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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: August 11, 2016, 12:02:59 am »

Long distance running involves maintaining a speed through moderate aerobic respiration - when we play sports we either recovery with massively inefficient breathes or we sprint...  Yes there is an intersection between anerobic and aerobic - but people who play team sports NEVER experience it and for good reason...  If you have ever ran the 400m you know what it feels like to add H+ to lactate (ie ask for a lot out of your aerobic system after you taxed your anaerobic system)... It's complete shutdown and an inability to do anything...  People who play team sports do not do this and for good reason...

I feel like this happens pretty frequently in frisbee. So-called "marathon points" that can last 10+ minutes where a lot of it is submax running followed by sprinting followed by more low intensity sort of running. If I play defense I can't help it if my defender starts variations jogging and cutting continuously. The times I get beat are exactly the sort of situation you mentioned.

So one solution is not to get to that point - know my anaerobic system limits. But the aerobic system takes a lot of consistent training to develop.

Tbh aerobic training is pretty boring and I dislike doing it

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: August 10, 2016, 11:05:44 pm »
So to peak for sectionals that sounds like a good workout to use. This is the perfect time too, intervals offer reliable gains in the short term.

I dunno about long distances being ineffective. It makes sense to me that if you do 30 min +of nonstop running your body would adjust in different ways than if you ran intervals. For example lung efficiency and muscle capillarization are qualities that I have heard get much more developed with long distance running. Feel free to disagree, the source on most of this is body recomp articles that might have been unreliable

It does kind of suck that prolonged aerobic training will drain speed if you don't up your speed training. That's probably my main concern

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Sports Discussion / Re: 2016 Rio Olympics - open thread
« on: August 10, 2016, 09:48:05 pm »
judo is so intense. watching the 56kg men and 66kg women this morning, makes me want to try it.

I did judo for like 6 years when I was a kid. I was thinking about doing it in the fall to improve my balance, fitness and play more physically. Some of the throws you can do are pretty intense. The ground game is kind of like wrestling with armbars and chokes and pins.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: August 10, 2016, 05:29:52 pm »
Haven't done too many starts, but have been trying to use arms more on acceleration. I did feel faster during practice yesterday. I've also been trying to use arms to shift my center of gravity and explode more out of cuts.

8/4
SLRVJ sprint x25
3-step SLRVJ x25 max touch 30"
Right knee feeling a little off
Stretch, core
BP 135 3x5

8/6-8/7 tourney, 6 games 3W3L. Just feel really burned out. Throws looking sloppy esp with sweaty hands and wind. When I sprint a bunch of times consecutively on offense and the disk turnover, I'll just feel fatigued and demotivated to play hard defense.

Should there be specificity when it comes to endurance training for a sport? I feel like I should mix in cutting, shuffling and backpedaling  as endurance training.

It might be a little late for that in the season. I have club sectionals in 3 weeks. I'm thinking I hit some hard intervals to max out my speed endurance and worry about aerobic, speed and strength training during my off-season during the fall/winter. Cutting down to 175 is a priority as is daily throwing (which I've been doing). Definitely keep some low frequency sprints and squats, and moderate frequency jumps, layouts for 3 weeks. I have to be very careful and not get injured.

I don't feel like logging the rest it's just upper body, core and stretches

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I mean if your goal is to dunk I think you should do it right. You can't just do peaking type sessions forever. Put 40lbs on the squat and 50lbs on the deadlift and then come back and do more peaking sessions and just have a bigger strength pool to draw from.

I looked through your log a bit and it's been about a month since you did P-chain strength work (unless your squat is hip dominant). I dunno what your numbers are like but I remember seeing you log 335 DL for reps and 360 1RM squat. IMHO that is not the best ratio to be at. Maybe do some MSEM type stuff with DL or RDL and really get your P-chain firing maximally if you wanna keep doing this peaking thing.

You could also mix it up and try something like banded half squat which has tremendous carryover to DLRVJ. Reading adarq's half squat post has me questioning doing full squats if your goal is DLRVJ.


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: August 03, 2016, 09:27:01 pm »

You DO NOT NEED drive phase to run fast. 

