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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: The GUILT/SCARE you into going/staying vegan thread
« on: February 10, 2018, 07:22:05 pm »I stay away from any meat that involves an animal going through any suffering of any sort.
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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: The GUILT/SCARE you into going/staying vegan thread
« on: February 10, 2018, 07:21:52 pm »I think you're right about there being no good reason to support the meat industry. It's just what people do because it doesn't require going against the grain and taking on the personal burden of such a big issue.
It's definitely something I will consider more seriously when I'm older, living on my own and have sorted out other things in my life.
I like the idea of hunting. Giving an animal (what can be called) a natural life cycle death and hunting ethically where animals are in overpopulation, possibly damaging to the environment makes sense to me. Many animals hunt and I'm sure some previous generations of humans were really reliant on that too.
I could never hunt, but that's a great point.
Once in my life, I shot an animal (bird) with a pellet gun (when I was like 12?) .. Maybe I just wanted to see how it felt. I cried myself and still look back on it with shame. I never did anything like that ever again. Not an ounce of joy/fun from that moment. If I had to kill animals for food, I wouldn't. I can deal with unfertalized hen/chicken eggs and such, no problem. But killing an animal, impossible for me, except in self defense. But that's a completely different scenario.
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What do you all think about the argument that the individual cannot make any real change with such a big issue? This is the argument I would make normally against going vegan, but lately I feel a need to be responsible for things I care about even if it doesn't make a huge difference.
I also don't want to be overwhelmed with the amount of things I do that support activities I don't agree with. Shopping at walmart, eating mcdonalds, not picking up trash etc. This girl I know literally takes it upon herself to pick up trash in the city on the way home from work. I can't dedicate my whole life to avoiding contributing to big problems..
that girl is a boss.
my Mom used to do stuff like that. She also taught me early not to litter and such, just simple things. Then, when you're with coworkers or friends and they litter, it's like a "bombshell", or at least that's how it feels to me. I mean I try to be nice about it, like no dude i'll throw that out etc.. but it's interesting what kind of feelings it creates, almost like a little "stab". That's probably how people feel when they grow up with parents who teach them how to eat "more ethically" (or vegan) etc. ie, it's hard to acquire that kind of "visceral reaction" to something late in life, i've found. When it's engrained in you since a young age, it's a completely different experience.
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And where would I draw the line? I don't think killing rats is morally wrong. I'm not sure how I feel about killing a rabbit.
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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: The GUILT/SCARE you into going/staying vegan thread
« on: February 10, 2018, 07:14:53 pm »As far as I can see it there is literally no ethical argument for eating meat... unless you truly believe animals are not sentinent...I think future humans will look back on what we've done to animals the last few 100 (1000?) years in disgust, they won't be able to even fathom how we could be so cruel and selfish.
I think that there's no good ethical reason for eating meat even if you don't care about animal welfare. Meat production is terrible for the environment and going veggie is one of the easiest ways to make a positive environmental impact.
yup! good points.
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adarq vegsquad nice
one day adarqui will join adarq vegsquad :/
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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: The GUILT/SCARE you into going/staying vegan thread
« on: February 10, 2018, 07:13:53 pm »uh, nice thread.
i've been vegetarian (lacto/ovo) for years now. I think one day i'll make the switch to vegan. I became a vegetarian because I believed animals were sentinent and it was selfish of me to endorse the suffering that meat comes along with AND i figured I could meet all my nutritional needs being veggie easily - which i can. Now the jumpt veganism is a lot more difficult in terms of organising your nutrition, getting adequate protein, b12, iron etc but its 100% possible. So thus now my laziness (and love of cheese) is more important to me than animal suffering.
You introduced me to the whole lacto-ovo stuff a while back, I haven't done much research in this area. I'm trying to become more ovo-vegan but, it's rough. I definitely have to cut out milk/cheese as much as possible, it definitely impacts how I feel/cramp for running. 100%.
As for chicken, I just still crave it. I've had it several times recently and it feels like it "really helps".
As for whey, I don't feel like it helps at all. Eggs/Chicken yes, Whey no. There's just a major difference in how I feel/think when I cut out animal products. I literally become more depressed etc, it's interesting -> I also get erm.. ED & such. Once I add back eggs or chicken, boom i'm ok again.
