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So your squat is pretty much 3x, but your VJ is ~34. It would be interesting to see what's your vert when you're fully recovered... any idea when that's possible? You seem to be loaded a lot with training lately.

Well my point was it's still muscle-dependent and not tendon dependent. Tendon stiffness comes into play only if you have the strength to make that happen. And I still feel it's not a tendon matter but a muscular one, as the MUSCLES will be able to generate more power sensing you're "heavier" because of the acceleration to the ground.

So it comes down to the muscle and not the tendon.

What's your VJ at this point?

We always hear about the reactive effect as being a spring like movement etc, but let's talk about a countermovement jump vs a paused jump. A countermovement jump will usually be higher.

In my opinion, the only real difference is not a spring like effect of any kind, the only difference in reality is the fact that the muscles get loaded more because the body weight increases as you lower and stop yourself from lowering.

The same thing occurs in a high vs even higher speed plant. The faster you go, the more strength you need to amortizate your body because your bodyweight * acceleration (plant speed) = the total amount of weight that needs to be amortizated. And if you can take in that weight, the muscles (previously enabled eccentrically to stop you from crushing into the ground) remain activated for the concentric part of the movement too, if it's done quickly.

I think that's all there is to it in reality. I keep on hearing about all this "spring" thing and I think that's erroneous and makes people fail to understand the real thing that is going on.

Now the only counter-example to this is the Olympic lifter that jumps a lot from a standstill and sucks coming off a run. I think in that situation it's a matter of technique (where technique = failing to understand/apply the proper body position to produce the maximum amount of force, and to be the most easy to amortizate, from). Also, the adaptations over time for the O-Lifters require them to generate "standstill" acceleration from a horizontally neutral position, hence their preferred "stopped" position for developing power.

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Quote from: Raptor on February 28, 2011, 05:45:59 pm

I feel like I want to kiss adistarhj. Is that wrong? Illegal, yes, I know, but wrong?

Quote from: Raptor on March 01, 2011, 01:03:57 pm

So you think she's a child? She seems "mature enough" to me. I don't think chronological age is THAT important. It's what's behind the carcass that's important. Whatever, getting into philosophy again.

keep attacking the U.S. bro, good shit.

You need to learn some humor, mister.

Quote from: Raptor on April 03, 2011, 01:31:36 pm

No, not really. One of the best things you can do for your jumping is to jump maximally all the time when you play... you start to "expect" jumping maximally and becomes more or less 2nd nature. At least, I think so. Because I'm too lazy to do it.

We are not saying not to jump maximally, just pick and choose the times, and pay attention to where you are when you do, where you will land.  Youre an idiot if you are playing a lot of basketball and dont acknowledge the risk of coming down on someones foot when jumping in GAME SITUATIONS, no matter how healthy and strong your ankles are, you come down on someones foot from a high enough level and its game over for you.  Bye bye training gains that you worked so hard for, bye bye season, and sometimes this can cost you your spot on the team.

 Test your ingenious theory out, go play 3-4 hours a day of competitive basketball, GO FUCKING NUTS jumping, as soon as you see a crowd under the rim, take off from outside the paint and just launch yourself into the lane.  Dont worry about where you land because you have good structure and mobility of the ankles.  When a shot goes up, JUMP MAXIMALLY STRAIGHT UP IN THE AIR, stand as close as possible to all the others standing in the lane when you do it, again, dont worry about where you land due to your advanced ankle structure/mobility.  Come back to this thread in a month or so and report how it went.

Haha, sorry, but can't do. Heck, I look at the ground when I jump alone on the court, let alone in traffic. Hence I turn into a jumpshooter when I play ball, and I think that's a smart thing to do.

There are crazy people that penetrate a lot, jump a lot, get injured a lot, and then complain about their injuries.

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