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Basketball / Re: A WHOLE BUNCH OF DUNKS AND SHIT.
« on: July 06, 2014, 09:27:11 pm »
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PR Nation!

Haha well I'm getting some nice newbie gains on a lot of things, BW rep stuff especially. So I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

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are the SL bounds with a run-up or from a standing start/false step?

Standing start. Give it a go!

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So you still planning on roiding up? That discussion kinda got lost in the recent site upgrade and you haven't mentioned it since.

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Well I lost the last two weeks of training. It was pretty good. Anyway, this week is another test week. I'll keep updating this post with results:

SUN - SVJ, pullups, dips, pass/fail core tests

I did some SVJs beforehand on 10', but nothing really to report, all around 32-33''. So no improvement really but I wasn't expecting much with nearly 2 months out of the gym. I didn't do RVJs because I got booted out early but I doubt they would be much atm.

Pullups -  previous: 16; today: 18 (+2)  these are all lifetime bests so pulling out the :personal-record: icon for the first time in awhile

Dips - previous: 26; today: 30 (+4:personal-record:

Passed all the core tests (50 situps with 6kg ball and a few other easy ones)

TUES: run for distance and ring chinups

30 sec run for distance - previous: 229m; today: 236m (+7m)  :personal-record:

Ring chinups - previous: 16; today: 17 (+1)  :personal-record:

LRLRL x 10 - previous: 26.78m; today: 27.80m (+1.02m)  :personal-record:

Bounds felt really good today. The coach said my hangtime was way better and looked smoother.

WED: horizontal jumps and pushups

Broad jump: previous: 2.86m; today: 2.88-2.90m (+2-4cm)

Five consecutive DL bounds: previous: 14.78m; today: 13.78m (-1m)

Standing triple: previous: 7.78 (L), 7.66 (R); today: 8.08(L) (+30cm), 8.04(R) (+38cm)  :personal-record:

Parallel bar pushups: previous: 31; today: 41 (+10)

Mixed results. I got a bit further in the broad jump (measured at 2.88m but the girl measuring the tape was new and she definitely cheated me a few cm with her marker placement) and standing triple. But OMFG I messed up the 5 DL bounds bad. I had two attempts and both times I started over-rotating forward and completely lost it. I was trying way too hard to be quick off the ground and my legs just couldn't stay under me. Really crap. Oh well.

THURS - 800m time trial

800m - previous: 2m35s; today: 2m31s (-4s)  :personal-record:

Surprise test: 5xSL bounds - 12.85m (L), 12.95m(R)

Pretty happy with the run as there was only two of us at training, the other was a girl who was a fair way back so I was running by myself. The jumps were pretty good I guess, I can't believe how much better I've got at this stuff compared to a couple of years ago. I remember I could barely do right leg SL bounds at all, now I'm getting as far as my stronger leg.

Overall a pretty good test week, made some good gains. Of course, I'm not expecting massive improvement every time but if I can stay consistent and injury-free I'll definitely be in a better place athletically to get my vertical up again.

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 :uhcomeon:

They don't look too bad to me. The next step is to actually start covering more ground with each bound. If you can start hitting the ground with more force and extend the hang time you'll be closer to getting what you want out of the exercise I guess. Right now you're jumping, what, maybe 2m per bound? Hard to tell but you could maybe do a 10 bound test from a standing start. Apparently 25m+/27.5y is quite good. Again, this is all just regurgitated from the coaches in my squad so take it however you want.

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Your coach sounds awesome.
My coach is kind of like that but he's really dedicated to the 'professional' scene since he won the Bay Sheffield. Basically his son sprints (and also won the Bay Sheff) so he's there to coach his son. But because he's soo into the 'professional' scene he wanted to start a squad so he's happy to train pretty much anyone as long as they train at the same time as his son.
I didn't really appreciate the coaching until I went to Sydney. Training with a group and with having a coach that knows their stuff is heaps motivational. Since your coach used to train the Australian team I'd say he'd definitely know his stuff better than most.

Oh yeah I forgot you were already doing post grad study ages ago. Have you got your masters now?

Yeah I got my Masters a few years ago now, got a job out of it as a research asst in another lab with the intent of doing a PhD there, but they realised in October when grants were handed out that they didn't have money and didn't really give me enough time to organise anything. But luckily I scrambled my way into another lab with a shitload of money, worked there last year and was finally able to start this year. So my main motivator to get it done and not let it drag on is to make up for the time/earnings I've lost.

rad man, that's good work. godspeed with the PhD.