That's said you don't produce enough power for a body lean you have a torso lean which is not useful.  You need to forget about acceleration being a taught skill for now.  Your just not there yet.  You are extremely tight trying to keep your elbow from breaking 90 - it should break 90 especially on a start...  And your taking about 10 steps to cover 10 yards.   Get to a track.  Seven steps to 10 meters.  If you aren't close to there you are under striding severely - you are cause you don't produce power.  All you should think about right now is power.  Alt leg bounding, then speed bounding, then sprinting which shouldn't feel all that different is the path you need to get on...

Thanks! That's really helpful input. I went to the track today and set up some cones 11 yards apart. I'm just about hitting 10m in 7 steps. On the last few reps I stretched it to 11m in 7 steps but I can see from the video that I'm just stretching my last step and the rest of them are definitely short and how grounded I'm staying when I compare it to a video of you running.

I'll try to loosen up the arms a little more, I forgot about that for these 10m runs. I actually had some really intense elbow tightness after the bodybuilding workout I did with a friend a few days ago and I couldn't easily extend the elbow past 135 degrees, so that might be contributing to the elbow tightness you see.

8/2
BW: 188 uh oh

L-SLRVJ:
3-step x10: awful, very very very bad. Probably somewhere in that 15"-20" range
20-30m sprint, some slowed down others full sprint x15: Managed a few 26s!
3-step x25: max touch 28.5"

The sprint SLRVJs are definitely potentiating my vert a lot, glute activation? Or maybe I get a better understanding of the speed I can handle. Anyway I like this for jump sessions, gonna keep doing it. Maybe I can potentiate my DLRVJ with sprinted SLRVJs too.

Club Practice: 30 mins, got rained out

8/3

10m sprints x20: would've done some plyos but didn't have a whole lot of time

League game: 90 mins

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2zItLfGRa8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2zItLfGRa8</a>


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: August 01, 2016, 10:34:29 pm »
7/31

Biking with some intense intervals, Leg stretches, Light plyo's

8/1

Lean-in 3-step acceleration x8
Staggered stance starts x8
Starts out of a pushup position x8
Light sled (40-50lbs) 40y runs x8, heavy sled (220lbs) x1
40-50y sprints x5

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTyIBHyLhOY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTyIBHyLhOY</a>

Noticed my buddy internally rotates his right leg when he runs, where he injured his ACL. I have a similar problem where I sometimes externally rotate my left leg where I have minor impingement, but I haven't noticed it lately. My high school track coach said it's not a huge deal. Some of the starts were definitely faster than others, I'm starting to figure out how acceleration is a taught skill: it seems to be about getting body lean as fast as possible without your first step being too far where your leg absorbs too much impact and puts you off balance. The other extreme would be stepping too close and starting slow because there won't be as much body lean.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: July 31, 2016, 10:29:39 pm »
7/27
Put on some cleats, ran some sprints with the dog. Chased her around doing some lateral agility stuff too. I gotta do this more. A few max effort daily sprints will add up.

nice! that is probably the most fun training.. awesome.

i used to do that with "gizmo" (my 9 lb. silky terrier), back when I was near peak performance. That little dog ended up becoming too fast for me. So fast that I had to stop, because he'd keep trying to mess with me by trying to run outside of the park/area we were in, and get to the street.. so it just became too dangerous.

so funny though that some 9 lb. little dog eventually destroyed me on agility etc.. fwiw though, he's abnormally impressive (athletically) for his breed.

Yeah I have a husky. You always have to keep that breed of dog on a leash because they run away if you don't use one. Having to hold a leash is probably making my sprint sessions ineffective lol.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: July 31, 2016, 12:46:48 pm »
7/29
Did some sprints with the dog. Planned a sprinting session with a buddy on Monday so I should have video then.

So this dude from Ukraine has been living with my family for a few weeks. He worked as a trainer in Ukraine so we finally got around to working out, we did a bodybuilding style workout, hitting 3 exercises - shoulders, 2 exercises - triceps, 3 exercises - forearms.

He was telling me all this stuff about buying isolated amino acids, mixing them and taking them at strict time intervals to maximize gains. Also he recommended biotech anadrol, supposedly the closest thing to a legal steroid.

7/30
Squats: 255 x5, 265 4x5, 265 1x4, fail
RDL: 185 2x8, 205 x8, 215 x8,15

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: July 29, 2016, 12:17:33 am »
7/27
League game: 90 mins
Put on some cleats, ran some sprints with the dog. Chased her around doing some lateral agility stuff too. I gotta do this more. A few max effort daily sprints will add up.

