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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: April 25, 2016, 04:46:10 pm »
Week 109
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Monday - 04/25/16

-= Workout Log =-

ATG Squat
135 x 12                         >> True max attempt. Nearly failed.
135 x 8                           >> What really surprises me though, is the speed on the 225's. It's freaky!
185 x 5
225 x 3
275 x 1
315 x 1
365 x 1
405 x 1
455 x 1

Bench Press
45 x 20                            >> 2min rest.
95 x 12                            >> Fried.
135 x 5
185 x 3
225 x 1
245 x 3
225 x 3

Calf Raise Machine
495 x 8

-= Study Log =-

Mike Myers Network+ Exam Guide
Finished Chapter 21 of 21

FlashCards Deluxe - Chapter Notes
Chapter 21 notes done (33 cards)

FlashCards Deluxe - Quiz Questions
Learned 217 of 217 cards

Finally finished this book. Can't tell you how much my reading comprehension has dropped lately. Unreal how much brain fatigue I was having last week. The past few days I haven't had much at all, though. But I constantly have to re-read things over and over and over again.

Anyway I plan to take my exam Saturday May 7th. Till then I'll be memorizing the rest of the quiz questions I gathered (although at this point its less memorizing and more understanding since I've read the entire book). Then I'll start on the 306 real exam questions I bought online as a last measure to solidify the fact that I'll pass this certification because it costs $285 to take it each time. In the meantime, I'm reviewing all the notes I took on the chapters daily and also doing random practice tests online.

Will lift and edit later.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: April 25, 2016, 04:41:03 pm »
Week 108
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Friday - 04/22/16

-= Workout Log =-

Pull ups
BW x 13                       >> 60sec rests.
BW x 5                         >> Was supposed to start with cable rows but someone was on them.
BW x 4

Lateral Raises
40's x 3                    >> 60sec rests.
45's x 13
45's x 5
45's x 4

Seated Cable Rows
210 x 3
230 x 10
230 x 4

Negative Dragon Flags
5
5

Rear Delt Incline W Flyes
35's x 3
40's x 12

-= Study Log =-

Mike Myers Network+ Exam Guide
Finished Chapter 16 of 21
Finished Chapter 17 of 21

FlashCards Deluxe - Chapter Notes
Chapter 16 notes done (27 cards)
Chapter 17 notes done (33 cards)

FlashCards Deluxe - Quiz Questions
Learned 145 of 283 cards


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Saturday - 04/23/16

-= Study Log =-

Mike Myers Network+ Exam Guide
Finished Chapter 18 of 21
Finished Chapter 19 of 21

FlashCards Deluxe - Chapter Notes
Chapter 18 notes done (20 cards)
Chapter 19 notes done (53 cards)

FlashCards Deluxe - Quiz Questions
Learned 173 of 283 cards


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Sunday - 04/24/16

-= Study Log =-

Mike Myers Network+ Exam Guide
Finished Chapter 20 of 21

FlashCards Deluxe - Chapter Notes
Chapter 20 notes done (22 cards)

FlashCards Deluxe - Quiz Questions
Learned 173 of 283 cards

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: April 23, 2016, 10:49:25 pm »
will update into proper format another time

friday:
lifted
read chapter 16 (27 cards)
read chapter 17 (33 cards)
283 quiz questions learned

saturday:
ead chapter 18 (20 cards)
read chapter 19 (53 cards)
283 quiz questions learned

Sunday:
Read chapter 20 (22 cards)

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: April 22, 2016, 11:06:26 am »
A 5lb weight cut shouldn't really poop on your strength.  Back in the olden days when I was around your weight, I wouldn't notice a drop in strength until i lost around 10-15lbs.

Yeah true. I think I was saying that more because sometimes I feel like I'm stalling hard on my lifts for a while (last week was an exception) so I felt like if I cut down, I would drop strength. It would be cool to keep my theoretical squat max of 455 at a bodyweight of 195. I'd be okay with dropping down even to a 440 max though.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: April 21, 2016, 11:55:30 am »
Week 108
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Thursday - 04/21/16

-= Workout Log =-

ATG Squat
135 x 12
135 x 8
185 x 3                                  >> Wasn't feelin it really. Bad sleep lately and too much brain fatigue.
225 x 3                                  >> At least it's nice to know I can squat 425 on my shittiest day.
275 x 1
315 x 1
375 x 1
425 x 1
395 x 2
345 x 6

Bench Press
45 x 15
95 x 8
135 x 5
185 x 3
225 x 1
245 x 2

-= Study Log =-

Mike Myers Network+ Exam Guide
Finished Chapter 14 of 21
Finished Chapter 15 of 21

FlashCards Deluxe - Chapter Notes
Chapter 14 notes done (51 cards)
Chapter 15 notes done (66 cards)

FlashCards Deluxe - Quiz Questions
Learned 145 of 283 cards

Finished yesterday's chapter. Plan to read a second chapter today. Will lift later. Have to squat 395x5. I'll probably only hit 3 or 4 but ya never know. I seem to squat and bench heavier at my friend's gym, but i'm going to my gym today.