Thanks mate, gives me something to do when I'm not thinking about/doing training! Haha.

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multiple sclerosis?

Yep.

Congrats on the PhD.
What are you studying it on?

Thanks mate, I started it ages ago now but I realised I hadn't even mentioned it. I'm in MS research.

Ankle weights? Why not a weight vest?

They eventually use them. I think the lightest the coach has is 3kg.

Nice. You're going to be busy for the next 4 years haha.
They're building this massive medical research and science centre in Adelaide so there's definitely going to be a lot of work in the future for your field.

Your clubs started pre-season fairly early. We start mid-July.

Thanks, I'm hoping to get it done in 3 years. I have a bit of a head start because it's all stuff I was doing last year as a research asst. Hopefully some of that new $20b fund comes my way at some point in the future!

Yeah we basically had a week break between summer ending and winter beginning. It's mostly because the coach is retired and basically his whole life is athletics. He doesn't have a wife or kids so he just throws everything into training us. He used to coach the Australian team and even though we're just amateurs he just does the same training he did with them, so its pretty much around the clock all year. For me the winter stuff has been harder than summer training for sure.

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I dont get it. When the chinese coach guy told me to do ankle jumps etc in 2013, LBSS & co said lol wut. And when I asked specifically for advice for improving my athleticism (Jan-April) i got absolutely nothing, even though I was willing to try out anything. But when i decide to get back to what I think I care about (squat goals), suddenly everyone piles up giving their 2c and tell me im going about things the wrong way. So excuse me if i'm a bit annoyed.

don't remember the chinese coach thing but are you fucking serious about january? that's what you remember? there are pages and pages of t0ddday and raptor (and me and vag) trying to suggest things, encourage you to FOLLOW YOUR OWN ADVICE in doing dot drills and line hops and the like, writing out sample programs. go back and look.

I think you're understating it. I went back and read Jan-April and I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that entropy received perhaps the most advice anyone has ever gotten on the forum during this period. He had Raptor, LBSS, vag, T0ddday and myself commenting on all things training and nutrition-related, as well as specialist bball adivsor ChrisM giving him bauss advice on improving his game. I mean, it seemed like every post he made asking questions, there were one or two reply posts from some of the most knowledgeable members on the site.

I just can't believe he thought, at any time, that he got no help from the forum. Crazy.

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Congrats on the PhD.
What are you studying it on?

Thanks mate, I started it ages ago now but I realised I hadn't even mentioned it. I'm in MS research.

Ankle weights? Why not a weight vest?

They eventually use them. I think the lightest the coach has is 3kg.

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Whoa I've gotta update more often...I started my Ph.D in Feb and it's been pretty busy lately with talks etc., and if I'm not working I'm at training! Still, things are going well in both so I guess that's OK.

Into phase two of winter training:

Sat - hills (approx 5% gradient, not sure)

3x30m timed

4x60m timed

2x150m

Sun - courts

1.5hrs of jumps, med ball throws, situps, heaps of skipping, DL/SL bounding work and mobility exercises

Tues - track work

6 sets of weighted (2kg ankle weights) sprint drills (200m/set)

6x80m@90%

Cool-down weights

Wed - fitness circuit

1200m time trial - 6m12s --> big improvement, plus I didn't feel like throwing up afterwards = WIN

3 sets of fitness circuits (60 total pullups)

100s-100j-100s-100j-200s-100j-100s-100j-100s-100j-100s

Thurs - speed endurance

6 sets of ankle weight drills over 200m

6x180m@90%

Cool down weights

I was WRECKED after these three days of training. But in a good way. I really feel I'm getting so much stronger and fitter overall than I ever have been, but haven't been neglecting speed and explosiveness work. My vert is still really good on Sundays.

Sat - hills

3x30m timed, ~4.1sec

6x60m timed, ~8.2sec

2x150m timed, ~21sec

THese are VERY hard to do without grass spikes (12mm). I've been using my old spikes with tiny little stubs and you barely get any traction.

Sun - same as above except didn't do any VJs beforehand.

Training's been hard but really good. Shin splints seem to come and go, they're still very manageable but I guess with so much running and jumping it's hard for them to fully recover. The good thing is you can eat however much you want after training, huge caloric deficit.

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Well IMO that's just a very negative view on your own state of affairs. You might just think it's being realistic but slow clunky people can become fast athletic people with smart training and commitment. I've seen it, others here have seen it, fuck, adarq himself was a slow-twitch long-distance guy before he started training for vert. There's plenty of examples and you haven't really given any convincing reason why you CAN'T be like that as well. Why not just change your journal name to 'chasing kingfish' then?