So, right now i'm trying to cut out meat completely, and chicken for the most part. As for eggs, i'm trying to make those my "main source", ie ~4 eggs ~5d/wk. It's incredible how strong I feel when I eat eggs. Which is something I also noticed back when I dunked. I used to eat LOTS of eggs & bananas. Just seems to work great for me.
I also feel very strong when I eat red meat/steak & such too .. but, sometimes it can wreck my stomach similar to milk/dairy, just weighs me down. AND, i'd like to cut that source out so..
octo-(occasional-poultry)-vegan :/
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also i was so obsessed with eating meat to get my protein a few years back but even if you couldn't meet your 'protein requirements' for the physique/athletic ability you desire....you're still putting your ability to be strong or jump higher or look good and get girls above animal suffering...kinda fucked.
ya that's an interesting thought, which I got several times recently & it bugged me. I thought about it alot after I ate those full rack of ribs basically two days in a row after my ultra relay. It really bothered me.
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I'm SUPER excited for lab grown meat, its gonna revolutionise this whole thing. SURELY it's easier to make lab grown milk/whey than it is to make meat though?
I know there are lots of vegan options out there now. maybe when I will have more money and can convince myself through that I will go vegan or at least consume way less/more ethical dairy.
The US definitely seems worse than the UK/eu in terms of mass production farming too.
if you're gunna eat meat hunting wild meat is the most ethical, but thats just not gonna become mainstream anytime soon and the numbers just dont work
As far as I can see it there is literally no ethical argument for eating meat... unless you truly believe animals are not sentinent...I think future humans will look back on what we've done to animals the last few 100 (1000?) years in disgust, they won't be able to even fathom how we could be so cruel and selfish.
gah no hate to all the meat eaters on here hahaha --- that got pretty ranty, but just been thinking about this a lot recently
good stuff!
also as far as strength/power/physique go, you've proven lacto-ovo-vegan works well!
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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / Re: The Misc Running News Thread
« on: February 10, 2018, 07:01:12 pm »
Man.. Cheserek can run. This dude is insane.
A day after his "2nd best in the world" indoor mile, he just won the 3000m easily.
incredible.
A day after his "2nd best in the world" indoor mile, he just won the 3000m easily.
incredible.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Party's Over!
« on: February 10, 2018, 06:34:54 pm »
fawk. I hate contact sports. Everyone on here who still does contact sports ends up getting wrecked at some point. :/ I've had so many injuries from contact sports.
hope you're back to normal soon.
hope you're back to normal soon.
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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / Re: The Misc Running News Thread
« on: February 10, 2018, 06:20:41 pm »
amazing finish to the Women's 1500m, WOW. Praught-Leer and McDonald, incredible. Even tho McDonald got 5th, she helped bring the pack back up to the Ethiopians. Incredible.
Also, Jenna Westaway is so legit. Won the women's 800m. A clip of her training with Eke (a man) heh:
flying.
Also, Jenna Westaway is so legit. Won the women's 800m. A clip of her training with Eke (a man) heh:
flying.
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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / Re: Misc Running Photos
« on: February 10, 2018, 02:49:40 pm »
cool jersey on Kamworor
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Track & Field / Re: Track & Field News
« on: February 10, 2018, 01:35:07 pm »
NB indoor championships today @ 5 PM ET on NBC Sports:
http://www.nbindoorgrandprix.com/events-results/
http://www.nbindoorgrandprix.com/events-results/
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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / Re: Misc Running Photos
« on: February 10, 2018, 01:13:17 pm »
epic shot
Cheserek seeing his 3:49.44
Cheserek seeing his 3:49.44
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Basketball / Re: A WHOLE BUNCH OF DUNKS AND SHIT.
« on: February 10, 2018, 11:56:20 am »<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukhl05r1VFQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukhl05r1VFQ</a>
weird but sick, haha.
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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: February 10, 2018, 11:52:23 am »
long run workout day!!
still have a slight cold.
cool shots (IMHO) during cooldown:
02/10/2018
bw = 145
bw before bed last night = ?
soreness = none
aches/injuries = none
cramping = none
morning quad flexibility = loose
morning hamstring flexibility = loose
morning calf flexibility = loose
feel = good
hours sleep: 8!!
wakeup = 04:50 AM (no alarm!!)
log:
05:00 AM: medicine
05:00 AM: food: oatmeal + tons of honey + pink sea salt, salted caramel GU (40 mg caffeine) - woke me up a bit
06:15 AM: workout:
watch failure + slight cold: group run @ Markham Park: 4.5 mi warmup, (3,3,2) mi w/ 0.5 mi jog rest @ {6:17, 6:15, 6:16} + {6:19, 6:19, 7:05 (cramp life)} + {6:23, 6:37}, cooldown miles (cramp life again) ::: GREAT SESSION!! Also: TEAMWORK.