Edit: read another chapter. had a shitty workout 395x2 squats... recorded it. oh well. brain fatigue, slightly sick, bad sleep lately... bad combo for lifting.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CaAKGy922s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CaAKGy922s</a>

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I bet he would become extremely reactive and his ground contact times would be lower, despite having the same power to bodyweight ratio.

Intuitively, I believe that as well. I just don't know why I do. I catn't put a reason behind it yet.

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i don't really see the point of the article to be honest, if you're going to get a very athletic body composition for sprinting/jumping, fat won't be an issue.. there will be really nothing to spot reduce, it'll be low regardless.

/thread.

Its useful for women who carry a lot of abdominal fat in proportion to elsewhere, i guess. I was more interested in the theory behind it rather than practicality.

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My confusion is that your taking a weightlifting exercise and trying to decide how it will make you jump higher when it doesn't directly measure any jump specific movement... See my remarks about bench press.  Jumping high is based on speed off the ground... That's it.  Squats involve slowing down before you reach this point.  In early November I weighed 225 and squatted 500.  Today I weight about 210 and can squat around 440.  My jump went from high 30s to mid 40s.  Squats simply don't have correlation for most athletes for the question to be meaningful.  It's my opinion and experince of most athletes I work with.  There are exceptions I'm sure.

That reminds me to accelerate through the top of the squat, even if the bar leaves my back for an inch. I've been forgetting to do that. There isn't much of a reason to slow down at the top! Same thing with the bench press.

Personally squats have had an excellent correlation to my DLRVJ. Squatting ~2.-2.1x my bodyweight, I've had a ~37 DLRVJ at bodyweights of 175lbs, 190lbs, and over 200lbs... I have videos on youtube right now of this, as well as journal entries on this site. People on this site have seen my skinny high school 175lb self tomahawking with two hands, and also my fatty self at 210lbs squatting parallel 405x4 nearly hitting my head on the backboard. More recently, I have another 2-hand tomahawk vid at a weight of 192lbs.

My RVJ has always had a very strong correlation to my squat:bw ratio provided my movement efficiency didn't go to shit. I get that back quickly though (also noted in my journals). It's why I have such a hard on for getting to a 2.25x bw squat right now. It seems due to the way I'm built/structured, increasing my relative strength while maintaining sufficient movement efficiency (read: bball a couple times a week, pepper in some dunks) is the fastest way to increase my RVJ.

I think I went off topic here. Anyway, I want to comment on this:

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Jumping high is based on speed off the ground... That's it.

100% correct. Your velocity as soon as your toes come off the ground is what dictates your vert. What I'm interested in knowing is from a purely physics standpoint now, is if 400units of force for 200units of bodyweight accelerates you at the same rate as 300units of force for 150units of bodyweight. I believe the answer is yes. (edit: fwiw this calculator here says so as well http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/verticaljumpcalculator.html)

Next question to ask is what a ROFD curve would look like for both people. Perhaps your CNS may have a better ROFD curve in the higher bodyweight scenario because it's more accustomed to lifting heavier absolute weights. I know that there are other factors in play, though. Like ones that Raptor mentioned in his post.

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Here's a question for Dreyth.  I don't know your numbers exactly so excuse me if I underestimate but let's assume your 200lb and squat 400.  Would you trade 50lbs for 100lbs.  So you now weigh 250 and squat 500...   I'm gonna bet you won't.  That's probably the  best answer to your question...

I don't want to weigh 250.

If you give me the choice between 200/400 and 175/350, I'm picking the former. Will either one make me jump higher? Not sure. That's what me and raptor are talking about. Not sure what you're so confused about to be honest; me and raptor seem to understand each other just fine

Well are you holding vertical jump equal then?  If so the answer is the same.

No, we are testing for vertical jump. What we're wondering is the following: if my relative strength is 100% equal on all lifts at a bodyweight of 150 and 200, at which weight would I jump higher? But more importantly, WHY?

