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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: Body Fat Caliper Testing on Yourself
« on: April 05, 2012, 08:36:04 am »
Quote from: D4 on April 05, 2012, 08:21:33 am
Quote from: Harvey M. on April 05, 2012, 08:08:19 am
Quote from: LanceSTS on April 05, 2012, 02:43:54 am
Quote from: Harvey M. on April 05, 2012, 01:19:27 am
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Is it hard to do the test on yourself?  

No, it's easy.


  You know this from your extensive experience right?  Youve tested so many athletes and had your results checked against other professionals in the field and the standards.  

  Its a good idea for you to stop talking so much and read more, train for a few years.  Even complete a program or two.  Then come around and hash out all this knowledge you have.



He asked if it's easy to test on yourself. I've tested it on myself before and in fact I do it regularly. So yes, from extensive experience. No I don't need to check whether professionals find testing themselves easy.

Just because you tested it on yourself easily, doesn't mean you're getting accurate results.....

Lance asked if you compared your results with other professionals to see if you're getting accurate results, not if professionals find it easy...

Basic English man...

Seriously, this is like the 21978th time you failed to comprehend another persons argument...  To top it all off, you're someone with very little knowledge in training/diet/etc... and lately you're going HAM on this forum as if you're Adarq's replacement..  Just stop please.  For everyone and especially new people on this forum's sakes, who might not know any better than to listen to you.

Your question was, is it hard to do on yourself. My answer was simple.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Really Good Video - Common Vertical Jump Training Errors
« on: April 05, 2012, 08:10:33 am »
Quote from: vag on April 05, 2012, 04:45:49 am
1) Press play
2) Watch first seconds of the video , see "not enough time spent on vertical jump technique"
3) Stope watching worthless video.

Now besides irony, if anyone really wants to know what are the biggest mistakes in vert training , this is the article:

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/vjmistakes.html

And right after , you will be asking "ok , so what should i do?"

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/verticaljumpfaq.html

/thread

You would be surprised how many people don't know how to jump. People who've played basketball for years think they know what they're doing when they have no biomechanical insight to the jump. Get over yourself.

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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: Body Fat Caliper Testing on Yourself
« on: April 05, 2012, 08:08:19 am »
Quote from: LanceSTS on April 05, 2012, 02:43:54 am
Quote from: Harvey M. on April 05, 2012, 01:19:27 am
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Is it hard to do the test on yourself? 

No, it's easy.


  You know this from your extensive experience right?  Youve tested so many athletes and had your results checked against other professionals in the field and the standards. 

  Its a good idea for you to stop talking so much and read more, train for a few years.  Even complete a program or two.  Then come around and hash out all this knowledge you have.



He asked if it's easy to test on yourself. I've tested it on myself before and in fact I do it regularly. So yes, from extensive experience. No I don't need to check whether professionals find testing themselves easy.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Importance of Low Body Fat Percentage When Jumping
« on: April 05, 2012, 01:23:20 am »
Quote from: D4 on April 05, 2012, 01:16:24 am
Harvey, it seems like you're trying to find an excuse to not squat and strength train, when you are obviously not strong.  You just want an excuse to jump and diet to look good.  Maybe I'm wrong, but you'd definitely benefit from focusing on strength training while still jumping 1-3x a week.

It's just because recently I've been doing a lot of squat/DL work with minimal jump work and saw virtually no VJ results. Yeah, I got stronger, but that's not what I'm after at the end of the day. I can't afford to squat for months on end with no VJ improvement. From what I've noticed, more plyometrics AS WELL AS squatting regularly will get me the results as well as some strength gains.

Currently, I'm planning on doing this:

No. Plyo Sessions   4
No. Strength Sessions   3
No. Power Sessions   1
No. Core Sessions   3
No. Flexibility Sessions   6
No. Recovery Sessions   6

I don't want an excuse to jump. I don't care how I look. The low BFP simply was common in virtually all good jumpers. Looks is a bonus. If jumping and losing fat is going to get me results now, then that's what I'm after.

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Nutrition & Supplementation / Re: Body Fat Caliper Testing on Yourself
« on: April 05, 2012, 01:19:27 am »
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Is it hard to do the test on yourself? 

No, it's easy.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Importance of Low Body Fat Percentage When Jumping
« on: April 04, 2012, 11:54:26 pm »
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Same guy at 200 lbs and 400 lbs squat with 15% bodyfat (less lean body mass but more powerful neural signals)
Same guy at 200 lbs and 400 lbs squat with 10% bodyfat (more lean body mass but less powerful neural signals)

At the end of the day, I'm putting money on the latter being able to jump higher. Firstly, you said it's the same guy so how could he have different neural signals? But let's go with the fact they do have different NS. There's no real information supporting the difference in jump height when looking at neural signal strength. The solid information is that these people are equally as strong and one has less fat and is therefore lighter and will produce more power for body weight.

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If you weren't heavily concerned about your abs you would aim to optimize the ES/BW ratio slowly and steadily over time, regardless of which body composition comes along in the process.

It's not about looks at all. It's about what will get me jumping higher, quicker. Right now I'm about 12% BFP and not very strong. I believe if I were to get down to 8% BFP and get a little stronger by the end of the year, I'd be jumping higher than if I were 12% BFP and considerably stronger.

