
C1b : OVERHEAD PRESS: 10 @ 25kg ( -5 reps )
C1c : BICEP CURLS : 10 @ 25kg
C1d : CHAIR TRICEP DIPS : 10 @ BW ( -5 reps )
C1 info : 7 rounds ( -1 round )

Last time i did this workout was 23 Dec 2020.
Biceps were surprisingly strong, maybe better than before, everything else a little rusty.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 21, 2021, 03:37:12 am »
20 January

Recovery ultra slow run 6K @ 51:23

Squats after almost a month Monday followed by HIIT Tuesday annihilated my legs.
Went out and forced a horribly slow workout, barely faster than walking, plus actual walking on all uphills. Mentally handled this as a needed recovery exercise. Like you have to endure a cryotherapy or idk what, ultra boring slow is the same, you dont have to like it, you just have to do it. Worked nice :)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 20, 2021, 04:16:21 am »
19 January

"VO2 max" workout

1K warmup
SPRINT 6x800m / 3.5 minutes walking recovery
1.5K cool down

Total 8.5K @ 58:21

Target pace is around 4:30 for flat course / 4:55 for this default up and down course i am using.

I got 4:32 / 4:25 / 4:52 / 4:43 / 4:50 / 4:39 , all those were buffered, nice!

This VO2max workout suggests bigger breaks , 4 to 6 minutes slow jog , something like 1:1 run/rest time. I will try this next time, should be able to push more.

Also this was done at 0 Celsius degrees (32F) with strong wind, feels like was -4 , ( 25F ).

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 19, 2021, 03:10:33 am »
18 January

ATG PAUSED SQUAT:
10 @ BW
4x10 @ 25kg , tempo 2:1:1 ( was 6x10 / 3:2:1 )

SS1a : PUSHUPS : 10 @ BW ( was 15 to 18 )
SS1b : BENT OVER ROWS : 10 @ 25 kg  ( was 15 to 18 )
SS1 info : 5 rounds ( was 7 rounds )

Dat perfect form and ROM everywhere when you restart so you don't care for progress. Gotta stick with it, not let the more-reps-chase ruin it.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 17, 2021, 06:49:44 am »
Thanks, good points.
I am not worried about my heart. I am just trying to figure this out, it seems unnatural that very slow running brings HR at almost the same level as intense effort. Run-efficiency-wise, not health-wise.
I am a bit shamed to admit that i guess the most frustrating factor is... the watch coach. It uses solely HR to understand the workout intensity, so the low/medium/high effort balance an therefore general progress plan is always screwed. I can get over it , but i would love it if i didn't have to, if i had it actively coaching me. But that is a pitfall that i kinda fell last spring too, i get trapped into doing too slow workouts and i am missing the effect of the 'normal' and 'slow but not too slow' long runs.
FWIW , i did think of accuracy, i hand-measured HR last time both at highs and at lows and it was accurate. But who knows, maybe wrist movement adds noise so during-run-measurements are off. As for max HR, the 220-age formula gives around 175 but 182 is the max measurement i ever got, from the watch and with hand-check. Not sure that maximum measured HR is the actual 100% though.
Anyway, as you and the articles say, the hell with the watch coach and HR. If it feels easy, it is easy. Maybe less or more easy than targeted, but easy. Talking tests are good and im using them at the slow runs already. Plus the recent race time based training pace calculators, which actually agree with feels. I know my max 5K is 24:00 so i have adjective data. I will keep doing my thing, weekly plan 1 normal around 60m , 1 long slow about 1:30/1:45 and one HIIT. I do want to add a 4th weekly running day , so maybe use this for 'recovery', 45 minutes @ horribly boring slow, almost double race pace, see what happens.
Amen.

In other news:
-Virtual race deadline has been expanded to 31 January, so i get another chance. Currently placing in top 30 of 200, all genders and ages. If i do 23-ish i get in top 20 & top 10%.
-Weather went off, we have snow, below freezing temperatures, intense winds, rain, hail etc. Forced derail for a few days. Time to start lifting again.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 15, 2021, 04:28:01 am »
14 January

Ultra slow recovery run 10K @ 1:17:45

HELP, someone read this in detail!!!!
So i was wrecked from the time trial PR , wanted to do a really low impact run. Training pace calculator says long run pace should be in the 6:08 to 6:53 range.
I thought that going around 7:00 or a little slower would have me at sub-aerobic HR. Right ? WRONG! I was going awfully slow but HR kept rising over 150. I had to walk for 100-200m to bring it to 130, then jog again. That kept repeating, even when the jogging pace was horrifically slow, 8:00 to 8:30.
Around 5K i was fed up with that, decided to turn this to a pace/HR test.
Did 1km at 5K race pace, not all out. That landed at 4:50 with an average heart rate of 155.
Then walked for 3 minutes which lowered HR to 120 ( was down to 140 in 90 seconds ).
Then never looked at watch again, did 3.5K at a "long -really-slow" run pace. It landed at 7:00-7:30 but with 150-ish HR.