7/28
Tennis: 90 mins
BSS: worked up to 50lb dumbbells x8. 50lbs is fairly easy on my right leg, but really bothers my groin on the left. I used to not even be able to do BW BSS on my left leg though so this is definitely improvement.
Misc leg stretching : 20 mins

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: July 26, 2016, 11:33:41 pm »
Been flaking on everything except league games and practices lately (which are 3x week). Sprained my ankle last week, feeling better this week.
I've been getting up unusually high off SLRVJ's in-game though. I attribute this almost entirely to my last SLRVJ session where I started with a whole bunch of SLRVJ's out of a sprint. Definitely want to experiment more with that.



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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: July 19, 2016, 11:15:21 pm »
Just hit a 3-step L-SLRVJ  :personal-record: of 31", previous best 27.5"!!!!! Just completely ridiculous. Also 2" higher than my 3-step R-SLRVJ PR. WHAT.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87STQIKA8ZA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87STQIKA8ZA</a>

BW: 184

possible reasons for this PR:
-started session with 20-30 SLRVJ's out of a 30m sprint, hitting 20"-25" on most of these jumps. The 25"s I slowed down a lot for.
-jumping barefoot, first time jumping barefoot with SLRVJ
-starting in athletic position, letting my body fall forward like a sprinting drill

Seriously. What the fuck.

About core training, any thoughts on anti-rotation exercises? I notice my torso rotates considerably when I run.

Do you play frisbee in cleats?  Do you need to be able to jump in cleats? 

Do you have a video of yourself running?  We have hijacked the hell out of your journal discussing core exercises! 

Best anti rotation exercise is running curves. 

I do play in cleats and I should probably be doing my jump training in cleats

I'll get a running video up soon and I did ask for core exercise suggestions so I appreciate the discussion.

By running curves do you mean on a track or just any sort of rounded cutting type of stuff?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: July 19, 2016, 06:02:30 pm »
Just hit a 3-step L-SLRVJ  :personal-record: of 31", previous best 27.5"!!!!! Just completely ridiculous. Also 2" higher than my 3-step R-SLRVJ PR. WHAT.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87STQIKA8ZA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87STQIKA8ZA</a>

BW: 184

possible reasons for this PR:
-started session with 20-30 SLRVJ's out of a 30m sprint, hitting 20"-25" on most of these jumps. The 25"s I slowed down a lot for.
-jumping barefoot, first time jumping barefoot with SLRVJ
-starting in athletic position, letting my body fall forward like a sprinting drill

Seriously. What the fuck.

About core training, any thoughts on anti-rotation exercises? I notice my torso rotates considerably when I run.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: July 18, 2016, 11:12:21 pm »
^^
I'll get on it

Tourney didn't go great. We went 1:5 W:L. During our 2nd game, we came really close to upsetting the 4th seed (out of 20), a team I got cut from. After that, or team seemed to just not care and proceeded to get railed. Our offensive scheme has little organization and is the root of our problems, and our team constantly gets beaten in the air (although I didn't personally).

I played pretty consistent throughout, went for 8 layout D's, only ended up getting 1 of them. 3 were really close. Otherwise not much to report.
Things to improve
1.Throws need lots of work.
2.Being able to jump better out of a sprint would be very helpful. Being more bouncy in general
3.Quicker first 3 steps
4.Better awareness to get poach blocks on defense. But then I'm usually covering the best cutter on the other team so maybe it's not really an issue of awareness.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: FP's log
« on: July 14, 2016, 09:42:48 pm »
So I got video of some more indoor jumps and I'm definitely getting a pretty significant push off the wall.. So my indoor jumping numbers were wrong from the beginning. My 3-step PR of 35.5" was on a BBall court so that still stands.

Since the last update I've had 2 quick squat sessions, 2 league games and 2 DLRVJ sessions. Managed repeatable 34's outdoors today, so hopefully if I squat consistently working up to singles, throw in some depth jumps and more serious glute work I'll hit a PR pretty soon. Additionally I really need to do sprints and core work but I still don't know what makes up a good core workout that will carry over to jumps/change of direction/speed. Before I used to do weighted plank variations but I'm not sure they are effective :/

I have a 2 day tourney this weekend so I'll do some throwing, depth jumps and short sprints tomorrow to prepare

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