On a side note, as a volleyballer there's something I've noticed recently. After a tournament (3+ days), EVERYONE jumps higher. Last time I got a PR running vertical was directly after a 7 day volleyball tournament (involving lots of jumping). Last night I went back to the gym after several weeks off weight training due to being at a tournament. I was able to jump a near PR (higher than I was prior to the tournament anyway). What does this tell us? The focus needs to be less weight-related and more jump-orientated, I think.

I don't think doing plyometrics 24/7 is going to be a lasting training regime and one will plateau, but I think people are too concerned with strength gains and don't focus on jumping enough. Completely off-topic, I know.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Importance of Low Body Fat Percentage When Jumping
« on: April 04, 2012, 01:13:42 am »
Quote from: D4 on April 04, 2012, 01:08:51 am
Quote from: Harvey M. on April 04, 2012, 12:41:19 am
Quote from: D4 on April 04, 2012, 12:20:15 am
Quote from: Harvey M. on April 03, 2012, 11:47:13 pm
Quote from: steven-miller on April 03, 2012, 05:23:55 pm
irrational fear of putting on useful body mass.

That's just it. Fat isn't useful body mass. Is there any way we can increase strength/power/elasticity and remove body fat efficiently?


Remove fat = change your diet

Increase strength/power/elasticity = train

Obviously while doing the former, the latter will slow down, or get weaker, all depending on your current levels of body composition and strength and training history...

You can improve both at the same time, depending on your current levels if you eat right and get your macro ratios on target.

That's what I wanted to hear. Would you recommend doing so or taking the easy option?

Would I recommend doing what?  And whats the easy option..?  Be more clear.

Trying to lose fat and gain muscle/strength/etc. Or 'easy way' being disregard losing fat and focus more on muscle/strength/etc.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Importance of Low Body Fat Percentage When Jumping
« on: April 04, 2012, 12:41:19 am »
Quote from: D4 on April 04, 2012, 12:20:15 am
Quote from: Harvey M. on April 03, 2012, 11:47:13 pm
Quote from: steven-miller on April 03, 2012, 05:23:55 pm
irrational fear of putting on useful body mass.

That's just it. Fat isn't useful body mass. Is there any way we can increase strength/power/elasticity and remove body fat efficiently?


Remove fat = change your diet

Increase strength/power/elasticity = train

Obviously while doing the former, the latter will slow down, or get weaker, all depending on your current levels of body composition and strength and training history...

You can improve both at the same time, depending on your current levels if you eat right and get your macro ratios on target.

That's what I wanted to hear. Would you recommend doing so or taking the easy option?

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: is my 36.9 standing vert legit ??
« on: April 03, 2012, 11:59:36 pm »
Just find a vertec dude.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Importance of Low Body Fat Percentage When Jumping
« on: April 03, 2012, 11:47:13 pm »
Quote from: steven-miller on April 03, 2012, 05:23:55 pm
irrational fear of putting on useful body mass.

That's just it. Fat isn't useful body mass. Is there any way we can increase strength/power/elasticity and remove body fat efficiently?

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Article & Video Discussion / Really Good Video - Common Vertical Jump Training Errors
« on: April 03, 2012, 05:53:05 am »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy1lsMTxPlU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy1lsMTxPlU</a>

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Importance of Low Body Fat Percentage When Jumping
« on: April 03, 2012, 05:47:12 am »
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I think single leg jumpers should pursue single digit BF% well before 2xBW.

Why.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / 2012 Goals & General Plan
« on: April 03, 2012, 05:31:20 am »

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Importance of Low Body Fat Percentage When Jumping
« on: April 03, 2012, 05:27:09 am »
The whole fucking thread is about "IMPORTANCE OF LOW BODY FAT PERCENTAGE". What the fuck are you on about? I made one example about someone who HAS LESS FAT than I do being able to jump higher than me. Yeah, sure, we can talk about him being more reactively equipped but it's highly likely that he gets up higher because he's relatively strong and WEIGHTS 8 KILOGRAMS LESS THAN ME. Of those 8kg, probably half of them will be fat.

Fat, fat, fat. Leonel Marshall had no fat. Michael Jordan had no fat. Kadour Ziani has no fat.

All anyone ever talks about is relative power. RELATIVE power is POWER RELATIVE TO BODY WEIGHT. BODY WEIGHT is muscle vs FAT.

I'm trying to steer away from the relative power/strength/lifting bullshit for a change and talk about fat. And yet you're bringing up something completely different and saying that I'm not talking about fat.

So let me ask you this, do you think jumping athletes focus enough on fat reduction? Do you think there should be more emphasis on fat reduction?

For the thread's sake, please don't go on about relative power.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Importance of Low Body Fat Percentage When Jumping
« on: April 03, 2012, 05:12:48 am »
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"the lighter you are, the higher you're going to jump?"  WTF does that even mean?

Obviously I'm talking proportionally to yourself. One day I'm 100kg, next day I'm 95kg. If I lost 5kg of fat, I'm going to jump higher. Therefore I'm lighter and will jump higher.

The toughest thing for athletes is losing fat and gaining strength/muscle. This is actually something I'm going to be doing this year. I don't believe it's beneficial to bulk/cut for what I'm after, so I'm going to have to adjust my diet accordingly to support both sides.

I'm personally going for 8-9% BFP as well as strength/muscle gains.

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