08:30 AM: food: rxbar, water
09:30 AM: food: protein + almond milk, banana, peach green tea, water
02:00 PM: food: whole foods: tons of orange chicken, mac & cheese, jalapeno chips, black tea
02:40 PM: food: 2 peanutbutter cups from WF
05:00 PM: medicine
05:00 PM: food: 2 x banana, sourdough rye
08:00 PM: medicine
08:20 PM: food: almond milk, banana
08:30 PM: leg drain: 30 minutes
workout: watch failure + slight cold: group run @ Markham Park: 4.5 mi warmup, (3,3,2) mi w/ 0.5 mi jog rest @ {6:17, 6:15, 6:16} + {6:19, 6:19, 7:05 (cramp life)} + {6:23, 6:37}, cooldown miles (cramp life again) ::: GREAT SESSION!! Also: TEAMWORK.
unrecoverable error on my watch, need to reformat it! lame! last workout listed is "wednesday".
basically the same splits as Andrea except for miles 6 and 8, so that's the data I used for my numbers (and I recall them being that as well).
drank a small gatorade after the first 3 miles .. wrecked my stomach. battled cramps for 2 miles then just gave in for the third. drank water after that and it fixed it.
first 3 miles felt so good/effortless. Need to keep building this aerobic engine.
this was the last hard session before my (first) half marathon next sunday.. so now it's basically deload time.
also lost 7 lb. of water according to the scale, and that's with hydration during/post (before re-weighing) hEHeHEEH.
This week it's:
- Tuesday: w/u, easy ~10+ miles
- Thursday: w/u, 2 miles @ HM pace, and some speed at the end, c/d
- Sunday: A1A half marathon!
^^ watch errors suck
the group I ran with:
- 2:3X-2:5X marathoners
- 4:12 miler, 1:11 half marathoner
- 15:XX-16:XX 5k'rs etc
FAST group. A few of the dominant local runners. pretty cool.
runlikeagirl update: she destroyed this workout, which is awesome because she had 2 "bad days" this week (tues/thurs). So this workout is going to give her some serious confidence going into the A1A half marathon. The guy who organized the session (a really serious local runner with some insane stats), said she's going to destroy A1A based on this performance. I agree & I hope so.
IMHO, she's competing for top 3 women in any race she goes in. A1A is historically very fast, even for women. But, she's right there. She's also not too far from the "elite groups" that race down here, in the half & full marathons.
Miami Marathon 2018 elite women standards:
- 2:45+
- #3 elite came in at 2:53:50
- Andrea is 2:57:XX for New York
Miami Half Marathon 2018 elite women standards:
- 1:20+
- #3 elite came in at 1:19:51
- Andrea is 1:24:XX and probably lower now, 1:22:XX in good weather)
She was breathing a bit hard during the first 3 miles .. which (in my head) I was worried about. Because I was breathing fine, felt very easy to me. So was hoping she wouldn't bail out/have a bad day again. Plus she only got 4 hours sleep.
Her splits for the 3,3,2:
6:17, 6:15, 6:16
6:19, 6:17, 6:17
6:19, 6:13
beast mode.
We both had a small gatorade after the first 3 miles, and it affected both of us, me more so. But the lesson is, just water. Her stomach felt messed up from it and mine went into full cramp mode.
good2know.
edit: also, she doesn't sweat.. wtf? everyone was drenched, and she was barely sweating....... wtf??????? I asked her and she said, "ya i don't sweat"... wtf?!?! 
still have a slight cold.
cool shots (IMHO) during cooldown:
02/10/2018
bw = 145
bw before bed last night = ?
soreness = none
aches/injuries = none
cramping = none
morning quad flexibility = loose
morning hamstring flexibility = loose
morning calf flexibility = loose
feel = good
hours sleep: 8!!
wakeup = 04:50 AM (no alarm!!)