Raptor brought up some great points about that. We didn't exactly control for everything since we both agreed that calf strength won't increase as fast as squat strength, meaning calf relative strength will probably be stronger at 150bw verses 200 bw.

But it's still something to think about because we probably will be at a crossroads at some point in our training where we wonder: should I drop 10lbs even if my relative strength will stay the same? Will it lead to a higher vertical? If it doesn't then i wouldn't do it. Kingfish may be coming close to that crossroad sooner or later. Perhaps after a certain point, he physically can't get stronger without adding mass, but the amount of mass needed to add for a given increase in squat will be equal to the ratio of his squat:bw already.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: April 20, 2016, 05:53:03 pm »
Week 108
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Wednesday - 04/12/16

-= Study Log =-

Mike Myers Network+ Exam Guide

FlashCards Deluxe - Chapter Notes

FlashCards Deluxe - Quiz Questions
Learned 145 of 283 cards

FlashCards Deluxe - Brain Dump
Created deck (306 cards)

I plan to read two chapters since I'm not lifting today. Completed turning a couple of brain dumps into flash cards on my phone. I plan to take the exam on May 7th. Should be done with readings in a week, then I have a week of re-reading notes, studying what I know the least, watching vids on what I know the least, and memorizing the brain dumps.

edit: didn't finish the chapter but i will tomorrow morning

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And it's even trickier than that - we are looking at squatting here. But usually we increase our squat and bodyweight (say we keep the same ratio) but the calves don't get that much stronger. And then the calves, which don't grow as fast/strong, remain behind with the squat going up. That changes the mechanics/overloading of the jump, making the quads do the breaking more, which makes you more quad-bound, which makes you increase the knee bend more, deactivates the hamstrings more, the angles are different and on and on and on.

So it's more complicated than simple numbers here.

I was going to mention that. I think it's one of the main reasons a SLRVJ at 175lb bw and 2xbw squat is likely going to be higher than a SLRVJ at 200lb bw and 2xbw squat -- the SLRVJ is more dependent on calf strength than DLRVJ, especially since all the loading is done on one calf and not two. The calves do not necessarily increase in strength as fast as the rest of the musculature, and therefore will not be able to handle all the extra bodyweight.

Your comments on the connective tissues and all that are spot on as well. Same with the CNS. I'm not sure if the same would apply as much for a SVJ though, but definitely for RVJs.

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This discussion makes me wonder about a hypothetical scenario:

- Athlete weighs 200lbs, squats 2x bw
- Athlete cuts down weight
- Athlete weighs 175lbs, squats 2x bw still

How would his DLRVJ, SLRVJ, and SVJ been affected, assuming all other factors were held constant?

depends.

Yeah. But on what? And why?

i wish i knew some programming so i could make a simulation showing exactly how high someone would jump with factors like force output, ROFD, GCT, and bodyweight. that should tell me a lot. i wonder how they all come into play with each other. an automated force curve graph would be awesome too.

Those factors are inter-related so it confuses things. You see a lot of the highest jumpers have low GCT, so you might think "lower GCT = better." Well, not necessarily. For example... low GCT may be a byproduct of high ROFD. But what if we could keep the same force curve (and ROFD) but increase the GCT. that would mean a higher vertical since we are achieving higher peak velocities ala kingfish style! a ha!

But then there's the issue that a longer GCT (via deeper knee bend) could put someone in a less than advantageous position to jump higher because they can produce force faster by having the reversal come earlier (ala many jumpers not like kingfish). In that case, high ROFD is in a roundabout way a byproduct GCT!

edit: the above would be best for looking at the SVJ

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This discussion makes me wonder about a hypothetical scenario:

- Athlete weighs 200lbs, squats 2x bw
- Athlete cuts down weight
- Athlete weighs 175lbs, squats 2x bw still

How would his DLRVJ, SLRVJ, and SVJ been affected, assuming all other factors were held constant?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Dreyth's New Journal
« on: April 19, 2016, 03:59:13 pm »
Week 108
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Tuesday - 04/19/16

-= Study Log =-

Mike Myers Network+ Exam Guide
Finished Chapter 13 of 21

FlashCards Deluxe - Chapter Notes
Chapter 13 notes done (22 cards)

FlashCards Deluxe - Quiz Questions
Learned 129 of 283 cards

Will lift and update later. De-load today.

Edit: didn't lift. too lazy. it was a de-load anyway so not so bad. i regret it though. also feeling sick.

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go for 48"

lifetime achievement right there

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