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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Trained lifters are primarily stronger due to muscularity not neural adaptations
« on: March 17, 2022, 04:32:53 pm »
This is a good read and an interesting approach to study, using Iso's. Knowing that discharge rates and mu amount recruitment doesnt change between trained and untrained lifters is so theoretically helpful, knowing that those are not qualities that are being developed. It sucks they cant use dynamic movements though, not sure if its a good idea to try to argue that dynamic movements work the same way, that would be interesting to know
But i want to add on a point (that doesnt contradict the study in any way), and i suppose its pretty well known, that during dynamic movements, the GTO is super overprotective and limits force output to 40% or less. (I learned this from Triphasic Training) And training over long periods improves this quality. I suppose that would be part of the movement skill. I dont know how much thats a factor for less complex movements.But I guess through this you could argue that movement skill and neural factors are inseparably linked for most activities.
So when they say:
Also theres sarcoplamic (or sarcomere? I dont remember) hypertrophy to account for where some types of training add functionless mass (I learned this from skimming Supertraining). So those ratios could be a little different if one could account for that but since they have like 30 people involved maybe this has less of an effect because for some or most of them thats less of an influence.
But i want to add on a point (that doesnt contradict the study in any way), and i suppose its pretty well known, that during dynamic movements, the GTO is super overprotective and limits force output to 40% or less. (I learned this from Triphasic Training) And training over long periods improves this quality. I suppose that would be part of the movement skill. I dont know how much thats a factor for less complex movements.But I guess through this you could argue that movement skill and neural factors are inseparably linked for most activities.
So when they say:
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All of that strongly suggests that resistance training doesn't improve your ability to recruit motor units, achieve higher motor unit discharge rates, or squeeze more force out of your muscles per unit of motor drive in a general sensI guess it depends how you interpret that, but what worries me is the way it is worded people might draw more extreme conclusions not taking that GTO factor into account and might choose to do BB instead of PL. Like basically in terms of practical conclusions, I dont see how this study should affect anything.
Also theres sarcoplamic (or sarcomere? I dont remember) hypertrophy to account for where some types of training add functionless mass (I learned this from skimming Supertraining). So those ratios could be a little different if one could account for that but since they have like 30 people involved maybe this has less of an effect because for some or most of them thats less of an influence.
Tough luck
i need to get better at humility and following directions. I already know i can creatively break the rules,have fun, get decent results and interesting insights, now its time to try sticking to the rules