log:
05:00 AM: medicine
05:00 AM: food: oatmeal + tons of honey + pink sea salt, salted caramel GU (40 mg caffeine) - woke me up a bit
06:15 AM: workout:
watch failure + slight cold: group run @ Markham Park: 4.5 mi warmup, (3,3,2) mi w/ 0.5 mi jog rest @ {6:17, 6:15, 6:16} + {6:19, 6:19, 7:05 (cramp life)} + {6:23, 6:37}, cooldown miles (cramp life again) ::: GREAT SESSION!! Also: TEAMWORK.08:30 AM: food: rxbar, water
09:30 AM: food: protein + almond milk, banana, peach green tea, water
02:00 PM: food: whole foods: tons of orange chicken, mac & cheese, jalapeno chips, black tea
02:40 PM: food: 2 peanutbutter cups from WF
05:00 PM: medicine
05:00 PM: food: 2 x banana, sourdough rye
08:00 PM: medicine
08:20 PM: food: almond milk, banana
08:30 PM: leg drain: 30 minutes
workout:
watch failure + slight cold: group run @ Markham Park: 4.5 mi warmup, (3,3,2) mi w/ 0.5 mi jog rest @ {6:17, 6:15, 6:16} + {6:19, 6:19, 7:05 (cramp life)} + {6:23, 6:37}, cooldown miles (cramp life again) ::: GREAT SESSION!! Also: TEAMWORK.unrecoverable error on my watch, need to reformat it! lame! last workout listed is "wednesday".
basically the same splits as Andrea except for miles 6 and 8, so that's the data I used for my numbers (and I recall them being that as well).
drank a small gatorade after the first 3 miles .. wrecked my stomach. battled cramps for 2 miles then just gave in for the third. drank water after that and it fixed it.
first 3 miles felt so good/effortless. Need to keep building this aerobic engine.
this was the last hard session before my (first) half marathon next sunday.. so now it's basically deload time.
also lost 7 lb. of water according to the scale, and that's with hydration during/post (before re-weighing) hEHeHEEH.
This week it's:
- Tuesday: w/u, easy ~10+ miles
- Thursday: w/u, 2 miles @ HM pace, and some speed at the end, c/d
- Sunday: A1A half marathon!
^^ watch errors suck
the group I ran with:
- 2:3X-2:5X marathoners
- 4:12 miler, 1:11 half marathoner
- 15:XX-16:XX 5k'rs etc
FAST group. A few of the dominant local runners. pretty cool.
runlikeagirl update: she destroyed this workout, which is awesome because she had 2 "bad days" this week (tues/thurs). So this workout is going to give her some serious confidence going into the A1A half marathon. The guy who organized the session (a really serious local runner with some insane stats), said she's going to destroy A1A based on this performance. I agree & I hope so.
IMHO, she's competing for top 3 women in any race she goes in. A1A is historically very fast, even for women. But, she's right there. She's also not too far from the "elite groups" that race down here, in the half & full marathons.
Miami Marathon 2018 elite women standards:
- 2:45+
- #3 elite came in at 2:53:50
- Andrea is 2:57:XX for New York
Miami Half Marathon 2018 elite women standards:
- 1:20+
- #3 elite came in at 1:19:51
- Andrea is 1:24:XX and probably lower now, 1:22:XX in good weather)
She was breathing a bit hard during the first 3 miles .. which (in my head) I was worried about. Because I was breathing fine, felt very easy to me. So was hoping she wouldn't bail out/have a bad day again. Plus she only got 4 hours sleep.
Her splits for the 3,3,2:
6:17, 6:15, 6:16
6:19, 6:17, 6:17
6:19, 6:13
beast mode.
We both had a small gatorade after the first 3 miles, and it affected both of us, me more so. But the lesson is, just water. Her stomach felt messed up from it and mine went into full cramp mode.
good2know.
edit: also, she doesn't sweat.. wtf? everyone was drenched, and she was barely sweating....... wtf??????? I asked her and she said, "ya i don't sweat"... wtf?!?!
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800m+ Running and/or Conditioning / Re: Misc Running Photos
« on: February 10, 2018, 11:08:50 am »
the shot before the celebration above (by dettman):
so good.. Ross Dettman & Dan Vernon are my top running photographers right now .. they just capture something "Extra" in many of their shots. Dan Vernon has a very intense vibe too, which I love.
so good.. Ross Dettman & Dan Vernon are my top running photographers right now .. they just capture something "Extra" in many of their shots. Dan Vernon has a very intense vibe too, which I love.