I'm sure you'll think I'm being naive and you seem pretty set in your opinion on this but there's no logical reason to hold self-limiting beliefs when it comes to athletic training. Every other aspect in life you need to be realistic, but not training. No one is going to laugh at you, you've literally got nothing to lose except realising what your actual potential is. Most people don't even scratch the surface.

 :wowthatwasnutswtf:

i don't do RVJ but that doesn't mean im plyo deficient. i do so many volumes of low-mid intensity jump drills using jump ropes and hurdles. those + the actual SVJ drills.

i consecutive double leg jump 36" hurdles 8-12 in a row. those are my favorite aside from the 2-hand SVJ dunks.

even simple 1-min set of single leg jump rople drill (front to back, and side to side) will get you stiffer in just a couple of weeks of doing them consistently.

strong plyos eventually boost your squat too. :headbang:

Oh, sorry man, I didn't know you still regularly did that stuff. When do you fit it in with your squatting?

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Well IMO that's just a very negative view on your own state of affairs. You might just think it's being realistic but slow clunky people can become fast athletic people with smart training and commitment. I've seen it, others here have seen it, fuck, adarq himself was a slow-twitch long-distance guy before he started training for vert. There's plenty of examples and you haven't really given any convincing reason why you CAN'T be like that as well. Why not just change your journal name to 'chasing kingfish' then?

I'm sure you'll think I'm being naive and you seem pretty set in your opinion on this but there's no logical reason to hold self-limiting beliefs when it comes to athletic training. Every other aspect in life you need to be realistic, but not training. No one is going to laugh at you, you've literally got nothing to lose except realising what your actual potential is. Most people don't even scratch the surface.

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Todday you're right, it's internet wisdom for better or worse. Also if you take anabolics and don't lift, you still gain significant FFM and lose FM. Add weight training to it and you improve gains. It's not a stretch to say training specifically for hypertrophy maximises gains of mass when juicing, hence the BB style training popularised by users.

My argument in light of the above paragraph was just that if you're juicing then it doesn't really matter so much how you train because the effects of the supplements will take place regardless. It's not that you have to train differently when juicing, it's that you don't have to train the same as a natural. If you're natural though you need to train better/harder/whatever you want to call it/ to make gains.

Coges, im really really skeptical of what these guys say/claim regarding reactivity. I don't believe it. IF i was to quantify my belief in it, i'd say maybe they're 2-3% correct. Unless I see proof i'm not going to change my mind, there is a lot of bs info in training, including jump training and otherwise on the internet. My default stance is that it's bs unless i become convinced otherwise. I will be try it out myself at some point, but right now i dont want to waste my time experimenting with something i don't think will be effective. Later on, when i've exhausted gains from squats, i'll give other things a try. But i haven't done that yet. Not really. Until i get back to squatting near 180kg while weighing a lean 85kg, i don't have any reason to try other stuff which will probably do close to nothing. My bias is my bias, i don't make excuses for it, that's how i see it.

OK, so what you're saying from that is:

1. Reactivity can't be trained

2. Squat gains = athletic gains

3. Any other athletic training is only worth doing after achieving 2xBW squat while being lean.

Is that right? You really need to have a working definition of what 'athleticism' is in your opinion in that case, because I think we're all just getting confused. By the way, less than a year of consistent athletic training at nearly 30 might not be long enough to see significant gains. How were you measuring progress? Monthly broad jump, consecutive jumps, running vertical jump tests? Timed 100m runs? What I'm saying is, you can't just say "I didn't feel it made a difference" if you weren't objectively measuring things. Not saying you didn't, just don't remember you posting anything like that.

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Track - test:

800m, dynamic warmup

LRLR x 10: 26.78m, 27.1m something

800m time trial: 2m35s (dead last again  :huh: only by a second this time though)

Cool-down UB/core weights

Bit disappointed with the bounds, I think if I could have done them the previous night when we were planning on doing them I might have done better. The 800m was damn hard, but it is a lifetime PR (lol). If I could get it under 2:30 I'd be happy.

Interesting point on fitness for power/jump athletes. Even though for most of us, cardiovascular power isn't a priority (or done at all), my coach really forces his athletes to reach high fitness standards in the winter; obviously for the performance benefits but more importantly the increased rate of oxygen circulation and transport when resting. He says the guys who are lazy and don't get to at least a 6 min mile level of cardio fitness are also usually the ones who get injured more and take longer to heal over summer.

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