Here is the complete matrix:

RUNNING          PACE     AVERAGE HR   MAX HR
Steady slow      7:11          142              158
Slow+walk        8:00          145              159
Slow+walk        8:23          143              152
Slow+walk        8:42          138              153
Slow+walk        8:55          139              152   
5K race pace    4:52           156              165
Steady slow     7:40           151              164
Steady slow     7:41           152              165
Steady slow     7:00           153              165
Steady slow     7:30           150              159

WTF is that??? How do those numbers add up?
Last jog+walk km before the 5K race pace km was 8:55 pace!!!! That is not even jogging speed, is is walking and rather slow. And yet it was 139 average HR with 152 max.
And then the last slow 3.5K were essentially the same HR with the 1K @ race pace, despite them being 60%effort ( 4:50 vs 7:40 ).

150bpm may seem low to you but it is not for me, my 100% HR is now about 182 or so. 150 bpm is 82% max, it is intense aerobic.
Or isn't it?  Is there a minimum threshold? Like you start running, bam , 145, and then your VO2max capacity determines how faster you can go or something like that?
Enlighten me please because i am awfully frustrated...

Edit:
Some really good answers/points in here : https://medium.com/runners-life/how-slow-is-slow-7431bb7cc029
  • Ideal slow pace HR for me is around 135, watch agrees, the green zone is 130 to 140
  • HR is not the decisive matter. "easy" feel is more important. But in any case 155 / 85%max is not easy
  • True truly slow is indeed boring AF , nearly impossible, almost double race pace so about 9:00 for me
  • Too long runs are not recovery, even if very slow, distance takes over speed

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 13, 2021, 04:02:18 am »
Agree , but can't really quantify how strong those negatives where, because of the wind. I was on a negative split strategy though, it seems to work better for me than positive or neutral.
But i do think i can do better, because i am now convinced that this was like a downhill-uphill race, stategy and reserves linearity destroyed by the 2.5K 'uphill' start.

Here is the pace graph. Look at the reverse point that i circled. The difference is huge, that is no reserves, that is the wind changing from head to tail.


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 12, 2021, 03:20:18 pm »
12 January 2020

~2K warmup ( including dynamic warmup and strides )

VIRTUAL RACE 5K TIME TRIAL : 24:09 , "official"  :personal-record: :ibrunning: :personal-record: :ibrunning: :personal-record: :ibrunning:

2K ultra slow cool down

Awesome. I have a 23:42 time trial logged but it was not Garmin, GPS went off that day so i had to guestimate the exact distance.
This one today was done on a pre-measured course on google maps, with which Garmin tracking agreed with absolute precision, both about the 2.5K turning point and the finish which was exactly where i started, less than 5m deviation. That is why i log it as 'official'. Previous best official 5K time was 25:18.

It was pretty windy, 15 to 20 kmh, that was head wind for half the race and tail wind for the other half. I suppose that just like uphill and downhill, the fact that head/tail wind distances break even doesn't mean it equals a no-wind time. The first half was so frustrating, i was struggling to preserve a pace around 5:00. But i knew it was the wind and stayed patient. Then i turned around and bam, turbo boost despite the fatigue.

Splits: 4:57 / 5:11 / 4:52 / 4:40 / 4:27

If weather goes well and it is not windy on Friday and i feel recovered, i may attempt to improve on that. If not, still delighted!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: January 10, 2021, 12:18:59 pm »
Weather is whack, not happy with frequency/volume lately. Also it will be raining all weekend so now i am targeting Monday for my virtual race.

https://www.meteo.gr/cf-en.cfm?city_id=1

 :pokerface: :ffffffuuuuuu: :raging: :gtfo:

So Monday and Tuesday now look very moist, they will have good mild temperatures but very small not-raining windows and also 90-ish RH all day. Its a no.
Wednesday it all changes, north winds kick in, they will clear the skies, they will dry the air but they will also bring freezing temperatures and they will be be constantly blowing at 25kmh (18mph). Thursday even worse, wind speeds at 35kmh(22mph). Friday the winds get easier but it will be freezing all day. And that is the last day i can register a time too. FML

Dunno, I'll probably do another 'tapering' run tomorrow or Tuesday ( thinking a shortened version of last run, a pace between long slow and easy for 8-10K with a max 1K in the middle ), then do the race on Friday mid-day so the sun makes up for the cold.
OR , if i see a dry window tomorrow do the race, rest 3 days and repeat Friday.
We will see.

FUCK you very much Mr weather!!!


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