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Yeah, doing anything other than maybe some hip flexor training like leg raises etc with ankle weights is not smart in my opinion. However, the same applies to pulling on the pedals while on the bike - it just pulls the tibia away from the femur/knee/whatever. It would kill my knee.

By the way - in terms of calf training - what loads and rep ranges would you use for calf raises for both mass and strength gains? Would you go with something like 30-50 x bodyweight or 10-15 x heavy weight (barbell/dumbbells)? In other words - do you think they respond better at higher reps and lower intensities (loads) or lower reps and heavier loads?

In my experience, I've never had calf growth from calf raises, using either load intensity and volume. Instead, the best things for calf growth I have found were high plyo work like sprints and jumps. If that is true, then both extremely heavy loads (as those that occur in jumps and sprints) and high volumes (as those that occur in jumps and sprints) are necessary for calf growth and strength increases.

Interesting, indeed. It's similar to a MSEM, with the exception that MSEM is much lower in volume usually and it's geared towards heavy weights.

All the high jumpers I know half squat. I've never ever seen them full squat for as long as I've gone to the track. Now I don't know if they built their strength over time with full squats and then went with half squats for specialization/specificity, but even those that are weak half squat. Probably because of structure.

They all use high bar though and narrow stance.

Yeah that's why I said "if you can do full squats safely", because it pretty much depends on structure. By the way, do you feel like you improved on your "bounce (rebound)" at a half squat depth, or is a bounce in there at all?

Why do you think a rebounds is easier at full vs. at half? (meaning - to what do you attribute the existance of rebound anyway)?

Why would there be differences? I understand than in a running VJ there are forward vectors of movement that determine different loads on different muscles than in a simple, stationary squat, but other than that? Maybe the fact that in a squat you stop at the top and not fully extend and leave the ground as in a jump, hence the hip extension (or hyperextension) part doesn't occur.

And yeah, I know what you say Andrew. You're basically choosing the same point in squat to go up as a VJ would have (at least for you). So basically it's repeating the same ROM, with the coupling phase in the squat occuring at the same depth as it would occur in the VJ (functional training).

But then you say

"so going deep is more of the quads not being able to do their job, which, at that depth, is of course not there job, it's the glutes job"

If that's true, then maybe we need to focus more on the quads so that they ARE able to to their job, so you bend less in a jump, spend less time on the ground, and all the positive influence these things have on a VJ. If that's true, then you're always going to be limited by the quads, since you don't need the glutes as much if any when you barely bend to 1/4 when you jump.

Well yeah, adarq.org has become a place where some retarded kids make fun of my name posting with anonymous nicknames and think that's so cool and funny. And that's lame as shit. People act like I'm a troll or something, or act like I'm doing "yo mama" jokes with people that I don't know. Then they somehow feel "superior" like they're "teaching me how to behave like a grown-up" while they act like silly little retards.

It would've been even if it wasn't me the target of these so called "attacks". I should know better than to care about this and I will limit my actions to discuss stuff that is really interesting and post in my log, and that's it. It was wasted time anyway so I actually should be greatful about that.

So, I understand what JON is saying, yet considering the current conditions, I don't give a shit anymore.

Quote from: Raptor on February 21, 2011, 05:24:37 pm

Kelly, have you ever done or prescribed very heavy iso calf raises on the top of the movement? Like, hold for 30s with a 200 kg barbell on the back etc?.

Or how about seated iso calf raises?.

Those would pretty much target the soleus...

No, I can't. I live in Romania. It's complicated here with cards and bands and stuff. I don't know any sports store that has bands for training by the way. And I don't think the powerjumper is deliverable in Romania, I think Jack Woodrup sent me the powerjumper himself or something like that.

And by the way, when I said "in the one-leg jump ROM" I meant - with the knee bent 20-26 degrees, so not in the full hip extension. I'd like to overload my amortization phase isometric position, which is knee and hip a little bent.